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Warmachine Journeyman in Arizona

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I have decided I will run a Journeyman League for the local store in Tempe, AZ. This is not something my personality is well-suited to doing, but I want to play and there didn't seem to be anyone else who was going to do it.

Instead of running it weekly, we're going to have it run over a month and let people play when they can. It will give those of us with busy schedules and different availability times a chance to try and schedule a meeting time that will work to get in games. It will also let anyone who has a limited budget get involved because it will spread out the costs of the army over six months.

We're going to start the first of October and I am hoping to get eight to 12 players. If you know any people interested in playing in a Warmachine/Hordes Journeyman League in the central-east part of the Phoenix area, point them here.
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This was my first game using the Warmachine MK3 rules. Because BGG has yet to add Warmachine MK3 to the database, all my links are to the MKII items. The Game Depot hosted a play day because it was a Saturday Tony was free to play all day, so they scheduled it. I was running late and he and Ira played a game. After they were done got the chance to play.

I played a standard caster-kill game against Tony who was running Cygnar. I arrived with four possible armies using the three warcasters I had. When I was ready to play, I decided on the warjack-centric list.

My Protectorate of Menoth list:

Sovereign Tristan Durant (-28 pts.)
• Crusader (10 pts.)
• Reckoner (16 pts.)
• Vanquisher (17 pts.)
• Redeemer (11 pts)
• Vigilant (9 pts.)
• Hierophant (3 pts.)

Choir of Menoth (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6 pts.)

Allegiant of the Order of the Fist (3 pts.)
Vassal of Menoth (3 pts.)


Tony’s Cygnar list:

Commander Coleman Stryker (-30 pts.)
• Centurion (17 pts.)
• Defender (16 pts.)
• Lancer (10 pts.)
• Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator (4 pts.)

Trencher Infantry (Leader and 9 Grunts) (16 pts.)

Captain Arlan Strangewayes (4 pts.)
Journeyman Warcaster (4 pts.)
• Charger (9 pts.)


Fist of all I need to point out that both Tony and I cheated in our lists. He should have taken a minimum unit of Trenchers with three Rifle Grenadiers but brought the full unit with them. By the time we realized it, it was too late as the unit was significantly reduced in size and had moved in a position which effected other decisions he made.

When I got home, I realized I cheated, also for Tony, because I didn’t use my Crusader. When I was pulling out the cards for the army, I missed it and didn’t pull the figure.

It was a slow game. I planned to move my monk (the Allegiant of the Order of the Fist) up the right flank and eventually move him into the Cygnar back lines. Tony had the Trenchers on that side and I used a house to screen the monk’s approach. After I did some ranged damage on the Trenchers with the Redeemer’s gun, Tony moved part of the unit around the corner of the house and took a combined ranged shot at the monk. He needed a 10 or 11 to hit (on two dice) and did it. He then did exactly five damage and killed the monk. It was too bad, because I really wanted to use it to frustrate him during the game.

Tony made two errors during the game that really helped me, and all the errors I thought I made were relatively small. I’ll explain them below.

The rest of the game was my using the Choir to make it practically impossible for Tony to shoot my warjacks by making them immune to non-magic ranged attacks. He didn’t press forward with anything for a cople ofturns as I advanced slowly, shooting him with the Redeemer’s many rocket shots, the Vanquisher’s big gun, and Reckoner’s handy gun.

Right after the monk was killed, I used the Vanquisher’s gun to kill quite a few Trenchers and light several more on fire. They had clumped up to get the shot off. So in the end the monk paid for himself by being the demise of the Trenchers that shot him.

Tony’s first mistake was charging the Vigilant with the Lancer. That brought it up where the Vanquisher could crush it. About the same time, I ran the Reckoner behind some woods close to his line and parked him there, creating a no-man's land that Tony would have to contest with something, exposing his back to the Redeemer and Vanquisher, or if he advanced past it, I would be able to shoot in his back with the Reckoner.

