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Dying wooden game components - the Rit Dye experiment
Purpose:

To determine whether the product Rit-Dye can be used to dye wooden game components. If so, determine the impact of process time and dye concentration on quality of part color produced.

Summary:

Rit-Dye can be used to dye wooden game components. Higher concentrations of dye and longer process times result in darker colors but also accentuate the cross grain ends of the wooden piece, resulting in pronounced variation between crosscut ends and grain parallel surfaces.


Discussion:

Like most of us, there are several games I'd like to ... improve. To add additional player markers, to add informational markers, and in extreme cases - to completely overhaul a game's stock components.

In other words, to pimp the mother out.

In a thread earlier this summer, I asked what people use to color wooden components. Answers were varied, but one product, Rit-Dye, was frequently mentioned. I decided to give Rit Dye a try.

Rit Dye is a cloth dying product (like Puerto Rico's Indigo or Civilization's Ochre). It comes in small boxes which cost about $3us and weigh contain 33 grams of dye.


Equipment Used & Final Results

For the experiment I choose to dye birch plugs, used by woodworkers like myself to fill the holes created for wood screw heads. As such the plugs are not terribly smoothly finished, they are intended to be glued in place and sanded down to flush with the work piece.

Three concentrations of dye were tested, 1/4 teaspoon per 150 mL , 1/4 teaspoon per 50 mL of water, and 1/2 teaspoon per 50mL of water.

Parts were soaked in solution for either 1, 2, or 4 hours.

Solutions we mixed in plastic, recycled yogurt cups. Tweezers were used to remove parts, and a plastic mesh (from a bag used to hold bulk fruit) served as a drying surface.

Unfortunately, the dye is so light that I was unable to measure the weight of 1/4 teaspoon ( less than 1g ). Preliminary results showed that both concentrations based upon 50mL volumes produced quite dark parts. The issue was that as the parts grew darker, the color difference produced in the cross cut ends of the part (where you can see the wood's growth circles) and the grain of the part's cylindrical "side" was found to grow more pronounced. Ultimately, the cross cut ends grew almost black while the grain on the part's OD was a deep red.

The best balance between the part's surfaces was found at the lower dye concentration 150mL case.


2 virgin parts along with parts dyed as follows Left = in 0.25tsp / 150mL for 1 hour, Middle = 0.25tsp / 150mL for 2 hours and Right = 0.25tsp / 50mL for 2 hours

It was also found that most of the part's color was gained during the first hour of the process. Keeping the part in solution for longer led to darker colors, but only marginally so. The dye concentration has a greater impact on the part's final color then the process time.

Personally, I liked the color balance achieved by the 1/4 tsp per 150mL solution in one hour ... maybe 2 hours.


Parts dyed for 1 and 2 hours at 0.25tsp/150mL concentration


Parts dyed for 2 and 4 hours at 0.25tsp/50mL concentration


Parts dyed for 2 and 4 hours at 0.50tsp/50mL concentration

I'm not sure that dying the parts is the ultimate colorant process. The grain of the part is still visible (an issue for some perhaps), and the resulting part has a matte finish, and would require a clear coat of paint to really look great.

A few final comments.

As to the question of whether parts warp when dyed in water. I found that the parts did not warp or change size in any way, but the parts being tested were very short with respect to their cross cut grain. My woodworking experience makes me concerned that water might warp "long" parts. Consider the "roads" used in Catan or the pasture walls of Agricola, such long grain parts might exhibit warpage while being dyed.

It's important to remember that wooden parts will float. Thus the number of parts you can dye as a batch correlates to the surface area of container being used i.e. shallow containers with broad surfaces will let you dye more parts.

Asymmetric parts, like these plugs, will orient themselves such that a certain surface is always on the water's surface. It may even be buoyed proud of the water's surface. Regardless, this upper surface dye quality can be problematic as the dye is wicked to it through the part. It might work better if the parts are forced down into the solution ... like the way that French fries are cooked.

As always your results may vary. Always dye a couple test parts first.

I hope this experiment was helpful / instructive.

Game on !


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"I'll get those bits painted or dye trying!".....


So sorry, just couldn't resist.

:)

BTW, your "experiment" is very well documented. Great job.
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Hmmmm I don't remember buying scarlet Rit Dye ...

