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Patrick Twitchell
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Loans cannot be taken during an auction???
In the rulebook, it states that loans can be taken out at any time. It's clear that they can only be repaid during one's turn, but it says nothing (unless I'm missing it) about any restriction to taking one.

However, this geek file of a rules summary states that:
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Loans can be issued at any time except during an auction.

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/geekfile_view.php?fileid=3550...

I heard this from the player who taught me the game as well. Where is this coming from? Was there some kind of errata put out, or am I missing something?
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Okay, nevermind. I just found this thread that discusses it as a house rule.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/293872
Kevin Nesbitt, authoritatively states this:
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I think you're overthinking it a bit: The player bringing the ship in for auction generally moderates the proceedings. In our group, he just calls out "okay, everyone ready? 1...2... 3!" and all players drop their bids onto the table. Anytime between the boat moving to the island and the call of "3!" is fair game for taking a loan.

Heck, I've taken out a loan when I didn't need it just to draw other players into bidding too much.


Good. I didn't like that (house) rule much.
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Really, the most important thing to remember about a loan is that you can only pay it back on your turn following the loan being issued. In this way, a minimum of $1 will be required, even if you didn't use the loan for anything.
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I like that the bids must be money in hand rather than commitments to pay a given amount. This way, loans must be taken out before knowing if it will actually be used to win an auction.
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I replicated this error in my single-player aid sheet. So I contributed somewhat to this misunderstanding. After a user pointed this out I made a recent update and removed that restriction from the player aid.

- Steve
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fastfingers wrote:
I replicated this error in my single-player aid sheet. So I contributed somewhat to this misunderstanding. After a user pointed this out I made a recent update and removed that restriction from the player aid.

- Steve

Steve, thanks. I'll have to redownload the player aid with the change. Nice work!
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The rules are a bit amibiguous (IMO)...a little note saying they can be taken out anytime, including during another player's turn, would have helped. However, it is intuitive that you can borrow money at anytime. Not being able to do so could hurt the game.
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We used the 'everyone ready??' phrase when bidding - this will give a player the option to take a loan out if they want...

and yes, $1 must be paid back in addition to the $10 you took to repay it back if you lost the bid..


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You can only repay loans during your own turn, I think, so they can't repay until you have started your own turn, and thus have payed the 1 intest, in case you don't win the auction.
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When a game acquires universally accepted house rules despite what's printed, it is on its way to achieving Monopoly status. Next thing you know, Container will be on the shelves of Walmart.

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loosegravel wrote:
When a game acquires universally accepted house rules despite what's printed, it is on its way to achieving Monopoly status. Next thing you know, Container will be on the shelves of Walmart.

Jim

I gather that you're being sarcastic, but I still don't get your point.
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Neither do I. The game doesn't need house rules.
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Sorry, I was really responding to Patrick Twitchell's comment near the top. I should have included the quote I was referring to:

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Okay, nevermind. I just found this thread that discusses it as a house rule.


My comment was intended to be humorous. I agree that Container does not need house rules.

Jim
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