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Heyo everyone!

I wrote a controversial review of Dungeon Twister and got 2.83333 Geek Gold for it(???)
I thought you get one GeekGold per review?
And someone mentioned in a reply something about me getting 3 GG for reviewing and expressing his dislike since he thinks it's a session report...
Is that why I got less GeekGold than the amount he mentioned?
Anyway just curious, me, don't want to complain about getting too few (or too much ^^).
I made peace with the thought of spending a lot of time on the site before owning an avatar...

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Geek users moderate the acceptance of reviews and session reports. They can award 1-5 GG for each at their discretion. Lately it seems, the worse the review, the more GG it gets. So if you want a badge quickly, submit a lot of really tiny reviews. In fact, if you submit 2 reviews for the same game, you can get 5-6 GG, even if you subsequently delete one of them. :(
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Someone who's been around a lot longer can verify if I'm thinking correctly on this. There is a possible of UP TO 3 GG for each review. Based on criteria that I won't even allude to understanding, you can earn up to that 3GG. Hence you're 2.83333. I did a review on Entdecker today and the write up page stated "there is up to 3GG available for a review on this game" or some similar statement. I earned 2.40GG... leading me to believe that my review was actually pretty good, tho not quite what it could have been.

Again, one of the oldtimers can confirm or deny this for us.
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Re: How much GG do you get for a review?
Well, I'm not an old timer but I do feel strongly about any submission that is rewarded for geek gold, a review takes a certain level of knowledge of a game and several plays to get right, any review which sums up the rules to the game needs to get them correct, or at least needs to be quickly corrected if inaccuracies are spotted).

I've written seven reviews all of which have earned me 3 or more GG, I put a lot of thought into them have run all but the very first through a spell/grammar checker before posting and often times double check my rule books after writing (but before posting) the reviews, all are based on at least 4 plays of the game, usually much more (depending ont the game's complexity), I try to avoid 100% rule summaries as I do not want to plagarize rule books.

I see a lot of short reviews, less than a paragraph and even more session reports passed off as reviews. Not saying that's what the OP here has done, clearly there are review elements to your Dungeon Twister review1, just noting general trends.

It is my personal belief that a review needs to be slightly more than just personal opinion, a certain amount of objectivity must be contained, a good reviewer can say "I didn't like this game for X reason, but those who don't mind that would like this game", a review is a tool to help people understand and determine wether or not they would like a game. The ability for a reviewer to step out of thier own box and look at a game from someone elses perspective is invaluable.

For my own reviews I've taken a particular angle (playing games in a pub), for such a review the cardboard components of Dungeon Twister would score some major negative points, however for an average game-players home this may or may not be as major a negative.

Other points you decried about Dungeon Twister - expansions causing it to be a cash-cow, your (somewhat incorrect) perception on luck driven combat - are highly opinionated (clearly expressed by the comments left by others in your review), indeed the existence or planning of expansions for a game say nothing about wether or not a game is good on its own.

Lastly a quick word on formatting; Reviews are a GG cash-cow and the effort gone in should represent what you get out of it, a wall of poorly or unformatted text should not be as valuable as well formatted review. This is something I strive to improve with each review I write.

Now, all that above said anyone who wishes to write should always strive for improvement, try to make your next review better than the last and I'm sure you'll find the community more forgiving, and more GG in your pocket, sometimes we take a step back but as long as the geenral trend is one of forward momentum your contributions to this community will not be overlooked. Do not get discouraged by critisizm but use it as a tool to do better next time.

