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Sven Dye
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Im a long time gamer but was wandering what you guys thought was the best way yo shuffle cards? Im not that great a shuffler and it "seems" like when i just divide all the cards into 4 or 5 separate stacks and then and then hand shuffle them.
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Just "wash" them: Spread them on the table and do the most stupid moves to get them randomized. Intuitive, fun, best method.

After you put them into a single pile again, do the "normal" shuffling, just for the feeling to do something "appropriate".
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This is the standard poker shuffle method and I find it works well:
Riffle shuffle
Riffle shuffle
Riffle shuffle
Take middle of deck and put it on top of deck
Riffle shuffle
Cut
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Sometimes I just quickly "deal" three to five stacks in front of me, then stack 'em up, and voila! Shuffled.
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Distributed evenly, yes. Shuffled, no.
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I deal 3 to 6 random piles (not all piles have same number and don't place in piles in the same order), shuffle those piles and then shuffle the piles into one big pile. Not sure how randomised that is but it seems to work well and it's the easiest for me as I can't riffle shuffle.

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When I was heavy into Magic the Gathering, I used pile shuffling.

Deal into 7 piles.
Riffle.
Deal into 5 piles.
Riffle.

Pile shuffling works well if you are no good at riffling and you don't want to damage the cards.
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Are these methods also the best for CCGs? Lots of the cards are pretty valuable, but they lose their value when damaged, so bending the cards isn't really feasible. Sleeving the cards makes them more protected, but this makes riffle shuffling almost impossible. I usually use the method where I make separate piles of cards, but using a fairly random order of placement, and doing it a second time with a different amount of piles. However, this can be very time consuming, especially in games where there are time limits.

What is the best way to shuffle sleeved cards, or cards that you want to keep in perfect condition?
 
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When I dealt poker the shuffle I learned was

Riffle
Riffle
Strip (take cards off the top of deck in small piles, stripping the deck away)
Riffle
Box (this is the poker room term for cutting the deck on to the cut card)

However my only problem with this, is in a game with black bordered cards, it can be a little destructive. I never mind seeing an overhand shuffle in games like that, it is easy to cheat with an overhand, but the kind of person that's going to cheat with an overhand shuffle, will find some way to cheat no matter the situation.
 
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I go for an overhand shuffle - simple and effective, and doesn't damage the cards (unlike the riffle shuffle).
 
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From being a sleight of hand magician and a poker dealer at the casinos at one point in time, the best way to shuffle cards i have found and been taught is to take the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the deck and put it on bottom, then break the deck in half and riffle shuffle. Do a quick overhand shuffle of about 15 cuts then repeat the 1/3 break and riffle, your cards will be no where close to where they started.
With games like dominion where your constantly shuffling, we have instated that you must overhand shuffle and riffle your deck. there was just to many occasions of people half ass shuffling and the same rotation of cards would come through their hands.
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Personally, if the cards are sleeved, I'll cut the deck and push the two piles together a few times. Then deal them out into five to 10 roughly equal sized piles. Then do the cut and push together another couple of times. Finally, put them down, cut again and put the stack from the bottom on top. I used to find, when I played MtG years ago, that some of the order in the deck survived only cutting and pushing the piles together, even though, as far as I could tell, it should have had a similar effect to a riffle.

If the cards are not sleeved, I'll want to avoid damaging them, so I'll just deal them into piles a couple of times, plus do a couple of cuts. For most games all you are really trying to do is break up whatever order there is in the deck, and make sure no one knows what cards are coming up. A technically perfect shuffle isn't really needed, and my riffle shuffling skillz stink.

My grandmother used to finish her shuffles with what she called a "Dingle Poke", poking a pile of cards out of the middle, putting the pile from above at the bottom, the pile from the bottom on top of this, and finally the poked pile on top.

Edit: The problem I found with overhand shuffles was that they were not effective at breaking up patterns in the deck. Let's say for example that someone playing MtG with 20 lands in a 60 card deck stacked the deck by putting a land in at every third card. If this pattern survived the shuffle, they would end up getting a good mix of land and other cards, putting them (on average) at an advantage over someone with a well randomised deck. In my experience, it would take an unfeasible amount of overhand shuffling to break up this pattern thoroughly.
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The best way to shuffle is always do it yourself! If you let other people shuffle your cards someone will always try to riffle the cards you have put in sleeves! When dealing with none sleeved cards I usually riffle and strip seven times. With those pesky sleeved cards Ill usually do a few over hand shuffles and a few fake random pile placement shuffling.
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With high quality cards, I riffle shuffle. After each one, I pull the middle out and then cut the stack that I pulled from the middle. Riffle shuffle again and repeat until satisfied. This helps a lot in a game like Pandemic where you turn in 5 of the same color to cure a disease. There are only 12 of each color, so if you don't shuffle the well, you may end up screwing yourself next game.