This was a stand off from this point. Tony was picking off Choir members, but only one a turn, or none some turns. I was damaging his warjacks little by little. He lost the Journeyman Warcaster and reactivated the Charger with Strangewayes. But I was able to disable the Defender’s hammer, so the Reckoner came out from behind the woods. Then charged the Defender and it was over from there.

I did get to run the Vigilant up through the woods on the right, then slam the Reinholt into Stryker. That’s right, I made an assassination run with a Vigilant! It didn’t kill him, but it did damage him. The next turn, all he had left was the Centurion and a wounded Stryker. I was going to win so we called the game.

Tony’s other big mistake was using the Centurion to screen Stryker and nothing else. It was a waste of points in the middle of the army. He could have used it to charge in and try and break my line, and probably should have. I would have left the Lancer to shield-guard Stryker and used the Centurion to attack. We talked about how he might tweak the list to make it better.

I was happy with how my list worked and it really was a very good choice against the army Tony chose. I did not know what he was playing when I chose it, just that it was a Cygnar list. When I get my figures back from Ken of Rogues Gallery Productions, my painter, I would probably switch out the monk or the Vassal for a Mechanik or two and tweak the list a little that way.

I still had problems activating things in order. There were times when I want to activate Durant and cast a spell that helped the warjacks with melee attacks, but forgot. I had other minor issues during the game, but never asked for a take back. I wanted to learn by enforcing the consequences of the mistakes.

I do not like building 50-point armies in MK3. While they match up with the 35-point lists I liked in MKII, the relative point reduction of the warjacks makes it really, really hard to take a unit that takes up 16 to 20+ points in the list. That can be two heavy-hitting warjacks, and I always want to take a pair of units: one to hit hard and one to support/protect the other. I guess I need to get used to the new design strategy?

Now to re-read the rules and see what I may have done wrong and discover things I should have tried.
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Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:39 am
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Help Bobby learn to play Menoth, or “Forcing an idiot focus!”

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Since I am getting back into playing Warmachine and trying a new faction, I thought I would ask for some help. I posted the following on the Privateer Press forums and thought I would cross-post here with some minor edits.

Help Bobby learn to play Menoth, or “Forcing an idiot focus!”

I’m looking for advice on how to best learn to be an effective Protectorate of Menoth player. They look like the best faction to learn the intricacies of playing of the game and for recognizing and using the synergies of the game. I've never been good at staying with one faction or warcaster to really learn how to play and hope I can use the launch of the new edition to get better experience and learn how to make the game work for me.

About my experience.

I never played Warmachine MK1. I bought some mercenary figures, but after having some issues with building some of the warjacks, I opened the infantry models and was completely irritated by the sheer number of parts for the grunts that I gave up painting and building minis for a long time.

By the time of Warmachine MK2, I had come back into minis for smaller games, like Malifaux (speaking of difficult minis). A friend mentioned how most of the warjacks were now plastic. I got sucked in and we played it occasionally. I focused on Khador, with some Rhulics, then picked up some Gatormen and then a lot of Trolls.

I picked up the two-player box and was going to give the Protectorate figures to a friend out of state when I visited but he wasn’t interested. I ended up giving them, with a Choir and Vassal, to a friend here while another friend gave a bunch of old Cryx to someone else to try and get some in the board game group interested. It worked a little. The Menoth player’s family growth led to us seeing him less and less, and the others just weren’t as committed. That meant I played games against one guy who had played since MK1 most of the time and usually got my rear handed to me. Not that I am complaining. Well, except about Thagrosh 2 and MK2 Everblight. Khador I was happy to lose to, but I hated seeing him bring the Legion.

When the all-in-one boxes came out, I had extra hobby money available and ended up getting all of them. I got the core eight built and painted and ran out of steam at the Retribution which is mostly built. The idea was to have full armies that would get some of the slightly interested parties to play. (Protectorate-related, I also grabbed the two-player figures again because they were cheap and used the extra bits from the all-in-one to make Templar instead of a second Vanquisher.)

In the end I managed to get in six whole games with the boxes.

I recorded all my plays on the Board Game Geek.