It is also an excellent idea to find a game in youyr collection that is lacking a review (or maybe only has one) and working to review it, these are more valuable than reviews for games that already have a half dozen or so already (unless you can come up with a unique slant)

Well above is my opinion and I hope it is helpful, I'm sure some of you will find my philosiphy on "objective review" content controversial.
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Thank you, Eli. Tipped!
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Thanks for your comments Eli, just one comment on my intentions with my review:
I wrote it to give an opinion about the game, so in its very nature it is opinionated, and I did it because I wanted to give BGG-Users a different point of view of the game, since all the other reviews are extremely positive, something I simply could not share. That is what I wanted to express, and I would dare to call it a unique slant.
There are always two sides of a coin, and I wanted to show the scratched one (think Two-Face's coin^^). So putting my review with the session reports would have been beside the point, I did not write it to bolster my ego (or my GG-wallet) but to play Advocatus Diaboli (it is my true opinion, though).
As said in the thread, it is much easier to find positive reviews for a game since people who own a game will often like it. I don't like it and this makes it hard for me to play it very often, I divulge the fact that my review is based on one play-through, and my review does not talk enough about how I actually played the game to qualify as a session report.
And honestly, is one more entry in the reviews section really all that much of an issue (would be one more entry in the sessions section otherwise), since anyone not liking the fact that it is based on one play can find that out easily after reading the first lines and skip it.
I strive to enrich the scope of BGG with this review(if accomplished or not is an altogether different matter, but I can at least try), something I surely won't put under the boot of a sorting system.
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Opinions are good--positive or negative--as long as they have context. Most reviews have at least a little of both.
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Inedded an "opinion" and a "review" in my eyes are two different things, one is merely a counterpoint the other is supposed to be a compelte picture. It is the job of a reviewer to take in the whole of a game discuss both its merits and its flaws and reach an overall conclusion. A review must also provide a reader with enough information to determine wether or not they would like the game despite the viewers opinions (I could rant against certain well known film reviewers on this point and indeed I've seen Roger Ebert take other film critics to task over this exact issue, even though he has been guilty of just this take from time to time).

For me the issue is what should be posted as its own review and what is merely a comment that should be attached to other reviews. The old forum rule of "does this post merit its own thread?" applies to reviews in online communities such as this. In this a review should be complete including somewhat detailed descriptions of rules and systems, components, etc... if you're relying on another review to provide the bulk of information then one shoudl consider making thier opinions a matter of another review.

Now, that said I am not singling you out Ben, there has been a dramatic decrease in the quality of reviews in general in just the 4 months I have been a BGG member. I started years ago by writing reviews on RPG.net and have carried that over to BGG as my interests shifted away from RPGs and toward Boardgames. Over there reviews wer enot rewarded in any way, but they had different types of reviews including Playtest, capsule, etc... I think a system like that would benefit here, short reviews which do not go into depth but give an overall opinion (think of the "reviews" sometimes written inside a book jacket) could still be rewarded but not to the level of more in depth and researched reviews, even placing the top rated (thumbs?) of these short reviews in thier full text at the bottom of each game page could help generate interest in those games.

But I'm off on a tangent....
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IndianaJones wrote:
I wrote a controversial review of Dungeon Twister and got 2.83333 Geek Gold for it(???)
I thought you get one GeekGold per review?
And someone mentioned in a reply something about me getting 3 GG for reviewing and expressing his dislike since he thinks it's a session report...

Until shortly, it way 3 GG for a review, and 1 GG for a session report.

Now that it's moderated by users, the people can vote what they think the review/report is worth. Unfortunately, most people stick to the default - 3 GG review, 1 GG session report.

For me, a review should tell me what the game is about. And preferably in a way, that i can judge wheter i will like it or not (no matter if the reviewer likes it).

Your review is quite useless as it is, unless i've read several other reviews to become familar with the game before it. But it isn't just a session report. So i voted to approve it, but with only 1 GG reward. So i'm one of the people resposible to the strange amount.

To stay in the thread, thesama's review are much more detailed, so she should be rewarded by a bigger amount of GG than yours.

(edit: spelling errors)
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Just a clarification:

.I don't really care if I get one or three GG or whatever. To me it sounds like you think I'm complaining, I am not. I simply try to understand the scoring system, I am a curious person, not a greedy one.

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