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Clash of Monarchs: First Impressions
Tuesday night we finally got Clash of Monarchs on the table. I've been looking forward to this ever since I read Bob's designer notes. We took a crack at the 1759 start date since that had all four seats engaged from the get-go. As Austria, I opened with a Daun-led relief of Dresden, assiduously leaving a trail of 1SP breadcrumbs to guard against panty raids on my supply line. Scott had Henry stand and fight. With a +7 DRM, I needed an eight or better on 2d6 to rout the Prussians but I came up a pip short. Henry was merely demoralized and all I managed to do was attract the attention of some guy named Frederick.

In the west, Campoverdi's French sparred with Natus' Anglo-Allied troops in and around Münster, with Ferdinand eventually driving the French back. Meanwhile, the Russian behemoth slowly gathered momentum as it rumbled through East Prussia. That's a 30+ SP juggernaut without much of a target in the early days of this particular scenario.

In the south, Scott had Freddie swing around to slap Henry's force into shape (a larger good order force hooking up with a smaller demoralized force makes the combined force good order) and threaten my position in Dresden. Freddie was positioned to cut my supply line, and a subsequent Fortunes of War chit pull knocked Daun into a Short Supply state. I took advantage of a voluntary Retrograde Movement to fall back through Pirna toward a friendly depot. Scott responded by burning a few barns in Moravia, but my plucky grenzers in the theater box picked off one Prussian light unit, saving the region from complete devastation.

I then upgraded Loudon to his full starry army-leader persona and moved to liberate Silesia from beneath the boot of Prussian autocracy. Okay, I was only offering them Austrian autocracy in return, but it's the thought that counts. The game concluded with a battle between Loudon and Zieten, who tried and failed to evade. Zieten was routed and we called it a night.

After a few hours with this game, I have to say I found it pretty heavy sledding. The discrete elements each work fine in isolation but taken as a whole it feels klunky and procedurally intense. What saves it is the sound intuition beneath each major mechanic - the components all make sense in their structure and application. Unfortunately the integration of those mechanics is less than smooth. The rich nougaty goodness of the ops engine is the reward for all the hard procedural work, and to be fair I think some of that process is its own reward as well (the Kleine Krieg, the economic and political metagames). I love the heart of the game, with the tension between the relative mobility of the field forces and the ponderous, precarious nature of supply. I personally feel the work necessary to reach that heart is worth the effort, but around the table views were decidely mixed on that point.

I'd peg CoM as a couple clicks up the complexity scale from For The People, maybe up in Empires in Arms territory. In a surprisingly crowded field (Frederick the Great, Friedrich, Prussia's Defiant Stand, Seven Years World War) this game stands out as the 'heavy' option. I was looking for chrome, and boy have I found it. History-wise, it feels okay so far with the caveat that field forces feel awfully zippy. The mechanics all work to the extent we tested them. Whether it's *too* heavy will be a matter of personal taste. I'm willing to give it another go, perhaps two-player with an early war start. Bob and Chris invested a lot of effort in this and demand the same from the player - I'm still optimistic the gameplay reward justifies the investment.

Dutch Raspler, who observed a bit of our game, read the above and asked:

Briefly, how do the new mechanics simulate the 7YW? Maybe it would be simplest to ask how it differs from TNW...

Supply dominates operations, particularly offensive operations. You need to trace back to a Major Depot (MD), either directly or via Forward Depots (FDs). During each turn, you first check the supply status of your forces. If they are in a Short or Critical Supply State, they may either voluntarily fall back on their supply lines (a Retrograde Movement), or attempt to roll against their initiative to remain beyond the pale. Should they fail this roll, they have to make the Retro Move anyway. The supply throw is four MPs from the MDs, three from the FDs, while the pokiest leader moves five MPs and the better leaders seven or so. Thus you see you easily get way out in front of your supply. Pity the poor Russian juggernaut, rumbling out of the east with but a single FD to trace all the way back to Mother Russia.

