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Rodney Clowsewitz
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Assuming of course that a wargame collection can be completed.





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The Campaign for North Africa


eat that, Tony

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Hatepig wrote:
Assuming of course that a wargame collection can be completed.


I completed mine very simply by narrowing my focus. I decided I wanted to specialize in tactical level games (man-to-man, squad or platoon sized units), set in the 20th Century, published before January 1st, 2000, depicting land warfare (historical battles, not science fiction, fantasy, etc.)

It took some research to complile a list of which games I needed; BGG definitely helped, as did grognard.com and vintage magazines.

Took some risky bidding on auction sites, and probably overpaying at sites like Troll & Toad once or twice, but I got onto the objective and am now reasonably happy.

Good collectors will always set goals; not just games, but any kind of collectors - military badges, salt and pepper shakers, whatever. A good collection should have some definition for it to be considered 'complete'. Otherwise, it's just a random mish-mash of "stuff I like."

It's the same advice for other types of collections; if you go to a militaria show, you can spend 10,000 dollars and walk away with bags full of goodies - but not much of a "collection."

But if you narrow your focus to "Cap badges of British Army regiments 1914-1918" and frame them according to county, or mate them with shoulder titles and divisional patches, etc., you suddenly have a collection that has become more focused, more interesting, and inherently more valuable.
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Haring wrote:
The Campaign for North Africa


eat that, Tony

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Re: How would you build a "complete" wargame collection with the fewest games possible?

If the games you have scratch all of your gaming itches, then your collection is complete.
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In all seriousness, at one time I started a similar quest - to identify the best Strategic game for each period, and the same goes for certain battles.

To that path led madness as it was found that within each specific sub-genre, the best was elusive and often required multiple games to complete the search.


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Theoretically, all you need to buy is the only game you want to play, and your collection is complete.

Your question is similar to "how far do I need to walk to see the horizon" ?

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Re: How would you build a "complete" wargame collection with the fewest games possible?

If the games you have scratch all of your gaming itches, then your collection is complete.


For a true collector, there's a distinction between having a collection, and just having a bunch of games that one plays.

Not many are, or want to be, a true collector any more than every collector wants to play all the games in their collection. The attraction of wargaming is that it can appeal to people with such a wide spectrum of interests.
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I'd hate to think my collection was ever complete.

I would try Michael's method of narrowing my areas of interest but that's no help. For example, I already have several games on the Arnhem campaign but know I will still be buying It Never Snows.

I can only wish you luck.
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Much depends on what a person's idea of "complete" means. Social players will have different criteria than historical gamers. Competitive gamers have their own ideas. Even among the historical gamers, completeness might be defined in a narrow way (all games in a particular genre, say "squad-level WWII tactical wargames, or period such as all strategic civil war games). Some gamers want a complete collection of a particular series, such as the "Great Battles of the American Civil War." And then there are the collectors. If you are collector, how much is enough?

I have about 1260 games. I've owned close to a total of 2000 different titles over my lifetime. My collection is complete for me. But I also shuck titles that others cannot believe I would let go of. I don't consider myself a "collector" but a game player so if a new edition of a game is published, the older edition gets auctioned off. If I feel a particular title is better than anything else out there, the other related titles go out the door. If I simply KNOW I am not ever going to play a particular game again, I let it go (with the exception of most of the magazine games, just so the magazines are "complete").

That means my SPI collection--save for S&T games--plummeted dramatically. Why should I hang onto my old Highway to the Reich (first and second editions) game when the new DG version is a significant improvement and MMP's The Devil's Cauldron: The Battles for Arnhem and Nijmegen and Where Eagles Dare are even better (but takes a LOT more space--yet less time--to play). I pitched both my copies of The Campaign for North Africa when DAK2 came out and don't miss them. And why in the world would I hang onto Terrible Swift Sword when I've got Summer Storm: The Battle of Gettysburg, This Hallowed Ground, and The Three Days of Gettysburg (third edition)?

I thought I'd reached the point where games coming in will equate to games going out, but we now see designs on conflicts that never were well covered before, if at all. So my collection is still growing (just got White Dog Games' All is lost to me: Pavia 1525 in the mail yesterday as one example). Will I ever play all these games in my "complete" collection? Of course not. But I know that I want to.

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*In an attempt to answer the unanswerable*

The best games with the most diverse mechanics and theme, without redundancy I can think of is:

Paths of Glory
Hammer of the Scots
ASL (or Up Front)
Napoleon's Triumph
Fields of Fire
Here I Stand
Eastfront (or No Retreat!)
Sekigahara
Wings of War
Space Hulk
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Ashiefan wrote:
I'd hate to think my collection was ever complete.

I'd love to think mine was. But I've broken out of my set boundaries so many times that I've pretty well lost hope.

One thing that helps is that I don't like collecting games just to have them. I only want to own the ones I'm actually playing--and expect to continue playing from now on. So, to be part of my "collection," a game has to be appealing now and also highly replayable.

Problems arise for me because my tastes and interests change. I thought Wargame X would get played over and over all my life, but now I don't want to play it anymore; I wish I had Wargame Y instead. Meanwhile, Wargame Z is on somebody's P500 list and is looking very promising.


