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I don't know what happened in January. From a standing start I got
through 8,000 words on various articles. Here are the Sumos and
Gamer's Notebook, look out for another piece in Counter soon.

Will it last?

http://www.funagain.com/control/viewblog?id=1&fromrd=14607

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sumo wrote:
Will it last?


One can hope! Though I see you've taken a potshot at my favorite Pergamon, so I've got my eye on you, Mike...
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Ah, good. Now I've read the piece and see that you DID like Pergamon (sekiwake is the 3rd place category, right?), which I thought was the best "classic style euro" from last year. What is that--1990s style?

Also 100% agreed that A Few Acres of Snow is the best game of the year (among the ones I played).
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Mark, which Pergamenmon is Mike discussing? The Eisenstein game or "the Euro"?

Great to see you back Mike. Rallyman is sublime, I'm considering learning French so I can go taunt on the World Rallyman Cup forums! I am surprised at the rules issues - I haven't spotted any major problems, so with your pedigree...?
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I wonder, with 'a few acres of snow' still being so highly rated, are people aware that the game as published was broken and wallace issued a new set up, that likely hasn't changed the issue, and does this effect anyone's opinion of the game.

Which leads to a 2nd point, do people play games enough times now to discover dominant strategies and thus, should a dominant strategy be considered a flaw?
 
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I mean Pergamon, the euro by Dorra and Linde, published by eggertspiele and Gryphon.

As for AFAoS, Mike referred to the rules tweak in his article, so he's clearly aware. I've played the game a couple dozen times (mostly thanks to the online implementation at Yucata.de), and that's both before & after the modification. In fact, I was trounced in one of the "data collection" games where the Halifax Hammer was being tested extensively. I loved the game before the "fix" and I still love it after. Like Mike, the fact that I am so excited to play regardless of the play balance or outcome tells me something. Nonetheless, I'm pleased Martin was able to devise a rapid, effective, and non-invasive fix (i.e., you don't need to wait for a second edition).
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yes - there is a "fix" - but if you've followed a very long and detailed thread - it might only be a "fix" in name only.... that said - there still only appears to be one efficient strategy.

Now if most people only play the game 2-5 times before moving on, and they don't discover the strategy, does the major flaw detract from the game?

Its just a question that can AfAoS be a great game if it is flawed, if not broken, and does it matter if most people won't play it enough to discover that?

I'm not sure why i care, but all the praise that is being thrown at this imperfect game hits a sore spot on me. I do wonder a little how much of that praise exists because it is a wallace game and if it would still be there if it came out of a generic hasbro box....
 
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easterly1 wrote:
I'm not sure why i care, but all the praise that is being thrown at this imperfect game hits a sore spot on me. I do wonder a little how much of that praise exists because it is a wallace game and if it would still be there if it came out of a generic hasbro box....


Bingo - I think the designer certainly helps in this case. I typically don't enjoy Wallace games, but quite liked my 3 games of AFAOS. However, the stigma of the "broken game" threads prompted me to move it on. Strangely enough, I was expecting to loathe Ankh-Morpork, but in factloved it, and bought a copy.

No surprise to see Mike think so highly of AFAOS though. The game play is solid, and I think Wallace games regularly win his top gong. God's Playground, Age of Industry, etc.
 
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Pergamon is very good.

Pergamemnon was okay, but the rules were vague.

I played AFAoS about eight or nine times. I avoided reading about the 'broken' game as I was having a lot of fun anyway.

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Re: Gamer's Notebook
I take your point on whether people play enough. Normally not I suspect.

My counter point is that if BGG didn't exist, I might play AFAoS ten, twenty, thirty times without working out (or being able to implement) a killer strategy.

So do you object to the praise, or Wallace, or the game?

I have to assure you that if AFAoS was by Jim Normal and published by Hasbro, I would still rate it my favourite of the year.

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yes - there is a "fix" - but if you've followed a very long and detailed thread - it might only be a "fix" in name only.... that said - there still only appears to be one efficient strategy.

Now if most people only play the game 2-5 times before moving on, and they don't discover the strategy, does the major flaw detract from the game?

Its just a question that can AfAoS be a great game if it is flawed, if not broken, and does it matter if most people won't play it enough to discover that?

I'm not sure why i care, but all the praise that is being thrown at this imperfect game hits a sore spot on me. I do wonder a little how much of that praise exists because it is a wallace game and if it would still be there if it came out of a generic hasbro box....
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