Scott chose to use Freddie to snip my supply line, but he could also have conducted a Kleine Krieg supply raid to disrupt my supply state. You tote up your light troops in the theater box (an offmap display), compare it to the enemy's, have a little light-vs-light tussle, and then resolve on-map effects. These can include burning crops (incrementing the 'forage points' in a region with the ultimate goal of Devastation), disrupting an FD (so it's no longer a valid source) or dinging the supply state of a field force. Short and Critical Supply states damage your speed and ability to fight effectively, and leave you vulnerable to attrition.

Movement itself is usually via card-driven activation to fire up a leader with an initiative equal or lower than the card value (1-3). Some card events are effectively activations, like Major Campaign (two or three activations, I think) and the more restrictive Converging Attack, where activated forces have to hit the same target. Once activated, forces move up to the leader's MP value, which can be affected by size of the force, presence of artillery, and possible Forced Marching. Forces may be intercepted like in other CDGs. Once entering an enemy space, the opposing force may attempt to withdraw. Interestingly, if they fail to do so, combat is *not* mandatory. The better-initiative force has the option to attack, and if he declines, then the other force may attack; if neither attacks, nothing happens.

In addition to the standard activation, you can move a small force (four or five SPs) without a card, and if you play no card at all, you may move any one leader and his troops on a four MP 'Admin March' which doesn't allow combat but gives you some options if you are out of cards.

Mixed up in all this are sieges - they may only be initiated by an activated force that did not fight this particular turn, so it takes some doing to set them up. So, even though I chest-bumped Henry off Dresden, Daun couldn't set siege until the following turn. Once a siege is established, you get one crack a turn, but activated forces can burn some supply to get two rolls a turn. It seems many of the campaigns will turn on fortresses, as they did historically, so this is a section worth a careful read.

Why does this feel Seven Years' War-ish? I think the supply/operation interaction gives it that 18th century Enlightenment vibe, along with the positional nature of maneuvering around and between fortresses. The Kleine Krieg is an important part of the flavor as well, but suffers somewhat in that KK actions come at the expense of field ops. I won't get into the econ and political stuff here, but suffice to say it's more involved than TNW.

This might stretch your patience for 'brief' descriptions, but I forgot to discuss combat. There are two CRTs, one for Intense battles and the other for Measured battles. Certain leaders have red combat values on attack or defense or both - if the red value corresponds to their 'side' in the battle, it is resolved on the Intense table. This basically means more casualties. The Intense table is 2d6 with up to +7 in DRMs. The Measured table is 1d6, with up to +5 in DRMs. DRMs are generated by the capabilities of the leaders (Freddie is a 4-3, attack-defense), Tactics chits, cavalry superiority/inferiority, artillery, supply state, presence of a fortress, and maybe a couple other things.

Each side rolls for its effect on the opposing force, with the result in the form of x D y[+][*], where x is the loss in SPs inflicted, y is the 'D' result for possible army Demoralization/Rout, '+' indicates loss of an artillery step, and '*' indicates a leader casualty. The D value is compared to an army's Endurance level; if it equals its level, the army is Demoralized, if it exceeds it, that army is Routed. Certain leaders enhance their forces Endurance in battle - Freddie for instance improves his army's Endurance on the attack, while Charles improves Austrians on defence. Demoralization is inconvenient but you can recover from it without much trouble, but a Rout affects Monarchical Will (think Strategic Will from FtP) and leaves you vulnerable to follow-on abuse.

This is all pretty involved, with a need to pick through the composition of respective forces for infantry, artillery and cav breakdowns. Ah, but not all cav counts! Light cav only counts as SPs, not for cav superiority! Unless of course it's a Hussar or Chevauleger, in which case it does count! The Tactics chits provide yet another little subgame to sort through, with some chits providing positive DRMs, others giving negative DRMs to the other side, some dependent on leadership die rolls, others just inert throwaways. Not quite La Guerre de L'Empereur 1st Edition, but quite a bit heavier than TNW.

