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What you need to know and what people think about Hare & Tortoise
I've skimmed through the reviews and scoured the personal comments, and carefully organized some key quotations to bring you the important things you need to know and what other people think about Hare & Tortoise. Perhaps you could call this a kind of "consensus of opinion" - biased of course, because I'm the one who gets to pick the quotes to include. Nevertheless, here you have it, an at-a-glance overview of some of the majority opinions that you need to know about this game.

1. Hare and Tortoise is an award winning classic race game.
"Hare and Tortoise is one of the first Spiel des Jahres winning games, and is justifiably called a classic."
"Hare and Tortoise helps math skills, planning skills, and is fun for both kids and adults."
"Classic strategic race game. One of the best ever."
"This is the best racing game ever and one of the best hand management games ever. Use your carrots and your turns wisely; plod along like the tortoise or take your chances with the die roll on the hare spaces."
"Unique strategy racing game. Sort of an advanced Cartagena."
"This is a BRILLIANT, fun game! I like the handicaps that are built into the system when players fall behind."
"Very original movement mechanic and plenty of stressful decisions for a game that can be explained in 3 minutes. A great way to introduce non-gamers and younger gamers to German board games and as the first SDJ winner, a worthy addition to any collection."
"An excellent race game that has less analysis paralysis, more strategy, and more interaction than first impressions would indicate. It strikes the right balance between tactical choices and mathematical calculations."
"This classic race game still gets played at our club and still packs a lot into an older design. Well deserving of Game of the Year and an entry in the Games Hall of Fame."

2. The fable-like theme and the visual artwork is appealing.
"The game is very attractive: a delightfully illustrated board, pretty cards and wooden tokens."
"Beautiful artwork."

3. Despite appearances, this is not a family game for young children.
"I believed I was getting a family game and Hare & Tortoise is NOT a family game"
"I'll play it from time to time, but I don't think I could talk my family into it."
"I would not recommend this for the lower grades. Crossing the finish line can be pretty difficult."
"Very cool game - looks like a kid's game but definitely deep strategy."
"I thought this might have been a kids' game, but it can be challenging even for a 10 year old."
"Note that despite the graphics that appeal to kids, because of the calculation involved, this game would be difficult for them to win without help. "
"Don't let the childish appearance fool you. This is a pretty deep game."
"Looks and feels like a children's game, but too difficult to be that."
"A 'kid game' on the surface, but has a lot of depth."

4. The amount of players changes the game, and it is perhaps best with four players.
"Although it says it's for 2-6 players, I think it plays best with at least four."
"I can't help it, but I love this game; particularly with 4+ players. "
"I do love this game, but tend to get it out when there are exactly 5 to play. Any less and the positioning is a bit too predictable, any more and the queues for the lettuce spaces bog it down a bit too much for my liking."
"I have tried this game with more than 3 and I did not care for how the game played. I prefer to play with three players."
"It plays well with any number, though it gets a bit chaotic with the full complement of players, and the length is just right."

5. There's a lot of math and tactical calculating.

Either you'll hate this.

"Like doing maths problems for fun. Without the fun."
"It's got a - very lightly - pasted on theme of a hare & tortoise race (although you are supposedly playing as both), but it really is just an exercise in number crunching."
"More of a pondering math exercise than a game."
"As a kids game, I think this is a tad too complex/mathy to be especially 'fun'."
"Too much addition and subtraction for my taste."
"This game is pretty interesting but there is too much math in it for me. I prefer the simpler and more elegant version of the mechanics with Cartegena."
"Ugly and tedious. Feels like a mathematics educational tool for elementary schools."

Or you'll love this.
"It's a very clever exercise in arithmetic which David Parlett has fashioned into an entertaining and unique perennial favorite.""
"Often people who've played it know that it's too mathematical and don't want to play again. However that's what excites me about it."
"Some people may like this type of game quite a bit with tactical interaction and denying people bonuses but it is a calculation game."
"It's held up well, has been published by at least three publishers over the years, and is still an excellent choice when you have 4-6 players and want an interesting race game that is more skill than luck."
"In theory, this is a brilliant game. In practice, it's pretty good. You are racing forward (and sometimes backward), trying to manage your carrots and simultaneously hurt your opponents by landing on a key square, or arranging it so that they start their turn on a numbered square that they don't match (or do, if they are overburdened with carrots near the end of the race). It's a great game for mixed (kids and adults) company because it teaches math, has a good strategy to luck ratio, and is fun."
"The Hare spaces are the hardest to discuss. Results can be wonderful or disastrous. Most people save them for when they're desperate, but others play them just because they like chaos. Take your choice."
"There is good variety in the strategies available and scope for tactical play too."

6. The bottom line: what you need to know.
This classic race game has stood the test of time, and whether you'll enjoy it depends on the amount of players and your taste for gameplay with tactical calculation.

