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Gaming with a 5 Year-Old:
Stone Age

(a.k.a. "The Stone Game")



Mfg Suggested Ages: 10+

This is the 5th installment of Gaming with a 5 Year-Old - a series of ten-point hybrid reviews/session reports from CLS Games that focus on reviewing games from the perspective of a father who plays games with his 5 year-old son. Other reviews in this series are available here:

Gaming with a 5 Year-Old: AGRICOLA

Gaming with a 5 Year-Old: DRAKON 3RD EDITION

Gaming with a 5 Year-Old: QUORIDOR

Gaming with a 5 Year-Old: FORMULA DE


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I. Theme: thumbsup thumbsup

Cavemen are certainly not the first thing most folks would think of when picking a game theme to appeal to a 5 year-old boy. That said, the lack of plastic race cars and cutesy animals did not seem to keep my son from wanting to play it. In fact, after showing Junior the Stone Age game box and then putting it back on the shelf of favor of what daddy thought he would find to be a much cooler "dragon and flying carpet racing game" (i.e., Elfenland), he announced, No thank you daddy...I want to play "The Stone Game!"


II. Components: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


Stunning colors + wooden bits and sturdy cardboard counters are a winning combination.



The 36 Civilization cards are a little delicate, but no more so than cards found in any other new game. Since the cards are handled so infrequently, it was really a non-issue for us.


III. Playing Time: thumbsup thumbsup

With 2 players, you will have no worries. But, with 3 players the game can border on being a little too long, particularly if you are having the rug rat hone is math skills by adding his own dice. With four players, expect a 90+ minute game with too much downtime between turns for Junior to stay focused.


IV. Reading Requirement: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

No text of any kind required for play -- all the information on cards, tiles, and the game board can be discerned from symbols. When I asked by son what he liked best about "The Stone Game," he told me that he liked the cards because they did not have any "complicated words" [in fact, no words at all] unlike daddy's farming game.


V. Complexity: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsupthumbsup


There are only a limited number of plays available each turn and the gold halos on the game board, cards, and tiles are very helpful in identifying choices. Having Junior add his own dice helps make the game both fun and educational. But, unless your five year-old descends from Leonardo Fibonacci, you probably do not want to have him do his own divisions.


VI. Modifications: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup



None required, but pulling an extra set of dice from another game and having them on the table for Junior will help speed the game along.


VII. Handicapping: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

Based upon a very limited number of plays with my son, I am not sure that any handicapping is necessary. That said, should one want to give his young offspring an increased chance at victory without softplay from the adults, there are numerous ways one could handicap the game:

(1) Give him 1-3 random Civilization Cards at the start of the game. This is my least favorite method because it seem so artificial, but it does work.

(2) Give him 1-2 additional Cavemen at the start of the game

(3) Give him additional sources and/or food at the start of the game.

(4) Start him at a farming level other than 0 (try level 2).

(5) Give him 1-3 additional tools at the start of the game.


Options (4) and (5) are my favorites, but if I had to go with just one choice from the list above, I would go with the tool option.


VIII. Memorable Moments: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

My most memorable Stone Age moment occurred towards the end of my son's first game (a 3-way game with myself, Junior, and his grandmother). Earlier in the game, I had asked my son why he had not chosen the "Whoopee Hut," despite several opportunities to do so. His response was, No Hunt, No Hunt, No Hunt! While I was quite impressed that he fully understood the connection between increased population and the need to hunt, I desperately wanted to explain to him how flawed his strategy was. I knew it was impossible for him to win a game with only his initial 5 cavemen, but I managed to hold my tongue. I was well on my way to having 10 cavemen and figured that crushing him under the heal of my boot would most effectively show him the error of his ways. Thus, I dismissed any chance of my son winning and began focusing exclusively on beating his grandmother.

Fast fwd a couple dozen turns and you can guess how this story ends. With only enough building tiles in play to support 2-3 more turns, I realized that my Population + Civilization Card strategy was going to fall short and that I would finish a distant second behind Junior. So much for me teaching my five year-old the finer points of Stone Age strategy!


IX. Fun Factor:
..... for Jr. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
..... for Daddy thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup



X: OVERALL GRADE: thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup



The first (and only) time I had played Stone Age was three months ago at Game Fest South (a 4 player game with adults). Ever since then, I had been looking for an opportunity to play it again and finally decided to try it with my 5 year-old son. I was not sure he would take to the theme, but we gave Stone Age a try and it was a huge success. With over 100 plays of Carcassonne and Drakon 3rd edition under his belt, I should have known that my son would be right at home digesting symbolic information off cardboard tiles. He loved rolling the dice and showing me and his grandmother how he could add the numbers. And, best of all, when we finished our first game, he immediately asked if we could play it again!

Last edited on 2008-11-04 12:31:53 CST (Total Number of Edits: 2)
Henrik Lantz
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My four year old also asks to play this all of the time, but he doesn't really grab all the complexities of the gameplay and lacks the attention span to play a whole game. But he loves "making babies" in the hut! :) Thats his first choice all the time, doesn't matter if he's got the food or not, he wants to make babies. Really cute. :) He recently got a baby sister, might have something to do with it.
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Thanks for the review. I recently played with my 7 and 5 year old children and the game went surprisingly well. Both were quite competitive, although my 5 year old daughter, like your son, was hyper-focused on hunting.
Ricky Gray
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Outstanding, Bob. This is the reason I buy games - for moments like these with my sons. Great stuff!

