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CryoMax wrote:
FWIW, they look about the same to me, on Chrome (my usual browser) and IE9 64-bit. I noticed the background grid was a little off, but then realized it's because my two windows weren't the same width, and if I resized one, I could get them to align the same.

I didn't see any unusual kerning issues in "unicoherent" on either one.

This lack of difference, though, may be because IE9 is now using Webkit to render content. Up until IE9, IE had their own homegrown rendering engine, which is one of the primary reasons why IE sucked monkeyballs...

...Paul (not looking for reward, just helping out a fellow webdev)


The grid isn't at all meant to align with the table cells. In fact it's specifically meant NOT to. The page blends mess with order, and having the grid match up perfectly would ground everything on top of it as ordered. Too much order. Plus other reasons. Here's how my thinking went (more or less).

When I looked at the word jumble with a plain white background I didn't like it. The words were just floating in space. I didn't like the sides of the jumble to look empty - I wanted to create a sense that the words filled the whole page. I thought adding a grid in the background would emphasize the structure of the "jumble" simply because the horizontal words would be aligned with the horizontal grid lines and the vertical words with the vertical lines. Also, if the background grid DID perfectly enclose every word it the words would seem separated, whereas I wanted them to merge into one whole rather than many pieces, not only because I wanted, visually, a single image, but also to emphasize how each link is related to the others.

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also making the grid match up perfectly would have required a lot more effort than allowing it to be unrelated :D


 
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chuckhazard wrote:
How interesting. I'm sorry I don't have any more time to devote to this at the moment, but I have a quick fix for you. I discovered that this problem goes away when the table has borders.

Add this CSS:

#table1 td {
border: 1px solid transparent;
}




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a change as small as the smallest sigh
the butterfly flaps its wings to fly

(that butterfly cliche always makes me think of strange attractors (the mathematical objects that people always mention the butterfly -> hurricane saying when they talk about them). I've always (ever since my junior year of high school when I first encountered them in my differential equations course) considered them the most beautiful objects in math. Since I got a degree in art as well as math people assume geometry is my favorite mathematical subject, but it isn't at all. Geometry may or may not be the most "visual" subject in math, but it certainly isn't the most "beautiful". A glance through "A Topological Picture Book" should be enough to convince anyone of that.)
(Um, sorry for the ramble... it's an occasional bad habit of mine.)

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Random comment to Paul

CryoMax wrote:

...Paul (not looking for reward, just helping out a fellow webdev)


hahaha, I just noticed that you refer to me as a "fellow webdev". Despite the shocking fact that I have actually been paid to create webpages on 2 occasions I am a total dilettante when it comes to making webpages. I like to make pages look pretty, but I can't really create a page that DOES something. Want me to make you a page for your store and include an online checkout feature - waaaayyyy over my head. The little I know about creating pages capable of real user interaction (taking and responding to user input in a textfield, say) I learned when I decided that AJAX was becoming important enough that I should learn about it. I wrote up some text files with notes on how to do stuff like that, but none of what I read about ajax had anything to do with how the page LOOKED so I just couldn't get into it. It went right in one ear and out the other. In order create a page that handles input of any sort I would have to look back over my notes. I could do it, but it's not something I KNOW. Even relatively basic html tags I often have to look up on the web because I just use the info so infrequently.

Summary:

A webdev develops webpages, thinks about function, plans ahead for turnover, and in the end produces a well-planned site that is USEABLE

I cobble together poorly coded rectangles, usually containing information, that I try to make visually memorable. It is a site to be looked at, nothing more. (even when the page is conveying information it is merely being looked at - especially so since I take so much trouble over choosing fonts).


Don't get me wrong, I'm proud of some of the pages I've made, but when it comes to making sophisticated pages, I can only (try to) make visually sophisticated pages, not technically sophisticated ones.


 
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With IE, the first step is always ensuring you have a valid doctype and your code is correct. It's mentioned in the linked articles throughout this thread, but the first culprit in IE is often Quirks Mode: in the absence of a doctype, or a well-formed doctype, IE will switch into quirks mode and display the page like it's 1999.

Also if you have any content that comes before the doctype, including comments, IE will go into quirks mode.

If your code is correct and you still have bugs, the next place you should go is http://positioniseverything.net/ -- a legendary tome on curious IE bugs and how to attack them..
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I'm a little late to the party, but here's something that may help also:

Add this to your CSS file:

/* All */
p,ol,ul,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h5,h6,a,td,tr {
margin: 0 0 1em 0;
}
 
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dustinfertilla wrote:
IE sucks because it was invented by Al Gore.


Actually, IE sucks because it is a microsoft product.
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Re: 80 GG for anyone who can tell me why IE sucks**
DeltaAlphaBravo wrote:
I bought a car 10 years ago. I don't change its oil and I may have put the tires on backwards.. Now all the sudden it shakes when I drive on the new express way. Works great on the gravel roads.
New express ways suck. Can anyone tell me why?


Yes but it will cost you 80 GG.
 
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I could write a book about IE issues I've need to fight for, and how much it stopped to use css3 super cool and practical features...Anyway, sorry if I have not read through all thread, but I'm seeing IE mentioned generally, while there's a huge difference between IE6, IE7, 8, and 9. I would say 9 is almost sweet. Have little problems with it. Indeed, it mostly has yet problems with certain jqueries (javascript) but many weirder issues are gone. Anyway, my biggest pain was IE6, but seems a lot of companies (ie, my work place) is abandoning IE6 support. Still, any non updated Windows XP can have that (self censored) thing in the computer...

Heck, IE6 means no PNG transparency, bad box model, many designs broken, and a large etc. I know all the fixes, and there's many workarounds, but it duplicates the work to end up often with a not so nice IE 6 page version...Besides many of the fixes wont validate...

Edit: Firefox fan here. Back in 98, Netscape had a lot of issues for a web coder, too... Opera had lots of them in the past years, as well as Safari. Where I work we need to support all (Chrome tends to behave as nicely as Firefox). And I would say all modern versions do have a sweet support of most things. Is just IE6 is largely aged (besides that little tiny habit of MS not respecting the standards...)
 
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