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The complete list of Ender's "What you need to know and what people think about..." reviews:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/37595
Last edited on 2008-12-26 13:37:34 CST (Total Number of Edits: 1)
Was George Orwell an optimist?
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It seems to be the fashion to review the review, lately, so I'll give my opinion. I think that a piece which has well under 10% of original content from the author should not qualify as a review.

If there is an audience who is comfortable with your editing and selection, they might find this useful. I'd suggest "Ender's Digest" as a title, and release in the General section, not Reviews.
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Ditto. It's not a review, this is a digest or summary of other reviews.
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Well being that it's made up of fragments of reviews, I don't see how you could classify it as anything other than a review. What's the big deal- that he's getting a couple GG for it? Who cares!
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I don't care what he gets. I simply don't think that cutting and pasting other people's comments, without attribution, constitutes a review. A review should, at minimum, assure me that the contributor has played the game, and inform me about his reaction to doing so.

If I want quotes from other people's ratings, I'll click 'Analyze' on the game page and see what my geekbuddies have to say.
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I had no intention of creating any controversy by posting this - it was simply a systematic attempt to share some reflections about the game. In the interests of full disclosure, here's the process I followed in crafting the above:

1. I played the game.
2. I discussed the pros and cons of the game's theme, mechanics and other aspects of the game with a fellow gamer.
3. I made a list of my six key points (listed in bold print above) that I wanted to make in a review. These are my own reactions and reflections, in my own words.
4. I read the current reviews of the game (there are only four).
5. I skimmed the 600+ Personal Comments on the game (this is where nearly all the quotes are from, only a couple are from reviews), selected some pertinent quotations that supported my key points, and organized them accordingly.
6. I sent the resulting work to a friend/gamer.
7. As an afterthought, I decided to post it as a review, thinking it might be helpful to others who are also looking for an overview of the game (one of the purposes of a review).

All in all, it is probably just as much work as any other review, but is just a different approach. It's by no means a patchwork of the existing reviews, and could in fact prove useful by distilling some of the key points made by others in the Personal Comments, but in an organized fashion by hanging them on the coat-hangers of my own thoughts. Voila - you see the result, and I'd like to think it's a useful contribution along with the other four existing reviews, and quite distinct from them.

But back to the main program... I'd welcome any interaction with the six main key points about the game made in my review. Are these a fair assessment of Hare & Tortoise?
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No problem, Ender. There are plenty of reviews to go around, and I don't expect them all to suit me.

EndersGame wrote:
2. I discussed the pros and cons of the game's theme, mechanics and other aspects of the game with a fellow gamer.


That's the bit I would have been interested in.
I found this interesting and informative However, I do agree that it is not really a "review" and come to think of it I am miffed that this got accepted by GeekMod and my attempt at a review did not. So I would like to see more like this just not categorized as a "review".
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EndersGame wrote:


I've skimmed through the reviews and scoured the personal comments, and carefully organized some key quotations to bring you the important things you need to know and what other people think about Hare & Tortoise.

1. Hare and Tortoise is an award winning classic race game.
"Hare and Tortoise is one of the first Spiel des Jahres winning games...


If you had skimmed a little more, you would know that it was THE first!
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I've not come across other reviews of reviews on BGG, so when I read this, I thought this was an interesting exercise in summarising the existing diverse opinions on the game. This could have some value insomuch as it gives a flavour of what other people have said about the game, without your having to read the individual remarks on different pages.

I'd say there was some similarity with an approach used in scientific research - the systematic review. It is secondary research, but its value lies in pulling together all the primary research, appraising and synthesising it to give an overview of the topic. I thought the review was also strengthened by the description of what was done (so you know what the conclusions were based on).

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Does this mean that I'm entitled to review the reviews of the review, that does no more than review earlier reviews?
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RDewsbery wrote:
Does this mean that I'm entitled to review the reviews of the review, that does no more than review earlier reviews?


Absolutely, so long as it's posted in the "Reviews of Reviews of Reviews" section.
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Sphere wrote:
RDewsbery wrote:
Does this mean that I'm entitled to review the reviews of the review, that does no more than review earlier reviews?


Absolutely, so long as it's posted in the "Reviews of Reviews of Reviews" section.


It is called meta-review, sort of like meta-gaming, and soon to be part of meta-boardgameek. :D
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About the negative responses :shake:

I personally thought this was very useful. I've no experience with the game and my geekfriends don't either.

When I read reviews on Amazon, there is summary compiled, written by people I don't know. I value that input, at the same time taking it with a grain of salt.

It also led me to Ender's List-also very useful.
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I'm Surprised at the offended people. "this is not a review" You just digested and summarized and presented a meta review. Take from it what you will, leave behind what does not suit you.

I appreciate your efforts, it saves me time in reading countless reviews and taking a stab at search terms for geeklists.

Being new to the geek, I do not know how to thumb you or (if I had any) share geekgold.
But good job, keep it up.
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