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Re: How would you build a "complete" wargame collection with the fewest games possible?
Sitnam wrote:
*In an attempt to answer the unanswerable*

The best games with the most diverse mechanics and theme, without redundancy I can think of is:

Paths of Glory
Hammer of the Scots
ASL (or Up Front)
Napoleon's Triumph
Fields of Fire
Here I Stand
Eastfront (or No Retreat!)
Sekigahara
Wings of War
Space Hulk

OMG HoS?
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I would not hope to pursue such an endeavor. Every wargame in the marketplace is flawed in some way, and each has a particular focus that makes it unique. I could never define my wargaming tastes such that I could identify some sort of 'optimal' games list. As an example, I own at least a half dozen Battle of the Bulge games, and each has its own particular charms and warts, and none replace any of the others (there are multiple trade-offs in terms of ease of play, component quality, historical simulation value, time required to play, space required to set up, mechanisms, and so forth - this can be a very long list). It doesn't help that my interests in wargaming cross all sorts of borders (tactical to operational to strategic, ancients to modern combat, land to naval to air combat, etc.). For me at least, this would be an impossible task.
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That just about covers it, no?

Seriously, There's no list that covers all, but there is a list that would probably work well for you, but it depends on your preferences. A lot depends on these 4 areas:

1) Interest. If, for instance, you like the American Revolution and the French & Indian War, I would say Washington's War and Wilderness War. If you had no interest in those at all (much like I am with Napoleon), then why waste your time with a game that doesn't catch your interest?

2) Complexity Limits. Let's say you really like WWII/Pacific. If you love a complex game, I would say something like Empire of the Sun or Pacific War. If you wanted a lighter game, I would say something like Victory in the Pacific or Pacific Victory. I personally love EotS, but it's about a 14-20 hour beast to play and is a very hard game for me to wrap my Forest Gump brain around. I do love it, though, but I'm not going to say its a must for everybody.

3) Interface. Then there is the factor of how you play them: Face to face/ VASSAL / Solitaire? If you only play solitaire, then that will eliminate some, ditto for VASSAL.

4) Scope. Do you have a preference between strategic, operational, or tactical? If you a have a strong preference for or against, that will change it.
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Assuming of course that a wargame collection can be completed.






Do you mean a complete collection of games made in Canada? Or ones about Canada or with Canadians doing something valuable in them?

I guess I'm asking what is your criteria. Ol Mikey here has a list of tactical games made b4 2000. Thats a collection with definition.
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hipshot wrote:
OMG HoS?
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Yeah, I know, it's just what came to mind for that era and mechanics.

How about Maria instead?
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Well there are a lot of categories. You need the best in each. Strategic games for each war. Operational games are often covered by scenarios of a strategic game. Tactical games when weapons advaced. Figures can be substituted for tactical and grand tactical. I am Scottish and we were involved in a lot of wars against the English and then as part of the empire which colours the 39 categories I think are significant.

Space ship to ship.

Near future. China - US strategic.
Arab-Israeli
Korea

Vietnam
Falklands
Hypothetical cold war gets hot;
Nuclear War,
Strategic conventional,
Ship to ship guided missile,

Plane to plane guided missile.
Afghanistan
Iran-Iraq
US-Iraq 1&2
World War II;
Strategic covering Europe and Pacific

East Front divisional operational

Naval carrier strike.
Squad vehicle level
 

World War I;
Strategic,

Aerial dogfights,
Squad in trench,
Battleships.
Boer War
Franco-Prussian
American Civil War
Crimean
Napoleonic;
Strategic.
Grand Tactical e.g. Waterloo,

Age of sail ship to ship.
American War of Independence

Seven years war.
War of the Spanish Succession.
English Civil War
Thirty Years War.
Strategic,
A siege e.g. La Rochelle
Scottish independence.
100 years War.
Crusades.
Hastings.
Ancients;
Grand Tactical pre-gunpowder e.g Cannae and Asculum;
Ship to ship oars and rams.
A seige

Many wars I have missed out. They didn't affect the UK or the weapons were already covered. e.g.
Indo-Pakistan
Poland-USSR
Balkan Wars
Russo-Japanese
Spanish-American
Poland's Partitions
Russo Turkish.
Italian Unification
War of 1812







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Nothing wrong with HoS as a choice.

It is part of a popular family of games (relatively simple Columbia Games) and many would consider it the pick of the litter from that bunch. So a good choice as it represents well.
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hipshot wrote:
Hatepig wrote:
Assuming of course that a wargame collection can be completed.






Do you mean a complete collection of games made in Canada? Or ones about Canada or with Canadians doing something valuable in them?

I guess I'm asking what is your criteria. Ol Mikey here has a list of tactical games made b4 2000. Thats a collection with definition.



Preferably games made in Canada by Canadians about Canada with a rule book containing no less than three John Candy references.
Keep in mind I already own Planes, Trains and Automobiles: Onward to Italy and SSCTV.
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I am slowly getting there...

http://boardgamegeek.com/collection/user/Garfink?own=1&subty...
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