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Conflict of Heroes: Awakening the Bear! - Russia 1941-1942 » Forums » Rules
Sequenc about CC with an Enemy in a hidden mine hex
Unit A is next to a hidden mine hex with unit B.
The situation is A want to CC B.

Q1: A is afraid that there is a hidden mine in this hex. If A fire at this hex, can he attack unit B and the possible hidden mine simutaneously?

Q2: What is the sequence in this CC between A and B?

A moves into this hex and the mine explores to A.
The mine counter is still there or be removed after going off?

If the mine is still there, the situation is very complicated as follows.

B reacts to CC A (does this CC attack the mine simultaneously?) and the mine explored to B.
A starts to CC B (does this CC attack the mine simultaneously?) and the mine explored to A.

Thanks for any response.
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silvanus321 wrote:
Unit A is next to a hidden mine hex with unit B.
The situation is A want to CC B.

Q1: A is afraid that there is a hidden mine in this hex. If A fire at this hex, can he attack unit B and the possible hidden mine simutaneously?

Q2: What is the sequence in this CC between A and B?

A moves into this hex and the mine explores to A.
The mine counter is still there or be removed after going off?

If the mine is still there, the situation is very complicated as follows.

B reacts to CC A (does this CC attack the mine simultaneously?) and the mine explored to B.
A starts to CC B (does this CC attack the mine simultaneously?) and the mine explored to A.

Thanks for any response.


I think you've got it figured out. For Q2 you have it exactly right.. and to answer your one question the mine does not get taken off the board unless it is destroyed, not just for going off. For Q1, that's an interesting question... I think the roll against B would also have to be taken as a roll against the hidden mine, and if it was high enough it would destroy the mine, your opponent would have to show you the mine and let you know you destroyed it. Interesting though, as I haven't been playing it that way, but more that I just haven't thought of it. So yes, I would say play as you'd suggested. I'll ask Uwe and Nick though to see what they say about that situation.
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Thanks James.
I agree with you, since in CoH you fire at the hex but not the unit.
Maybe that would be easier to address that the fire will attack the hidden mine too.
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silvanus321 wrote:
Thanks James.
I agree with you, since in CoH you fire at the hex but not the unit.
Maybe that would be easier to address that the fire will attack the hidden mine too.


Well, Nick is disagreeing with me, since you also don't ever roll once against multiple enemies. He plays that attacking the hidden mine is a separate action (so you could attack the person, or attack the mine you think is there, but not both simultaneously.) I can see how that could make sense too...

You definitely raised a good question, one that might have changed the way my last couple games went (we were playing the Mogilev firefight.)

Anyways, Nick or Uwe or I will post an official ruling soon, but for now, I'd say play it the way you like, as long as everyone playing knows what the rule is.
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I'm a little bit comfused,so......

B reacts to CC A, does B attack the mine simutaneously?

I think this is a little weird since no foot have enough time to deal with enemies and mines at the same time......
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silvanus321 wrote:

B reacts to CC A (does this CC attack the mine simultaneously?) and the mine explored to B.
A starts to CC B (does this CC attack the mine simultaneously?) and the mine explored to A.
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Whoops, I missed the questions in the parentheses. In these situations, the CC attack does -not- attack the mines simultaneously. This might not be coming out until the next ruleset, but CC attacks are only ever against one enemy unit. So in CC, you choose one unit to attack and that is all - so in this case A could choose to attack B or the minefield, but not both.
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Ok, official ruling is that attacking mines is always a separate action from attacking units. This would go for things like roadblocks as well. So if you're attacking a hex with a unit and a mine on it, and you want to attack the mine, then you only attack the mine, not the unit as well.
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