236 messages and the thread died. What happened?

What happened with the August 4th auction?

I would like to know too.

I guess we might get to know more next week?

We'll know when pirates! is released.

Hah! Good one.

We await anxiously the results of the auction.

So, is 236 messages the longest thread in BGG?

No. For example, the recent "microbadges" thread has 488 now.

No, occationally werewolf games run into the 2000's. This is the longest one and it ran 3499 posts.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/79907

Ok. It is Monday. What happened Friday?

Possibly the wait is because the bank has one business day to reject even a winning bid, which may mean we'll hear something tomorrow?

That's possible. You're right.

Well its Tuesday now... I still haven't heard anything. The suspense is killing me! Eagle is(was) won of my favorite up-and-coming game companies, I hope whoever bought it will somehow continue to work with Glenn and Keith (although that is probably a long shot.)

Thats probably what Aldie was referring to . . .

Finally we get the whole story.

I wonder why he wouldnt pay the printers for Wits & Wagers.

More likely, he *couldn't* pay if there were cash flow problems. It's an easy trap to fall in to, but almost impossible to get out of, without outside help.

Gavin

This is not the whole story. To be honest, this is just 1 person's viewpoint on what has taken place and I learn more continually (like from an email 5 minutes ago of another party that Eagle owes money to). I should also be clear that this is not an official statement from North Star Games. This is simply my personal opinion.

Eagle did not pay the printers because they were running out of cash. Glenn would have paid his debts if he had the cash to do so. Instead, he had to pick and choose at which were the most important debts to payoff in order to keep the company alive.

My guess would be that they were cash straped. They may have owed the printer money for past products, along with others. The printer decided he could not extend them credit or maybe the printer wanted cash up front. Only the people at Eagle know what happened and what the circumstances were.

I worked for a Paintball store and field several years ago and I know that we owed a paintball manufacturer big bucks. We had to make a deal with them and prepay our order plus some of what we owed to get paintballs. I think that we ended up getting a loan from the store/field owners father to cover our order.

I hope that things work out for everybody involved but in a situtation like this there are bound to be other people and companies that get hurt. The consumers are also hurt because they are deprived of the products that the bankrupt company could have produced.

My kids and I have several Eagle games that we enjoy and hopefully we will be able to enjoy some of the games that they had planned on producing (picked up and made by another company, we hope).

Wanting to much to fast! Glenn should have stuck to what brought him and Eagle initial fame. Big Box Games with great production quality. Then moved a little bit into the computer conversions and others (euro-like). He should have skipped the fads and the great diversity. Time would have brought that. To much to fast!

That would be too much too fast. Yeah, I'm being anal but the correct spelling adds emphasis.

Eagle games really seemed to be getting better and better after many production issues in their earlier games that should have been avoided. I have Bootleggers which I rate as a good game and theme (why haven't I played this much? Too many good games I guess) but having to email them for the card and extra money missing from the box demonstrated a lack of detail(although their reply was swift and top notch). Also the hidden value of the trucks is minorly annoying and something you'd change if you playtested a copy. But their recent releases, from reading the Geek, do not appear to have these issues.

One thing I found interesting was the price of Railroad Tycoon in New Zealand. It was retailing for $90 here while other games with similar production cost well over $100. The distribution deal they had was good for the consumer but didn't work for the bottom line it seems.

I was content to leave this thread alone until I read the lenghty post by Dominic... who seems to have a thing about blaming others for his situation... such as (from his profile):



And...



All I know from your assault on Glenn Drover is that you accuse him of your own lack of business skills. No less than three times you call him dishonest. Even to the the point of blaming Eagle Games for your own business nearing bankruptcy...



And I suppose we are to assume that your version is accurate because of this little bit of underhanded spin-



Bottom line Dom, I don't trust you or your version. I've raised kids and owned businesses that had as many as 60 employees and one thing I know for a fact is that when someone is spreading the mud about someone else to the degree that you did here on BGG, then the only person I am positive is lying is the mudslinger.

Frankly, I don't think we needed to hear all this crap, and crap is what it is. Grow up and deal with what hundreds of thousands of other small businesspeople deal with every day. Shit happens. Some bad, some good. If you're not prepared for the bad, you'll fail. Hell, sometimes you'll fail when you are prepared for the bad stuff. That's life.

