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Andrew Rae
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I suppose the idea of San Juan is that it scratches the itch of Puerto Rico. The theory goes that Puerto Rico is fiddly and takes time. So if you are short on time or players or space in your bag for a game then San Juan should do it for you. Surely PR is such a great game that’s its legitimate heir will have to be nearly as great.

Well the kid has grown up and I am of a mind to see it back to it’s parents, because although I love Puerto Rico, always have, always will, I just can’t get the enthusiasm for San Juan. I’ve played face to face a handful of times, but downloaded the AI version the other day to bide away the time until our twins come. One may reasonably think that I should be experiencing other things in my last few months of no dependants, but the truth is that I suspect that I will be allowed to bike and swim and run when the twins come, but I won’t be allowed to game.

So in my search AI gaming heaven I ran into San Juan and thought, this was great right? Unfortunately it wasn’t. Now that I remember back there is a reason I don’t often say ‘San Juan please’ when the waiter comes by asking what I’d like to play. There are a couple of reasons.

San Juan is a card game. Like PR one picks the role they implement and builds buildings as depicted on the cards. Some buildings are similar to PR and there are a bunch of new ones as well. Instead of money a player pays in cards. When a production building is built and goods are produced one card is stacked under the building to indicate a good of that type. When the trader is called then you may sell that card for cards which go into your hand and help you build more buildings etc etc. Cards are the buildings the goods and the money. It’s a card game disguised as a board game.

The parallels with PR are seamless, suing the same buildings, colour scheme and scoring. Except nothing is quite as good. The colours on the cards seem muted and faded. Where is the corn and its bright yellow colour. It’s not there, in fact it is replaced by silver which is coloured white. The buildings are all basically the same, the only difference being the cost and the return for the good. And the strategic choices, although similar, are reduced. You can only build what you have in your hand, end of story. So luck determines your path instead of other players.

Don’t get me wrong the basic mechanics are good, and perhaps that’s why Race for the Galaxy is so successful. There is nothing wrong with it and it would be much better if it wasn’t related to the number 1 rated game of all time. But when you have famous parents, reflected glory is probably the best you will do. San Juan fails to step out of the shadow of Puerto Rico and I am happy to let it sit there, out of sight and out of mind.
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citylife wrote:
One may reasonably think that I should be experiencing other things in my last few months of no dependants, but the truth is that I suspect that I will be allowed to bike and swim and run when the twins come, but I won’t be allowed to game.


As a parent, I can safely say that once you're past the initial shock, you'll be able to do whatever you want to do. You just won't be able to do it as often. So if you prioritize biking, swimming and running over gaming, that's what you'll get. If you prioritize gaming, you'll play games. It's your choice.

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It’s a card game disguised as a board game.


This is a completely unfair criticism. It's a card game. It makes no pretense to be a board game. There is no attempt at disguise.

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Except nothing is quite as good. The colours on the cards seem muted and faded. Where is the corn and its bright yellow colour. It’s not there, in fact it is replaced by silver which is coloured white.


This is your leading criticism? Color choice? Really?


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You can only build what you have in your hand, end of story. So luck determines your path instead of other players.


The counselor action is there for a reason. It's a card game, makes no pretense to be a board game, and shares with card games a basic mechanic - hand management. Managing the randomness of drawing cards is part of nearly every card game ever invented.

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There is nothing wrong with it and it would be much better if it wasn’t related to the number 1 rated game of all time. But when you have famous parents, reflected glory is probably the best you will do.


So there's nothing wrong with it except its parentage? Do you really mean to say that if it had been released with a different theme, and you hadn't been aware it was related to Puerto Rico, that you would have liked it?
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So there's nothing wrong with it except its parentage? Do you really mean to say that if it had been released with a different theme, and you hadn't been aware it was related to Puerto Rico, that you would have liked it?


Gosh I was pretty harsh on it wasn't I. Thanks googness it is a game and not a person. It does seems a little unfair now you mention it. Perhaps I am being unfair, I'm not sure, but I do stand by my point. San Juan leads itself to comparison with PR for obvious reasons, and it is hard to ignore PR when thinking about the San Juan. IMO San Juan is dull in comparison. Thats not to say that if I had started with San Juan I wouldn't have liked it more. Maybe it would have seemed much better. But I am comparing one games weaknesses with another games strengths and that is what is not fair about my assessment. It seems dull to me, but the point is this is probably because of the comparison.