For all that, I like the combat engine - the Intense/Measured split nicely reflects the varying character of the war across the different fronts. No French or Anglo-Allied leader has a red combat rating, so warfare along the Rhine tends to be a stately, civilized affair, at least until a barbaric Prussian leader with a thirst for blood arrives on the scene.

I feel I've just scratched the surface of this game. It will take a cycle or two just to burn in the basic mechanics, and then we can move on to grasping gameplay itself. A little grounding in the period certainly helps here; Scott DiBerardino (sdiberar) was great in providing the context for our game and I think it's worth anyone's while to read up a bit to get the most out of the presentation. The immediate options at scenario start are pretty clear but I look forward to formulating medium and long term plans, cooking up some classic forking dilemmas, and the like. There is a lot to digest here but as I've said a couple times above, I really think there is a substantial reward for the effort. I hope this write-up gives you at least a sense of the appeal, and encourage anyone with an interest in the game or the topic to check out Bob K.'s designer's notes:

http://www.gmtgames.com/t-CoMDesignNotes.aspx

See you on the fields of Silesia!

JR
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jrtracy wrote:

I'd peg CoM as a couple clicks up the complexity scale from For The People, maybe up in Empires in Arms territory. In a surprisingly crowded field (Frederick the Great, Friedrich, Prussia's Defiant Stand, Seven Years World War) this game stands out as the 'heavy' option.


First of all, I really liked your review. You conveyed a lot of information and I found it very informative to see how well you have picked up the game on your first go. Well done!

jrtracy wrote:

In addition to the standard activation, you can move a small force (four or five SPs) without a card, and if you play no card at all, you may move any one leader and his troops on a four MP 'Admin March' which doesn't allow combat but gives you some options if you are out of cards.


You always get one free admin move (of a minor force through friendly or neutral spaces) after the strategy card segment (see 1d), but you get a second admin move if you do not play a card (see 1b, 2nd option). Also, the leader move (12.4) is just the leader that moves and can happen if you play a card or not.

jrtracy wrote:

I feel I've just scratched the surface of this game.


So do I and I've been playing for over a year now. I really love this design. The more you learn, the more you see other possibilities for play. The game does not require you to learn it well, but your ability to play well is directly proportional to your knowledge of the rules. The design really allows you to pull off some great plans and in the game I'm in, let me tell you, I've been tested again and again.
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mgringo wrote:
jrtracy wrote:

In addition to the standard activation, you can move a small force (four or five SPs) without a card, and if you play no card at all, you may move any one leader and his troops on a four MP 'Admin March' which doesn't allow combat but gives you some options if you are out of cards.


You always get one free admin move (of a minor force through friendly or neutral spaces) after the strategy card segment (see 1d), but you get a second admin move if you do not play a card (see 1b, 2nd option). Also, the leader move (12.4) is just the leader that moves and can happen if you play a card or not.



Thanks for the clarification, Michael - I grasped that correctly but did not express it well. Between the potential Retrograde Moves, activations, and Admin Moves, there's room for quite a bit of movement in a single player impulse.

JR
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Actually Montcalm is a French leader with intense (red) battle ability. :)

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BTW great review
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jrtracy wrote:

Between the potential Retrograde Moves, activations, and Admin Moves, there's room for quite a bit of movement in a single player impulse.


Actually, JR, that's one reason I really like the game. It is a nice difference from other CDGs (except for EotS - another brilliant system) where you play a card and activate a leader. The admin moves and free leader moves give you things to do besides playing cards that you can't do in other games. You can use this ability to build up a better hand and then pop it on your opponent.
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This game is way less card game than almost any CDG I've tried. The card play isn't particularly gamey and almost all the actions happens on the board, not in your hand.

I actually like that, it is just a little unusual for me.
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Actually Montcalm is a French leader with intense (red) battle ability.

He is, of course, only available through a "what if" optional rule
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How long did a game take to play? The entry says 90 mins, but that doesn't seem to jibe with the description of the game as very heavy.
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Bob, the designer, posted about this. He said he couldn't find any way to put a set of values in for play time. There are short 1 year scenarios that could take 1-2 hours but there is also a campaign game which could take prob 15-20 hours.
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That sounds right. A couple of experienced players could certainly bang out even a two year scenario in a short evening's play. The entire war would be a beast, I'm sure.