Strat-o-Matic Pro Basketball has low quality cards that cannot be bent, so the riffle shuffle is not an option. The game does not use suits and pairs, but rather it is an "action deck" and the only thing that matters is sequential order. Because of that, I created the "strat-o-matic shuffle" for such cards:

Pull the top card off and place it in your other hand. Now, take the next card and place it on TOP of the 1-card pile in your other hand (it's already out of sequential order). Take the next card and place it UNDER your 2 card stack, then over, under, over, under, etc. Viola! Shuffled.

In Pandemic, when I draw an Epidemic card, that creates a small pile to re-shuffle. I don't like to riffle shuffle a small pile because it bends the cards too much. I utilize the strat-o-matic shuffle with it, and then do 10 random shuffles (re-arranging a random amount of cards). It works well.

Hope that helps.
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Sho'-Nuff!

airjudden wrote:
With high quality cards, I riffle shuffle. After each one, I pull the middle out and then cut the stack that I pulled from the middle. Riffle shuffle again and repeat until satisfied. This helps a lot in a game like Pandemic where you turn in 5 of the same color to cure a disease. There are only 12 of each color, so if you don't shuffle the well, you may end up screwing yourself next game.

Strat-o-Matic Pro Basketball has low quality cards that cannot be bent, so the riffle shuffle is not an option. The game does not use suits and pairs, but rather it is an "action deck" and the only thing that matters is sequential order. Because of that, I created the "strat-o-matic shuffle" for such cards:

Pull the top card off and place it in your other hand. Now, take the next card and place it on TOP of the 1-card pile in your other hand (it's already out of sequential order). Take the next card and place it UNDER your 2 card stack, then over, under, over, under, etc. Viola! Shuffled.

In Pandemic, when I draw an Epidemic card, that creates a small pile to re-shuffle. I don't like to riffle shuffle a small pile because it bends the cards too much. I utilize the strat-o-matic shuffle with it, and then do 10 random shuffles (re-arranging a random amount of cards). It works well.

Hope that helps.
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For standard card-type games I tend to use a reverse-riffle shuffle as I feel that it is less damaging to the cards.

When playing something like Ticket to Ride or Alhambra were sets of matching cards are traded in at the one time I tend to have four or five seperate discard piles and place the cards into seperate piles so that no two matching cards are placed next to each other. When more cards are needed we simply put all the discard piles together and give them a single shuffle and cut.

 
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The reverse riffle shuffle that David is describing is known as the 'Faro' shuffle. It's one that I demonstrated to him quite a while ago. I learnt it from an old-ish book on card magic that I have called 'Expert card technique' by Hugard & Braue.

You can see a number of video presentations of this shuffle on the net. It takes a bit of practice, but is well worth it (and looks pretty impressive too!).

In theory, (from the 'magic' side of it) if you have the abilty to perform this shuffle perfectly, it will return the deck to it's original order after eight shuffles. In practice, I've never heard of anybody that can consistantly perform this feat, although there is a video of Adam West performing this routine once on YouTube. If you wish to view this, the link is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lNk7bfkFq8



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For games like Condottiere or Slide 5, I shuffle once, then scatter the deck on the table. Everybody grabs the number of cards they need. Simple and fast.

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You can riffle pretty much any type of card if you use your thumbs on the corners and just riffle the two halves at the corners. Then you slide the deck together. There is no danger of bending the cards since you just barely lift up the corners as opposed to a "normal" riffle where you are virtually bending the deck in half.
 
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I used to be horrible at shuffling and used to dread it, passing my unsleeved cards to other players only to cringe with the bridging techniques they were using.

So I determined to do a bit of research and practice practice practice.

This is the technique I use now...

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Yes, that is the exact method I use. The key is to shuffle at the corners as shown. You can then shuffle even the smallest and thinnest cards without damage.
 
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