All my Warmachine games played:
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/plays/thing/67254?userid=1269

All my Hordes plays:
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/plays/thing/74771?userid=1269

A new edition

Now is Warmachine MK3 (which is still not approved and in the database). I am ready to play with people outside of my group. This might fail because I generally have a problem playing against tournament players because of their bad behavior. I just want to have fun. I also am easily irritated by a lot of people. I am not a real social person.

My problems learning the game and playing it well was the limited pool of players. I never learned how to best use the tricks of the system to my advantage. I really wanted to like the Trollbloods, but couldn’t make them work for me. I found the Krielstone to be a huge area of irritant in the middle of my forces that didn’t feel like it gave enough benefit for the points. But all the Troll players love it always take it. Trolls looked like the Protectorate of the Hordes side of things to me, which is another reason why I am going to try Menoth.

Since I already had a good start with the all-in-one and two-player figures, I thought it would be a good learning experience to play Menoth in a Journeyman league since they were all about the stacking buffs. Plus, I already had a bunch of warjacks, the Choir and a Vassal, and their awesome Exemplar Errants. I had also picked up a unit of the Knights Exemplar.

I picked up some extra figures for the league and because I can’t always help myself on eBay, but am at a spending stand-still for a little while. I’d like to use what I have for now. I’d also like to stay with Malekus when I have the chance to switch casters, just so I am forces to work out better strategies with him. One of my issues with the game is it is easy to drop one caster to move onto another because there is always something greener over the fence.

Some thoughts on the Protectorate of Menoth

Not having a lot of accurate range seems to be the biggest issue facing the faction, especially with Cygnar and the good guns that Khador has in MK3. While there are some good Protectorate warjacks with ranged weapons, they look to be hard to integrate in the Journeyman league because of the way the points are added. I suspect that having a character warjack or two might also be important for the faction down the road. Overall, I like the MK2 box over the new one but believe Malekus can be a useful warcaster and the Castigator is a decent second heavy for him to have in his battle group.

The Journeyman League


The battlebox game looks a little tough. I have a slow heavy that is not as good as the other factions’ heavies. Malekus is not a big spell caster so the arc node (which Khador and the Rhules have not prepared me to play) isn’t much of a help, but he looks like he might be one of the better melee casters in the group from the battleboxes.

I have limited experience using light warjacks other than the gun bunnies that are position and shoot.

After skimming the forums, it looks like I would want to use the terrain to force the other players to move into me, hopefully goading them into a funnel so I can take on one at a time. Or have a free-for-all and engage their jacks/beasts and hope Malekus can eliminate their caster.

Khador looks like the toughest match in Week 1. I have their battlebox and Koslov is not a good one-on-one match-up with Malekus. My thought would be running Repenter around the heavies to try and do some damage (or kill him outright) before Makekus could take him on.

Week 2

I was initially going to add a Devout, but looking at the box and the challenges, I am leaning towards adding the Crusader for some punch. I’ll still be slow, but only Cryx looks like they can add a heavy.

Week 3

The Choir and a unit of Knights Exemplar look like my best option. I thought about adding a minimum unit of Exemplar Errants, but they just aren’t as useful as they used to be. This is when the army starts to feel like it is meant to. I have the Choir to help the warjacks.

Week 4

I plan to reduce the Choir to a minimum unit, add the Exemplar Cinerators, the Vassal, the Vassal Mechanik, and the Covenant.

Week 5

I was originally planning to add the Reckoner. I was running a point short because of the Devout but since replacing it with the Crusader, I now have 15 points to work with instead of 16. Unfortunately, 15 points doesn’t seem to be enough to work with to deal with my dearth of ranged attacks, unless I want to toss in a Redeemer for 11 to get the inaccurate ranged attacks. Luckily, I will have some time to see what is being played before making the final decision.

Week 6

I was going to add a minimum unit of Exemplar Errants but now I am not sure and will probably have a better idea after a couple of weeks of the league.


Advice?

This is where you come in. Any advice on playing the box? Are there tricks I should use and traps I can avoid? I plan on posting my experiences and what I learned, so hopefully the experienced folks will tell me how I am being a huge idiot and how I am doing it wrong or how I could improve on what I am doing.