Ricky
Corin Friesen
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"Whoopee Hut". :laugh:

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Fantastic Review!!!
John W
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A note/reminder to re-set context
From time to time, there have been threads where BGGers wonder if their kids are "weird" or below average, for not playing "daddy's games" - i.e. adult Euro games with the adults.

This is a perfect example of the kind of thread that makes very young gaming on adult Euro games seem normal.

It isn't.

This is an account of a rare child and parent - not the average.
Don't think you have to "keep up with the jones's" with respect to kid gaming.

(Personally, I shudder when hearing a 5 year old has sunk countless hours into over a hundred games of Carcassonne and Drakon each ....)
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reapersaurus wrote:

(Personally, I shudder when hearing a 5 year old has sunk countless hours into over a hundred games of Carcassonne and Drakon each ....)


Shudder?
Corin Friesen
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reapersaurus wrote:
This is an account of a rare child and parent - not the average.
Don't think you have to "keep up with the jones's" with respect to kid gaming.

(Personally, I shudder when hearing a 5 year old has sunk countless hours into over a hundred games of Carcassonne and Drakon each ....)

Rare? :what: It's only natural that a child will want to do what Daddy does.
Keep up? Are you implying that BGG users are forcing their children to play games? Like I said, it's natural.
Shudder? Are you really a board game geek? ;)
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reapersaurus wrote:
(Personally, I shudder when hearing a 5 year old has sunk countless hours into over a hundred games of Carcassonne and Drakon each ....)


Hello John,

Thank you for contributing to this most worthy discussion.

It really bothers you?!??!? I agree hundreds of games is a bit too much if he did that all in a week. But, he started playing Drakon two years ago when he was 3 1/2 years old.

I am curious, John, as to what has given you such a negative opinion of exposing pre-K children to more advanced board games. As an educational researcher, I think that opinions on the merits of children gaming should be based upon the existing body of scientific research. If you review the child development literature, you will discover that there is no scientific evidence suggesting that playing games is harmful to children. There is no scientific evidence that exposing young children to any abstract concepts like mathematics, music, or advanced games is in any way harmful. In fact, the literature tells us exactly the opposite:

Music, mathematics, and game play (in particular that play which is challenging and abstract) promotes cognitive development in children AND the positive effects are greater the earlier and more frequent the exposure.

One probably would not hand a 12-string guitar to a pre-K child for his first instrument because the learning curve is too steep and the child would be come frustrated. Instead, you would give him a drum, a recorder, or perhaps a keyboard. Similarly, so that your child does not become frustrated and lose interest in gaming, I think it is safe to say that Caylus would probably not be the gateway game of choice for 3-5 year olds. Start your 2-3 year-old child with a basic memory game like Concentration (we used a Thomas the Tank Engine deck since our boy loves trains) and then try Quoridor when you think he is ready and willing (probably age 3 to 3 1/2).

Your position on kids playing more advanced games was raised in a previous thread and I responded to it in greater length here: Gaming with a 5 Year-Old: AGRICOLA



reapersaurus wrote:
This is a perfect example of the kind of thread that makes very young gaming on adult Euro games seem normal. It isn't.


I completely agree with you that my son's board gaming hobby is not the norm for 5 year-olds. But, the question you left unanswered is, "WHY is it not the norm."

It is abnormal not because my son is a gaming (or any other sort of) prodigy. Rather, it is clearly abnormal only because most adults do not chose to expose their pre-K children to decision-based and/or abstract games at an early age. My professional experience as an educator and researcher is that most parents underestimate the ability of their children to make decisions and think abstractly. They buy their kids Snakes and Ladders or Candy Land and then wonder why their kids lose interest in the game and would rather watch Barney on TV all the time. I would want to watch Barney too if decisionless luckfests were the only games I had available.


My son does spend a great deal of time playing board games (in fact, it is his 2nd favorite activity behind only Tae Kwon Do). But, he also loves to draw and color, go to the playground, read Dr. Seuss (with a little help from me), build rocket ships with daddy's 30 year-old LEGOS, and collect snow globes. He loves chocolate milk, will eat just about any fruit, does not like bugs, prefers his mother's cooking to mine, and is an expert at annoying his little sister. In, short, he is a very normal 5 year-old. The only difference between my normal 5 year old son and most other normal 5 year-olds is that he has a parent with the time, inclination, motivation, and means to expose him at an early age to benefits of decision making and abstract thought via board games.

My hope in writing this series of reviews is that it will encourage other parents to do as I have done expose their children to critical thinking, decision making, and abstract thought at an early age. There are many ways to expose children, though few are as diverse and fun as board games.
Last edited on 2008-11-05 07:18:48 CST (Total Number of Edits: 3)
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The only problem I have with playing with my youngest is that she can and will win. The only traditional game she has played is Chutes and Ladders and Life. She is a member of the cult of the new and doesn't want to play a game more than 1 time a year. When I ask her what she wants to play she says "I want to play a new game." So, it take all the time to teacher we play one time and she wins and then I never get to play it with her again. It is one thing to loose to a grown up it is quite another thing to loose to someone 1/4 your age.

In the end I truly believe that we should teach our kids from a young age to love the games in hope that when they are older they might have the opportunity to enjoy them like we do. I would never force my child to play a game but I do make sure she has a good quality selection to choose from.
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