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Howdy I'm new here.

Dig the site. Nice resource and even led to a recent purchase of a game I expect to enjoy, mansions of madness. Interesting to see how some of my old games like dark tower rate.

That said, what's with the irrational down rating of everything old or a kids game? Don't get me wrong, I'm not in hurry to run out and play life, or battleship or connect 4. That doesn't make them terrible at what they are designed to do. Yea, I'd rather play leviathans, or android, or game of thrones, or battletech ect. But I'm 35. And it makes no sense to apply the same criteria I would use for a game day with my equally aged friends to a children's game.

No strategy in the game of life, no decision making? No shit Sherlock. It's a kids game. It's purpose was to get us kids sitting at a table or on the floor and not running around breaking things at my grandma's house... Battleship is just a guessing game? Ya don't say... Yea, it's simple. It's supposed to be. It's nothing more than a way to occupy a child for a while, so it doesn't have to be deep. That doesn't make it a bad game. Just not targeted at me anymore. This can't be as hard as it seems for so many here to grasp.

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What is it you think the rankings are supposed to be? They are the amalgamated desire of the people on this site to play that game. Like you, few people here care to play Battleship, hence the low rating. If you browse through various geeklists, you'll find ones dedicated to pointing out good kids games.
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Perhaps you have not met Internet. Internet exists so people in the first world have something to complain about and geeks love to complain. It is best to ignore the ratings here altogether.
Welcome aboard, this site is filled with useful information and helpful members, but like the rest of the Internet some aren't happy unless they are bashing something they don't like. (It's a tribal thing).
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Thanks for the welcome. Looking forward to using the site to expand my gaming horizons.
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Welcome.

You are operating under a popular misconception,namely that the rating should be about how _good_ the games are. They have nothing to do with this. They are explictly only a measure of how much people around here want to play the game, good being defined that way.

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http://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/ratings
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mbosely wrote:
Thanks for the welcome. Looking forward to using the site to expand my gaming horizons.


Welcome. Once you have expanded your horizons a bit more, you may come to see why the games you've mentioned are rated so low by hardcore game enthusiasts. It's because there are tons that are better but sadly most people (especially in the US) haven't heard of them.

Maybe it's easier to think of it like this: Battleship is a "good" game. Small World* is a "super-freaking-awesome-you-haven't-ever-lived-until-you've-played-this" game. It's all relative.

*the name of the game that fits this description will vary depending on who you ask, but that's what we're here for!
 
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lacreighton wrote:
Welcome.

You are operating under a popular misconception,namely that the rating should be about how _good_ the games are. They have nothing to do with this. They are explictly only a measure of how much people around here want to play the game, good being defined that way.

see:
http://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/ratings

I think you are misreading that page. It explicitly says that a 10 is an " outstanding game" 9 is "excellent." The rating system is clearly designed to ellicit an opinion on the "goodness" of games. Even following your line of thinking it is hard to see how someone's desire to play a game isn't linked to their opinion of its quality.
 
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faustulus wrote:
lacreighton wrote:
Welcome.

You are operating under a popular misconception,namely that the rating should be about how _good_ the games are. They have nothing to do with this. They are explictly only a measure of how much people around here want to play the game, good being defined that way.

see:
http://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/ratings

I think you are misreading that page. It explicitly says that a 10 is an " outstanding game" 9 is "excellent." The rating system is clearly designed to ellicit an opinion on the "goodness" of games. Even following your line of thinking it is hard to see how someone's desire to play a game isn't linked to their opinion of its quality.


Actually, firstly they're suggested guidelines not prescriptive definitions, and secondly the guideline for 10 doesn't just say "Outstanding game" it says "Outstanding game. A classic. Always want to play and expect this will never change." where the latter part of the guideline is clearly a clarification of what is meant by the former part.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:
faustulus wrote:
lacreighton wrote:
Welcome.

You are operating under a popular misconception,namely that the rating should be about how _good_ the games are. They have nothing to do with this. They are explictly only a measure of how much people around here want to play the game, good being defined that way.

see:
http://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/ratings

I think you are misreading that page. It explicitly says that a 10 is an " outstanding game" 9 is "excellent." The rating system is clearly designed to ellicit an opinion on the "goodness" of games. Even following your line of thinking it is hard to see how someone's desire to play a game isn't linked to their opinion of its quality.


Actually, firstly they're suggested guidelines not prescriptive definitions, and secondly the guideline for 10 doesn't just say "Outstanding game" it says "Outstanding game. A classic. Always want to play and expect this will never change." where the latter part of the guideline is clearly a clarification of what is meant by the former part.

I understand guidelines are not prescriptive, oddly that is probably why they are called "guidelines". That being said, the rating system is an attempt to create a hierarchy and as such all the entries convey in their primary rating guidance a scale of merit. If it is a clarification then it is defining what makes a game "outstanding" or "A classic" (hopefully we can at least agree that "outstanding" = "good". And as such we return to the point of a rating system, which is to merit system. The term 'rating' itself denotes a creation of value or worth.
The system here is a valuation of games based on member's tastes. And like any such system your tastes may diverge from it. Nothing wrong with it, but to say it isn't an system designed to assign value is a bit suspect.
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Re: New here
faustulus wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
faustulus wrote:
lacreighton wrote:
Welcome.

You are operating under a popular misconception,namely that the rating should be about how _good_ the games are. They have nothing to do with this. They are explictly only a measure of how much people around here want to play the game, good being defined that way.

see:
http://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/ratings

I think you are misreading that page. It explicitly says that a 10 is an " outstanding game" 9 is "excellent." The rating system is clearly designed to ellicit an opinion on the "goodness" of games. Even following your line of thinking it is hard to see how someone's desire to play a game isn't linked to their opinion of its quality.


Actually, firstly they're suggested guidelines not prescriptive definitions, and secondly the guideline for 10 doesn't just say "Outstanding game" it says "Outstanding game. A classic. Always want to play and expect this will never change." where the latter part of the guideline is clearly a clarification of what is meant by the former part.

I understand guidelines are not prescriptive, oddly that is probably why they are called "guidelines". That being said, the rating system is an attempt to create a hierarchy and as such all the entries convey in their primary rating guidance a scale of merit. If it is a clarification then it is defining what makes a game "outstanding" or "A classic" (hopefully we can at least agree that "outstanding" = "good". And as such we return to the point of a rating system, which is to merit system. The term 'rating' itself denotes a creation of value or worth.
The system here is a valuation of games based on member's tastes. And like any such system your tastes may diverge from it. Nothing wrong with it, but to say it isn't an system designed to assign value is a bit suspect.


Yes, but a it's a system designed to assign value in which the subjective phrase "Outstanding game. A classic." has been clarified to mean "Always want to play and expect this will never change", and so on.
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