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Well done and meticulously documented, Iain. Can I suggest, though, that most folks won't be using birch plugs as you did, but the small wooden cubes and disks that can be obtained at many craft stores or online?

I don't know if the wood is different or if those cubes might be finished in some way that might alter the results but ... perhaps, if you are incredibly bored one day, you could continue the experiments and see...?
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Thanks for the idea, I had just cut my own cubes and was stalling on painting them. I just kept thinking how much mess I was going to make painting them.
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I mentioned the material used to qualify the results. Its true, different woods may change dye performance.

This all began because I plan on placing an order for a batch of wooden disks from an online source. I wanted to make sure I could successfully color the parts before placing the order, so I used what I had on hand :)

Next experiment ... semigloss coating on the parts.
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citizen k wrote:
I mentioned the material used to qualify the results. Its true, different woods may change dye performance.

This all began because I plan on placing an order for a batch of wooden disks from an online source. I wanted to make sure I could successfully color the parts before placing the order, so I used what I had on hand :)

Next experiment ... semigloss coating on the parts.


You, sir, are The Man. :cool:
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I forgot to mention, this whole experiment grew out of the following thread where I asked how others colored game components:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/325146

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Someone should link to this thread over in the discussion of bleeding Agricola bits...
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This is a great writeup. I also love applications of scientific methodolgy to gaming!

Note that Rit Dye also comes in liquid form. I don't think there's any differences between them, other than one or the other being easier to measure depending on what you have on hand (e.g. scales or something) & what you're used to. My much more informal experiments using it with finished wooden discs turned up the same ideas here, particularly in regard to the concentration.

Thanks again Iain!
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Asymmetric parts, like these plugs, will orient themselves such that a certain surface is always on the water's surface. It may even be buoyed proud of the water's surface.


I've gotta tell you, you taught me a new word usage today! "Buoyed proud of the water's surface" is a fantastic descriptive phrase. Thank you!
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Quote:
Rit Dye is a cloth dying product (like Puerto Rico's Indigo or Civilization's Ochre).


I personally find it hilarious that you explained was Rit Dye is with a gamer's point of reference. Here there be geeks! :p
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The 1 1/2" x 1/8" woods disks that I dyed in Water solution warped miserably but when I replaced the water with White Vinegar they came out perfect. I was doing batches of 500 discs at a time and they all came out with a uniform color and no warping or grains raising what so ever. For large quantities of wood products I would recommend Rit Dye with Vinegar instead of water. I let them simmer for 30 minutes and they came out very nice I will try to upload a image soon.

I found the Vinegar solution on a woodworking website for tips on dyeing wood it wasn't my idea but it works great and you get a uniform color on hundreds of items in 30 minutes.

The only drawback is the drying time and the fact that you need to place them in a garage or something so the smell of vinegar leaves them. Yes it does leave but it takes a few days of airing out.

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I'm not sure that dying the parts is the ultimate colorant process. The grain of the part is still visible (an issue for some perhaps), and the resulting part has a matte finish, and would require a clear coat of paint to really look great.


If you are not wanting to see the grain then I recommend spray paint lol. I would assume that you are using wood for the texture. I like the texture showing on the wooden disks in my Merchant of Venus remake.
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Good points, it may well be that disks are more prone to warping than cubes or small diameter cylinders (as were tested here).

I expect to dye plenty of disks for an upcoming project ... as fate would have it a copy of Merchant of Venus ... I'll repeat this experiment for 0.75 inch disks.

Chris, where did you find your 500 disks?

And did you like their surface finish? I ask because I found that dying the light wooden pieces really brings out the surface finish - the matte texture. I suspect that if you want smooth looking parts, you're going to need to start with finely sanded pieces, or apply a gloss, semi-gloss, or clear coat to the part ... another experiment :)
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citizen k wrote:
Good points, it may well be that disks are more prone to warping than cubes or small diameter cylinders (as were tested here).

I expect to dye plenty of disks for an upcoming project ... as fate would have it a copy of Merchant of Venus ... I'll repeat this experiment for 0.75 inch disks.

Chris, where did you find your 500 disks?

