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Great Wall of China » Forums » Rules
cavalry on different walls?
Last night we played this for the first time (really solid game btw) but a question came up about the cavalry cards. You can only play wall cards on a single wall section, 1 or a group of identical cards. But I wonder if you can play cavalry cards to a different section from where you play your wall sectios during the actual action? The rulese explicitely state that during your action you must play to a single wall section, but the rules also are very explicit that the cavalry cards take place outside the "action."

Is this more clearly indicated in the original German rules?

FWIW we played that you play cavalry and/or wall cards to the same section during the same action.
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we play cavalry on different wall sections. The rules aren't clear.
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I received a clarification from FFG yesterday:

Hey Guy,

The answer is that the cavalry card can be played in any legal
position and is treated like a free card play. It does not need to
follow another card. In this manner, you could draw two cards and
still play cavalry cards.

Does this answer your question?

FFG


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Sprydle wrote:
I received a clarification from FFG yesterday:

Hey Guy,

The answer is that the cavalry card can be played in any legal
position and is treated like a free card play. It does not need to
follow another card. In this manner, you could draw two cards and
still play cavalry cards.

Does this answer your question?

FFG




I agree that the calvary card can be placed in any legal position, however, I don't believe that you can "draw two cards and still play calvary cards," and here's why:
From the description in the rules (p. 9 of FFG 2006 English rules):

Calvary Special Ability -
Calvary does not cost an action to place.
However, the card may not be placed after the third action of your turn."

The rules when describing the Second Action also clarify this point (p. 7): "Note: Either before or after the second action, you may play calvary cards." Since the First Action is always the Progress Check, you can play calvary as a free move only after your Second Action (draw or place cards), and not after your Third Action (draw or place cards) per the rules. At least that's the way I'm reading it.

This does make for much tighter play and forces you to place the Calvary before seeing what might be in that second draw.
Last edited on 2009-01-18 10:52:24 CST (Total Number of Edits: 1)
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monkeyturtle wrote:
I agree that the calvary card can be placed in any legal position, however, I don't believe that you can "draw two cards and still play calvary cards," and here's why:
From the description in the rules (p. 9 of FFG 2006 English rules):

Calvary Special Ability -
Calvary does not cost an action to place.
However, the card may not be placed after the third action of your turn."


Dang! I think we missed that rule. I also misunderstood the rule about playing only to one wall section. Are you saying that on your turn if you play cards with the second and third actions, then you must only play on one wall section with both those actions?

Because, if so, I think we missed that rule, too. I wonder how our next game will play out?

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Drew1365 wrote:
Dang! I think we missed that rule. I also misunderstood the rule about playing only to one wall section. Are you saying that on your turn if you play cards with the second and third actions, then you must only play on one wall section with both those actions?


Regarding playing to only 1 wall section, I read the rules like this:

1) When playing a single wall card, or group of identical wall cards, you may play them to only 1 wall section in that Action. (from 2006 FFG rules Description of Second Action, p. 7 - "Place any one wall card, or group of identical wall cards, from your hand on to the table beside any one of the tokens."

2) On your next Action, you may draw, or you are free to play a wall card, or group of identical wall cards, to any Wall you choose, it does not have to be the same one you targeted on your last Action. Each Action is separate.

3) When it comes to placing Calvary, I think this is a separate action, and thus they can be placed on any wall you choose, regardless of previous placements in your turn. However, like all cards in the game, if you are going to place more than 1 at a time, they must be placed as a group on 1 wall, and not split up.

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monkeyturtle wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Dang! I think we missed that rule. I also misunderstood the rule about playing only to one wall section. Are you saying that on your turn if you play cards with the second and third actions, then you must only play on one wall section with both those actions?


Regarding playing to only 1 wall section, I read the rules like this:

1) When playing a single wall card, or group of identical wall cards, you may play them to only 1 wall section in that Action. (from 2006 FFG rules Description of Second Action, p. 7 - "Place any one wall card, or group of identical wall cards, from your hand on to the table beside any one of the tokens."

2) On your next Action, you may draw, or you are free to play a wall card, or group of identical wall cards, to any Wall you choose, it does not have to be the same one you targeted on your last Action. Each Action is separate.

3) When it comes to placing Calvary, I think this is a separate action, and thus they can be placed on any wall you choose, regardless of previous placements in your turn. However, like all cards in the game, if you are going to place more than 1 at a time, they must be placed as a group on 1 wall, and not split up.



Oh, okay, then we did fine. If you're playing identical cards, you must play them all on the same row. I got that. Thanks.
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monkeyturtle wrote:
Sprydle wrote:
I received a clarification from FFG yesterday:

Hey Guy,

The answer is that the cavalry card can be played in any legal
position and is treated like a free card play. It does not need to
follow another card. In this manner, you could draw two cards and
still play cavalry cards.

Does this answer your question?

FFG




I agree that the calvary card can be placed in any legal position, however, I don't believe that you can "draw two cards and still play calvary cards," and here's why:
From the description in the rules (p. 9 of FFG 2006 English rules):

Calvary Special Ability -
Calvary does not cost an action to place.
However, the card may not be placed after the third action of your turn."

The rules when describing the Second Action also clarify this point (p. 7): "Note: Either before or after the second action, you may play calvary cards." Since the First Action is always the Progress Check, you can play calvary as a free move only after your Second Action (draw or place cards), and not after your Third Action (draw or place cards) per the rules. At least that's the way I'm reading it.

This does make for much tighter play and forces you to place the Calvary before seeing what might be in that second draw.


I'm sure you are correct in your interpretation that the cavalry must be placed before you draw your second card. I believe FFG was just clarifying that a single turn can encompass drawing two cards as well as playing cavalry. I don't believe that FFG was specifying the order--I don't think they intended to imply that it could be literally draw two and then play a cavalry. That was not the original question.
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