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Solitaire: too lucky with Minor Improvment/Occupation draw? (66 pts!)
First, my Agricola cred: I have played Agricola 12 times -- 3 times solitaire. The first time I played Solitaire, I got 48 pts. The second game (with one carry over Occupation from the first game) I scored 52. I felt like I made too many mistakes the first two games and wanted to start over. I saw how beneficial it was to let spaces build up over time (especially animals and wood) and realized my approach to the game would have to be quite different to do well. As well, my first two solitaire games were my 8th and 9th playings of the game, and I felt like I was just starting to get the hang of how to use the Minor Improvement cards and Occupation cards effectively.

So tonight I sat down for Generation One (first game) in a Farming campaign, my 12th playing of Agricola (3rd solitaire). I used E deck only and amongst the cards I was dealt was the Baker and the Millstone. I look at one then the other; back to the first then returned to the second. Could it be as good as it sounded?

It was. To get the food I needed for the first Harvest, I used Day Laborer for 2 and the Fishing hole for 4. I used the rest of my actions to get set up for grain farming (2 Plow + 2 Grain + Sow). Before the second Harvest I built the Clay Oven, and then the food engine went crazy. Without even having to use a Bake Bread action, I was generating 7 food every Harvest automatically (at the cost of one Grain). This allowed me to basically go nuts on the board. I Plowed, Grained, Vegged, Sowed, Built, Renovated, and - on the last turn -- grabbed 14 Sheep, 7 Wild Boar, and 4 Cattle, finishing the game with 66 POINTS!

You could say that my play improved considerably. But - as much as I'd like to take credit for it - it seems obvious to me that I got dealt an amazing 2-card combo. I still enjoy the flow of play in Agricola, and the challenge of every game, but I was surprised to see how much easier the Solitaire game is depending on the starting cards. There are some cards that are just not great for Solitaire (for example, the Occupation card that gives you an extra Wood every time you take Wood from a space -- since Solitaire is about letting spaces build, this card is almost..."dead wood" if you'll excuse the pun.)

I'll still play the game multiplayer, but I may give up Solitaire. 66 pts in game 1? Seriously? That's 8 food for the start of next game. That's insane. 48 points was frustrating; 66 pts is barely less so. It felt too much like the cards wone, and not my play.

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even the best cards are worthless unless you use them the right way. so don't forget it's still you who got the points, not the cards, and someone else might not have gotten that much out of it.

for future challenges you can try to beat this score (my highest is 82 i think in a single game), or make it harder if you play series of games. exapmle: add VPs to the victory requirement, this way you can even measure your success.
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sonny's right - it's YOU who got the points, not your cards. I always get 60+ points with any cards, so unless you had cards that gave you some massive bonus points, it was you who made the points. :)

And I agree to set the victory conditions higher to have more challenge.
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Under the worst possible playing conditions for the solitaire game, you should always be able to score a minimum of 60 points. See thread here. You might have to sacrifice a point or two to get an occupation into play.

I like to use more decks when I play solo. By using the I and the K decks, you are less likely to get a killer combination of cards, as you experienced.
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Ponton wrote:
sonny's right - it's YOU who got the points, not your cards. I always get 60+ points with any cards, so unless you had cards that gave you some massive bonus points, it was you who made the points. :)



I guess the reason why I was so surprised was how dramatic the increase was. 48 points one game, 52 the next (with a carried-over Occupation), then 66 points. I didn't feel like I played that much better than the first two times -- I did feel like I got a combination of cards that "took care" of the food problem.

But if I am hearing you all correctly, you are saying that no matter what cards one is dealt, one should be able to score about the same amount of points with almost any hand? In other words: all deals are about equivalent? Or are you saying that no matter how bad the hand, 60 points is achievable, and a good hand can go quite higher?
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No matter how bad the hand, you should be able to score about 60, which should get you far into the solo game series, allowing you hopefully to get a nice combination of occupations in play which would help to boost your score in the later games.

I typically score about 80 points in the last game of the series, with my personal high of any solo game being 85.
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The biggest challenge in Solitaire is the first game of the series (I count all 8 "games" as 1 solitaire game). I prefer occupations that let me get more animals in space, bonus points or that get me resources (especially wood) either for food or with other not gathering actions. I also get in the 70s and low 80s fairly often (I don't have my score sheets near by but I think I got 88 once in the last round of play). After the first round or two it really becomes a make the most of your space game because you can't max all categories without some serious help. Unless you get someone who can help you max animals with only 5 spaces of pastures it is not easy. I have played about 5 complete series and only lost one (missing target score in the second round by 1 point). It is still a pretty fun game and it is all about adapting so that you make the most out of your cards, but play it through the 8 games (you can just put aside the occupations you have and pick it up later (much later if you like) I always write which occupation I add on each round and how much food I will have for the next round.
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familygaming wrote:
Or are you saying that no matter how bad the hand, 60 points is achievable, and a good hand can go quite higher?


That's exactly, what I'm saying.
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familygaming wrote:
But if I am hearing you all correctly, you are saying that no matter what cards one is dealt, one should be able to score about the same amount of points with almost any hand? In other words: all deals are about equivalent?

No, not really. You should be able to get at least 60 in any solo game (with a bit of experience), but some cards are definitely worth more than others. Refer to this thread for an extreme example (182 points):
http://www.boardgamegeeks.com/thread/337559
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I just got 64 points for my third ever solitaire game. Came down to getting the Mansion and the Chief with a 4-room stone house making that worth 20 points alone.
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