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On Board Games Episode 26 Teaching Games
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Mail bag and train game episode feedback.
HobbyGames top 100 call in request

Round Table
Teaching games Scott, Erik, & Donald

Correspondent Segment
Giles on the Boardgames Australia Awards.

Reviews
* Adventurer: Card Game from Shadowcircle Press reviewed by Scott & Donald
* Last Night on Earth: The Zombie Game from Flying Frog Productions
reviewed by Erik
* 10 Days in Asia from Out of the Box reviewed by Giles & Donald

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What tricks or tips do you have for teaching games? Any stories of amazing success or epic failure?

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Great episode. Keep up the good work!
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The review geeklist has been updated. I also added some comments to the games on the list that I have played, but didn't review myself. Since I don't want to revisit a game that someone else already covered, this geeklist can serve as a place for anyone and everyone to leave your own comments when you have tried out the games that we review on the podcast. It would be really great to see some listener's feedback if you try these games because of (or inspite of) our reviews.



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I promise to have a new edition of the Guide to the Geek up in our next episode.
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atomzero wrote:
Great episode. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Adam!

Blott wrote:
The review geeklist has been updated. I also added some comments to the games on the list that I have played, but didn't review myself. Since I don't want to revisit a game that someone else already covered, this geeklist can serve as a place for anyone and everyone to leave your own comments when you have tried out the games that we review on the podcast. It would be really great to see some listener's feedback if you try these games because of (or inspite of) our reviews.



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I promise to have a new edition of the Guide to the Geek up in our next episode.


First, is that your real face?

Second, I can't wait for your next Guide to the Geek, get it to me now! (Or within the next week)

Third - I really like the idea of our guild members posting their thoughts on the games we've reviewed.
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Walsfeo wrote:
First, is that your real face?

Sure is.


Walsfeo wrote:
Second, I can't wait for your next Guide to the Geek, get it to me now! (Or within the next week)

Will do.


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Third - I really like the idea of our guild members posting their thoughts on the games we've reviewed.

Hopefully some people will do it.
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Enjoyed the listen..

Not sure if this was addressed during the topic of "teaching games", since I was mountain biking while listening, and became distracted by picking wild blackberries. For me, the theme of the game is a very important part in learning, as it helps visualize exactly what I'm supposed to do.

I've had some not fun experiences, when the rules explainer, totally ignored the theme and the game itself seemed quite bland, and an exercise in blandness. If there's a story, I'd like to know about it. The theme is there for a reason..

Apologies if it was covered
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maibock wrote:
Enjoyed the listen..

Not sure if this was addressed during the topic of "teaching games", since I was mountain biking while listening, and became distracted by picking wild blackberries. For me, the theme of the game is a very important part in learning, as it helps visualize exactly what I'm supposed to do.

I've had some not fun experiences, when the rules explainer, totally ignored the theme and the game itself seemed quite bland, and an exercise in blandness. If there's a story, I'd like to know about it. The theme is there for a reason..

Apologies if it was covered


Thanks! We love this kind of feedback, even if we'd covered that! (However to rest your mind about it we didn't cover attention to theme in any detail. )
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Well again it took me almost 2 weeks until I was able to listen to this episode after returning from a holiday break, but a great epiosde! Thanks guys!

Related to this episode I'd like to add that in our small/monthly gaming group we announce the game(s) we'll probably play by email with links to reviews (BWS) or any other material, so that the people might prepare themself a bit (if they'd like to).

Greetings from Switzerland ;-)

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Nice "teaching games" segment. I like the idea about reading the rules after play, to catch what you may have missed. It's not something I generally do, but seeing as how my game group seems to follow the 90% rule (as in "we generally get only 90% of the rules right on any first play of a game"), it's something I need to start doing.

I would have liked to hear your thoughts on the player you're teaching who says "c'mon, let's just get started, and learn as we go."
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bvongunten wrote:
Related to this episode I'd like to add that in our small/monthly gaming group we announce the game(s) we'll probably play by email with links to reviews (BWS) or any other material, so that the people might prepare themself a bit (if they'd like to).
If we are going to be playing a game that has a video instruction from the publisher or a third party like BGWS I tell people to watch the instruction ahead of time. That's helped a lot.
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daw65 wrote:
I would have liked to hear your thoughts on the player you're teaching who says "c'mon, let's just get started, and learn as we go."
If I know the game forwards and backwards, the group is pretty laid back, and we'll play the game more than once, I might jump in or suggest a sample turn. However if we are only going to play once full game, or someone in the group is likely to get bent out of shape for not knowing how to play, I may start an example play-through with the intention of starting over before we are done. If that wont fly, and there is likely to be trouble from a cold start, I'll explain that the others would probably like to know how to play before diving in.
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daw65 wrote:
Nice "teaching games" segment. I like the idea about reading the rules after play, to catch what you may have missed. It's not something I generally do, but seeing as how my game group seems to follow the 90% rule (as in "we generally get only 90% of the rules right on any first play of a game"), it's something I need to start doing.

