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Erik and Don are joined by Tom Vasel to discuss, among other things, how companies should promote their games.

In the review-a-palooza, Erik and Don review:

Lords of Waterdeep
The Big Bang Theory Party Game
Thunderbolt Apache Leader
Starship Merchants
Empire Express


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Were there any games we mentioned we had played that you'd like for us to review?
 
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Also, from what you know of my game tastes, would I like Lords of Waterdeep?
 
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Walsfeo wrote:
Also, from what you know of my game tastes, would I like Lords of Waterdeep?


I would say no, because you seem to hate everything.

Actually, I think this is a good test: "These cubes represent wizards, clerics, fighters, and rogues." If your response is "okay, what do I use them for?", then I think you would like this game. If your response is "why couldn't they be different shaped meeples?," then I probably would want to slap you, but you might still like it. If your response is, "OMFG, wooden cubes - I hate wooden cubes. This isn't a euro is it?", then don't bother.
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arkayn wrote:
I would say no, because you seem to hate everything.


Hey now! I may be mean, but only when games deserve it. I like good games.

arkayn wrote:
Actually, I think this is a good test: "These cubes represent wizards, clerics, fighters, and rogues." If your response is "okay, what do I use them for?", then I think you would like this game. If your response is "why couldn't they be different shaped meeples?," then I probably would want to slap you, but you might still like it. If your response is, "OMFG, wooden cubes - I hate wooden cubes. This isn't a euro is it?", then don't bother.

Actually, when wooden cubes made their first appearance like back in El Grande, and they only meant one thing, they were cool. As games have evolved and different cubes mean different things, I've become less enamored by them. It's not that they are cubes. If they were colored cardboard chits, or even chits of different color that had the same picture on them, I'd start to feel like someone missed an excellent opportunity for art direction and for communicating information.

I still very much enjoy games like Condottiere and El Grandewhere colored wooden bits are used correctly, but there really are games where cardboard counters or plastic minis are more appropriate.
 
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I find the cubes to be thematic because you're playing a Lord of Waterdeep who doesn't consider those adventurers to be people - they're just resources to be used or disposed of as necessary.

Also, I just don't like plastic minis that much. I'd rather have wood than plastic any day. Also, also... the materials of a game, as long as they're decent quality, really don't affect my enjoyment that much. I can appreciate beautiful components, but I don't get worked up over components that are "too thin" or "too brown" or "just cubes".
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I understand what you mean, but when I consider the quality of components I also tie that to the appropriateness of the bits as well. The less individual identity the bits are supposed to have the more accepting I am of generic.
 
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The trick is how you call the "cubes" so when you do a quest, if you say :

"I pay 3 brown and 1 purple cube" "I take 3 browns", then the game is going to be less thematic, that if you say "I use three warriors and 1 wizard to beat the quest" "I recruit 3 warriors"

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kabutor wrote:
The trick is how you call the "cubes" so when you do a quest, if you say :

"I pay 3 brown and 1 purple cube" "I take 3 browns", then the game is going to be less thematic, that if you say "I use three warriors and 1 wizard to beat the quest" "I recruit 3 warriors"


That doesn't really make the game more thematic... that's more about how much you get into it. People who aren't willing to make the commitment to the theme might still enjoy the game as a light-strategy, medium-tactics euro with elegant mechanics, but I think Donald is one who, if the theme doesn't hit for him is probably not going to like the game. Personally, I can go either way, though I do enjoy the theme of LoW.
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Re: OBG 86: We're All His Vassals
WE love Lords of Waterdeep, and we're not "euro gamers", although we also love Hansa Teutonica.

Also wanted to say that I loved Tom on the show with you two. He actually seemed to mesh really well with you both.
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