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My experiences playing out the beginnings of a 4-player "Alliance Campaign" seem to indicate that a collection of seasoned players would work through the whole game at a fairly brisk pace. Perhaps 12 hours, assuming you keep people on-task.

I am, however, accustomed to playing with people that do not allow analysis paralysis to grab their reins, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

Edit : Typo correction. 12 hours, not 10. Blah.
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Kirk,

Because the GUI wouldn't allow a X-X range entry, the GEEK staff suggested I add play times in the description, which I did, near the middle bottom. I go by 60-90 minutes for 1756, 3 hours for 1757, 6 hours for two year scenarios, and 16-18 hours for the Campaign.

I concur with J.R. and Jeromey -- 4 players who know the game can probably go faster, as they can ponder their moves and be ready while watching action on other ends of the map. The Spring sustain/recruit and deployment can also be honed down to maybe 10 minutes if players do most of these activities in parallel -- assuming they trust each other, etc. As I have soloed the game a lot, I'll submit that the Spring stuff is pretty fiddly, and takes me about 30 minutes to do each time for all powers. Letting each player do that at the same time would save you 50-70 minutes over it all solo over a campaign.
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Have ordered this game and looking forward to playing it. I have heard that it is heavy but generally worth it. Your review seems to cover most things and makes my choice look better

Great review

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I don't think you'll be disappointed. I am finding the rules quite a bit lighter than I initially thought, with very few exceptions in the game. Once you have the procedure down, it plays relatively quickly.
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I played the 1756-1757 scenario Saturday and did not enjoy the game. I thought that the game was too heavy with chrome and did not provide enough bang for the time invested.
The map is poor. It is various shades of browns and dark colors. The are 1 MP movement lines and 2 MP lines. Both are difficult to discern (being gray and brown). The borders and boundaries are also difficult to see.
The rules for subsidies and commitments are unclear. They are not defined in the rulebook, but included in comments with the charts.
There are chrome rules that slow down the game without adding much. Tactics chits provide extra modifiers but this requires drawing chits and then making die rolls, slowing the game.
Some rules like Sustainment seem odd. The system is very detailed but then has one price per power to sustain the power's infantry for a year. And it's a large amount. The amount does not alter if you have a huge force or nothing left.
I can tell that a lot of time was invested in designing the game and including all the history. As a study of the war it is excellent. As a game, it is ponderous.
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Joe! Long time no see! Sorry you didn't enjoy the game, but good to see your name again. Hope all's well with you. I think CoM is definitely on the heavy end of the scale, and the payoff just won't be there for some folks.

JR

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Hello JR!

I'm good...both boys in college...lots of gaming time! Thanks. How are you?
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We've played three sessions now, and I have some concrete notions about the game.
1.Although I am not a professional graphic artist, I am a good enough amateur to be disgusted by the map. It violates basic guidelines, and so is a detractor to play.
2.Our best speed is 8 hours per year. It could be better.
3.The sustainment rules while seemingly non-sensical are set up to encourage historical action--borrow, borrow, borrow!
4.The cards are quite flexible in their uses, so the rest of the game stands out much better than it might have.
5.I like and enjoy playing the game. I recommend it not only for play but also for the history that it brings to the table.
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re: the map. I agree. But I have a theory about what the problem is.

I don't know if any of you guys use any of the VASSAL module for this game. But if you do, you may find (as I did) that everything is easily distinguishable and while not super attractive, is highly usable. I've been playing a lot of PBEM and the other day I busted out the printed map. The translation from digital file->paper map is not good. At all. I don't know what happened, but somewhere in the process of putting it on paper it just doesn't work. My supposition is that all this was done digitally (as it always is) but there was a lot of looking at it on LCD screens but there wasn't enough attention to how it looks in real lighting situations on a piece of paper.
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