Point taken IT IS a card game and doesn't claim to be anything else.

scott johnson
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my wife and i love San Juan.:D
William Shubert
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Me (and my wife) too.

This review is odd. It seems to be looking at San Juan as Puerto Rico part II. But it's not, it's really a different game with a couple of the same mechanics and a similar theme.
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I like San Juan, and for me, it's simply easier to get on the table. I have yet to play PR. I have a shrink-wrapped PR still in my closet. Experienced gamers I know don't want to play it with a mix of newbies and pros; less experienced gamers I know don't want to play it at all. So, there it sits. San Juan is quick to explain and anyone can play it. I even brought it to a group of Magic: the Gathering players once, and they enjoyed it. It's a nice card game on its own.
alan beaumont
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Hmm. I think you are just in a strange place, what with forthcoming fatherhood and all. Good luck with that, I understand the first 21 years are the worst.
I haven't been lucky that way, but I work with children ages 4-11 (probably as punishment for sins in a past life) and I think you will find that games will seem less critical to self content.
Good luck and best wishes.
john f stup
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san juan is a wonderful game but it is more of a crap shoot than PR but still there are interesting decisions to make on almost every turn. and the 1st player seems to generally to have an advantage.
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citylife wrote:
TheCat wrote:


So there's nothing wrong with it except its parentage? Do you really mean to say that if it had been released with a different theme, and you hadn't been aware it was related to Puerto Rico, that you would have liked it?


Gosh I was pretty harsh on it wasn't I. Thanks googness it is a game and not a person.


The point isn't whether or not you're being harsh on it, it's that it doesn't make sense to simply dismiss the game based on what it's related to, without any consideration of the merits of the game on its own.

Do you like steak? If so, does that mean you hate hamburgers? And would you not necessarily hate hamburgers if you didn't know they're made from beef?
Ken B.
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If I'm going to play a game with a boring theme--and make no mistake, both PR and SJ have that in spades--then I'd prefer it to be 1 minute setup and 30 minutes of play.

San Juan's "Cards = Buildings = Money" is fantastic, the economy of that design is pretty remarkable.

I'm not surprised that SJ would be a hit with Magic players...the game has sort of a CCG feel in that you're playing/drawing cards, building stuff and establishing resources, trying to generate card advantage (a lynchpin of every CCG ever), and all the violet buildings grant you 'powers'. By the end of the game you have a ton of rule-bending powers, such as double privileges, the chance for free cards during someone else's action, kickbacks for building certain things, discounts for building others, free cards for buying/selling in certain combinations, removal of the handsize limit, blah blah blah.


I've probably played a dozen games of San Juan face to face, and nearly 100 of the AI version. I'd gladly play it almost any time. I've played Puerto Rico's AI version twice, don't own the game, and am not sure I'll ever need to.


San Juan is aces, man. Parentage or no.

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Puerto Rico: I can get my family to play this once in a blue moon. They like it, but getting a commitment from my teenagers to sit around a table for over an hour is unusual.

Race For The Galaxy: I can get my wife to play this once in a blue moon. And even that's with zero enthusiasm, so I don't ask anymore. My girls think dad has turned into an ubergeek when they see the cards on the table (not a totally incorrect conclusion).

San Juan: This game is short, light, and never too difficult to get on the table. It's enough to scratch my gaming itch. Would I rather play the other two? Definitely. But given a choice, I sometimes might pick SJ, when I don't want to think too hard. It's intended as a light game, and should be judged in that light.
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...to bide away the time until our twins come.


Congratulations... and good luck! My wife and I had twin girls in November. Those two plus our two-year-old boy mean a very busy life. Yours will never be the same, but it will be great!

(I'm not sure I've actually played a game since before the twins were born.)
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(I'm not sure I've actually played a game since before the twins were born.)


I"m not sure thast what I wanted hear. Perhaps San Juan is all I will ever have time for again, perhaps my wife is the only person I will ever game with again. If thats the case I might be playing just San Juan and her other favourite Colouretto. Time will tell. I'm glad to see you still have time to get on the geek, there is light at the end of the tunnel!