This thread is a frickin' idiotic train wreck anyway... a bunch of bloodthirsty rubberneckers standing around and surveying the ruins and counting the bodies and then you come along and declare that it's all "his" fault.

Whatever really happened to Eagle Games it's certainly none of our business to begin with and your little blame game adds nothing but more useless and misleading non-information.

I think Dom's story hold some amount of truth is becuase it is the only version of the story we have. I don't see Glen giving us any info.

Actually Galen, that's not true. Drover posted earlier on this thread and gave a brief overview of the pc game woes and collapse... and he managed to do it without directly blaming anyone else or declaring that it was dishonesty on his business associates part that caused the failure.

Just because this Dominic guy gives a detailed black PR job on another person, it doesn't make his story true. But that is really my point... I don't see the value of any of this and it strikes me as something that isn't anyone's business except the people involved.

One further point, sort of off topic - in my business life I had my share of failures and successes and at no point did I feel obligated to reveal to anyone the reasons for a good or a bad outcome. Even my creditors were given only the information they required to do a risk assessment and that was it.

Actually, I'm sorry now I posted on the thread. It brought it back up to the top page.

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000002G0P.01._AA240_S...

To be accurate Kyle, nowhere did I defend Glenn Drover. Instead I responded to an attack on him by an individual who is angry with him and, in my view, blaming him for all that's gone wrong in his own world.

In addition, I asserted my personal view that dirty laundry such as is between you, Dominic and Glenn is uglier when displayed publically than when it's dealt with quietly and out of view.



BS. Life ain't fair and neither is business. Anytime people decide to strike out on their own and fail at it it's because they screwed up too. Boo-hooing and pointing fingers at "that bad man" on BGG just points up the fact that the accuser should have kept his day job. When you lose your money it is your fault. You're the one who put it there to begin with.



What I find humorous about the internet is how convenient a place it is for people who can't take responsibility for their own errors to talk out of their ass and blame their lot in life on other people.



Here's the deal Kyle - Dominic (who I don't know) calls Glenn (who I don't know) a liar and a dishonest person and blames him for the reason he is now going to go broke. This is a public forum... if someone is going to come on here and start doing a negative spin job on an individual who has been an important fixture in the world this website exists to talk about, then I not only have a right to call BS on his attacks, but to indicate why I suspect they're intended to distract attention away from his personal failure regarding his own business and the reasons the whole house of cards may tumble.... which brings me to:



Simply that experience with people who work together and experience with raising children can give an obaervant individual a sense of who is and isn't lying. Of course, you have to pay attention, if you don't your kids might turn out to be criminals and your business partners could steal all your money.



Sex hasn't been mentioned once here. Unless you're using it as an analogy for enjoying the train wreck as opposed to having a vested interest in the success or failure of publishers in the board gaming industry. Since my history in the broader business of games goes back to the early 1980's and involves publishing, manufacturing and retailing of games I do feel a real connection to the industry that goes beyond being a gamer. It's my personal view that Dominic was out of line and whether what he says is or isn't true it has no value unless viewed in full context. Since I don't expect Glenn to respond it's unlikely any of us here on BGG will see the full context.



I type fast. It takes maybe 10-20 minutes to respond in detail. In addition, I like games as much as you do so my interest in responding to what I view as a one-sided attack on a major figure in our shared realm is not really suprising.



What Dominic described was how pissed off he is at Glenn and then accused him of being a liar and a dishonest person. Whether that's what really happened is, I think, the whole reason I responded... I consider it distasteful and uncivil to attack someone that way on BGG and since it's unlikely we'll all ever know - or really even want to know - the whole story he should have hired an attorney and sued instead of coming here and mewling about how horrible someone else is.

I could be off-base, it's true. Maybe Glenn Drover is a terrible liar, as Dominic claims. I was particularly struck by Dominic's rational that because Drover is a salesman, it follows that lying and deception come easily... as if the only people who are dishonest are sales people. The whole attack he made on Drover reminded me of listening to some sad sack at a bar carrying on about why his wife leaving him, his boss firing him and the police chasing him are everybody elses fault.

If you guys who are affected by Eagle's demise don't want people like me having an opinion about your personal business then my suggestion is to keep it personal and not air it out here on BGG.