And did you like their surface finish? I ask because I found that dying the light wooden pieces really brings out the surface finish - the matte texture. I suspect that if you want smooth looking parts, you're going to need to start with finely sanded pieces, or apply a gloss, semi-gloss, or clear coat to the part ... another experiment :)


I'm thinking Krylon matte finish to set the colors and add protection. I'd probably let the pieces dry a few days before doing that however. Maybe a warm oven, or direct sunlight. It's possible that drying them too quickly might have an undesriable effect however.

Here's a great place for unpainted wooden game parts, they have disks, pawns etc:

http://www.americanwoodcrafterssupply.com/product_category.h...

Great experiment!
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falloutfan wrote:
I'd probably let the pieces dry a few days before doing that however. Maybe a warm oven, or direct sunlight. It's possible that drying them too quickly might have an undesriable effect however.


We're lucky enough to live in the High Desert West so I expect the parts to dry by themselves. Thanks for the link.
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Way to much work for me. I purchased 1854 from lonny across the pond and the game came with plastic little coins for tokens. To hell with that I say.

www.boardgamebits.com = life saver.

Got all the wooden color bits I need.

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citizen k wrote:
falloutfan wrote:
I'd probably let the pieces dry a few days before doing that however. Maybe a warm oven, or direct sunlight. It's possible that drying them too quickly might have an undesriable effect however.


We're lucky enough to live in the High Desert West so I expect the parts to dry by themselves. Thanks for the link.


Ah - That's awesome.

I'm self publishing a project that I'm working on, so I'll be dying my own parts. Your little experiment will help me keep the cost per wooded bit down at the "single digit per unit" sweet spot. Many thanks for the info!

Respectfully.
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I've been reading other threads on paints and painting wood pieces. People mention that dying wooden pieces in water raises the wood grain.

It is possible that what I observed as the dye emphasizing the rough finish of the parts is actually raised grain.

But when I look under magnification at the "plugs" before and after dying, I see no appreciable difference in the surface texture. In other words, my parts had lousy texture to begin with.

I expect to retest using parts with a quality, smooth finish. I also expect to experiment with semi-gloss finishes on the dyed parts.

Cheers.
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citizen k wrote:
Good points, it may well be that disks are more prone to warping than cubes or small diameter cylinders (as were tested here).

I expect to dye plenty of disks for an upcoming project ... as fate would have it a copy of Merchant of Venus ... I'll repeat this experiment for 0.75 inch disks.

Chris, where did you find your 500 disks?

And did you like their surface finish? I ask because I found that dying the light wooden pieces really brings out the surface finish - the matte texture. I suspect that if you want smooth looking parts, you're going to need to start with finely sanded pieces, or apply a gloss, semi-gloss, or clear coat to the part ... another experiment :)


I bought all my wood from caseyswood.com they are cheap and the wood is real nice and smooth and they ship next day. I have purchased around 1200 wooden disks in various sizes from them so far. After I stain them I apply stickers to them so only the edges show anyways. For stickers I use 10.25ml Brilliant Matte smudgeproof water resistant professional photopaper for the printouts. then I use a Xyron machine I borrowed from a friend to apply the sticker backing to them. I then peal off the stickers and apply to the wood. It looks great when done and the stickers can be pealed off maybe once if you do it wrong and you do it fast causeif not the sticker is permanent. As I am using Brilliant Matte finish smudgeproof photopaper I don't need to do anything else to the tokens.

Order extra wood as even with a good company when you order 1000 disks you may get 1 or 2 that have a spur on them (I just cut those with an exacto knife)
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Dator220 wrote:
Way to much work for me. I purchased 1854 from lonny across the pond and the game came with plastic little coins for tokens. To hell with that I say.

www.boardgamebits.com = life saver.

Got all the wooden color bits I need.

Later,
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Yes they are very nice but I think when I am buying 500 disks in 1 color I would rather pay 2.4 cents a piece then 18 cents a piece and take 30 minutes out of my day to Dye them. That is a savings of $48 to dye your own at those quantities. Let alone when you do 1200 disks. (I know Merchant of Venus is only 600 disks but I am also making a copy of Frischfleisch and Dune so I need LOTS of Disks).
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Very scientific. Takes me back to my college lab report days...
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