I would have liked to hear your thoughts on the player you're teaching who says "c'mon, let's just get started, and learn as we go."


One of my mates does this all the time - it is frustrating - though because he's a good friend I tell him, "I'm going to explain the rules now - walk away if you want, but everytime in the game you complain about something you weren't told, we all get to slap you around..."

Seriously though - the worst time this happened was during a game of Age of Steam, he didn't listen, complained, whined, walked off, got a drink, came back and then I explained again during everyone's turns about what they were doing and why...later in the game he kept saying "you never told me that". I could have leapt across the table and ended it there What was worse was that his vocal criticism of the game (because he didn't understand what was going on), was so loud and continuous that it really marred everyone's enjoyment of the game. We tend to use that experience as a reminder that it is good at least to listen to a basic run-down...

...and I think, as Don suggested, that a sample turn is perfect here!

Cheers,

Giles.
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What a great show you guys are producing. Thanks so much! I just started listening to your show a few days ago and will definitely be going back through the archives to listen to your past shows.

You manage to include a lot of good gaming content and discussion and be entertaining at the same time. (Scott, you crack me up, Stone-age was classic) I like the topics you choose to discuss and how well-prepared the show is, without a lot of extra blather. You seem to have nicely prepared talking points. I also like the review system of the traffic light, very easy to follow. The other thing I really appreciate is that you give the basic concept of the games you review without going into laborious detail about the finer rules of the game.

As an educator who uses games in the classroom I like Giles' games in education segments as well as Donald's segments with kids. As a constant game teacher, I also found your discussion of teaching games very interesting, it is great to hear others take on this subject.

I while ago I wrote a lengthy article on the subject, it is here (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/299189)if any of you are interested, I would be curious to hear your reaction to this method.

Well that's it from me, keep up the great work I for one really appreciate it, and I look forward to future episodes.
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Ryan, thanks for the feedback!

That's a great teaching example tutorial you had prepared. I'm glad you linked to it here. Very tired now, will let you know what I think tomorrow.
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RyanSturm wrote:

I while ago I wrote a lengthy article on the subject, it is here (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/299189)if any of you are interested, I would be curious to hear your reaction to this method.


Great article! Worth bookmarking it even after read ;-)

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RyanSturm wrote:
What a great show you guys are producing. Thanks so much! I just started listening to your show a few days ago and will definitely be going back through the archives to listen to your past shows.

You manage to include a lot of good gaming content and discussion and be entertaining at the same time. (Scott, you crack me up, Stone-age was classic) I like the topics you choose to discuss and how well-prepared the show is, without a lot of extra blather. You seem to have nicely prepared talking points. I also like the review system of the traffic light, very easy to follow. The other thing I really appreciate is that you give the basic concept of the games you review without going into laborious detail about the finer rules of the game.

As an educator who uses games in the classroom I like Giles' games in education segments as well as Donald's segments with kids. As a constant game teacher, I also found your discussion of teaching games very interesting, it is great to hear others take on this subject.

I while ago I wrote a lengthy article on the subject, it is here (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/299189)if any of you are interested, I would be curious to hear your reaction to this method.

Well that's it from me, keep up the great work I for one really appreciate it, and I look forward to future episodes.


Firstly - that is a wonderful article on Teaching Games Ryan!!

Now... Thanks very much! I am honoured and very lucky to be a part of such a great team - although really I play a very small part in it! Erik, Scott and of course Donald all deserve as much praise as can be heaped upon them!

I have always enjoyed the round table discussions, the three musketeers do a great job of describing and discussing them, and also manage to inject a decent amount of intelligent humour too!

I also really enjoy Ben's segments - he does a great job of both his 'On the Geek' segments and his reviews!

If you ever have any suggestions, criticisms or ideas, feel free to Geekmail me or any of the OBG team!!


Cheers,

Giles.
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Another good one. Being the one responsible for the board game association I recently started I'm the one reading the rules and teaching them so it was nice getting some pointers. I think I've picked up most of it earlier in your episodes or from other sources, still good to go through it again.

One game that is a bit hard to follow your ideas on is Starcraft, 43 pages of rules aren't that easy to read through and remember. As a result it took us 5 hours to play the game on 3. Well, we also sorted all the components before we started but we ended up referring to the rules a lot. Afterwards I read through some parts I was unsure of and also looked at the FAQ. Next time I think we can get it down to 3-4 hours.

I got the book, I ordered it just days before the episode was released but I've not read more then a handful of pages yet.


Ryan:
I found your article in another thread earlier but it's so long I've not had the inspiration to read through it. I might print it out and read it through later.
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Awakening wrote:
I got the book, I ordered it just days before the episode was released but I've not read more then a handful of pages yet.

Another episode should be posted tonight, but it was recorded at the same time as this one so there won't be any Hobby Games Top 100 in it. Hopefully listeners can provide some kind of feedback here in the forums, in email, or record something and send it in.
 
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