Thanks in advance to anyone who has read this and is even thinking about offering advice.


Available Forces

Just as a reference for anyone who cares, here are the forces I have to work with here in the desert.

Unpainted figures are in italics. I just picked up another battlegroup from the two-player box for less than the cost of a new heavy – these are not included and are unassembled.

I don’t want to spend more money unless I really have to. Things I am currently willing to buy and might on a whim in the near future are some Wracks, a second Mechanik, and maybe a second Vassal. If I make it through the league and am still playing, I will look at other ways to expand as well. I picked up Amon because of all the jack-heavy lists I’ve seen with him and because the store had him and he was not too expensive. I am a little impulsive on my purchases.

Warcasters: Malakus, Kreoss1, Severius1, Amon.

Light Warjacks: Devout, Redeemer, Repenter x2 (1 unpainted), Revenger.

Heavy Warjacks: Castigator, Crusader, Reckoner, Templar, Vanquisher.

Units: Choir of Menoth, Daughters of the Flame, Exemplar Cinerators, Exemplar Errants w/Officer & Standard, Knights Exemplar x2 (one unpainted).

Solos: Covenant of Menoth, Exemplar Errant Seneschal, Hierophant, Knights Exemplar Seneschal, Paladin of the Order of the Wall, Vassal Mechanik, Vassal of Menoth.

Mercenaries

Units: Dannon Blythe & Bull, Herne and Jonne, Horgenhold Artillery Corps, Horgenhold Forge Guard, Lady Aiyanna & Master Holt, Ogrun Assault Corps.

Solos: Eiryss1, Eiryss2, Gorman Di Wulfe, Lord Rockbottom, Rhupert Carvolo.
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The return of steam and fury!

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Warmachine and Hordes are back on my radar. (The latest editions are not yet in the database.)

Privateer Press released new editions late last month, retooling the game. Besides the core rulebooks for each game, they released a battle group starter box for each of the main armies that includes a warcaster or warlock and their battle groups and decks of army stat cards, which update all the released models to the new edition.

The awesome thing about these starters is they literally come with everything a new player would need to learn to play the game and have a small starter force with which to use when playing. Included in the box is a digest-size rulebook, which has all the rules. The book doesn’t include the fluff that the full book has nor does it include the huge chunk of army stats included in each book.

The box also has 10 focus/fury tokens and three spell tokens that are the same quality as the tokens they sell for each faction, though these are generic. The down side is they are a dark gray and any writing on the spell tokens with an erasable marker is going to be hard to read. There is also four dice (a nice quality), a laminated paper ruler, a 2’ x 2’ map that can be used when playing a smaller game (like battle box against battle box), a training manual which has a bunch of scenarios laid out to teach game concepts, and a faction-specific booklet.

The map is two-sided and has marks on one side that correspond to the training manual scenarios so it can be used to walk through the training using the models. The training manual has paper templates spray and area effect in it that are used in the game. These can be copied or cut out.

The faction booklet has a short story, tactics advice for using the figures in the box, a recommended army list to grow the force into, and a second army list using many of the same figures with a different warcaster/warlock. There is also a section on how to paint the figures to match the official studio style.

The starters retail for $40, which is 20% less than the previous starters which really only included the figures and none of the other goodies. I know a lot of people that would pay $15 or $20 just to have the rules digest. They are an amazing deal and really do included everything someone would need to learn to play the game.

I’ve picked up five of the faction decks and broke down and bought the Khador starter because I wanted to get their new warcaster. I built the figures the day I got them and they are in the mail to be painted.

Mike and I have been talking and e-mailing about the new edition, just as he’s also been reinvigorated to play Guild Ball and has bought another faction for that game to try. So it looks like I will be playing some miniatures in the future. From famine to feast.

I’m even considering playing with the unwashed masses (i.e., you and the rest of the public shake) if the Game Depot runs events.

One thing I learned which might interest experienced players. If your store ordered the pre-order launch kit they received a box of cards for the units that they can give out when they sell a figure so people buying the figures which were produced before the current release can get the current cards for the models. So when buying from your FLGS, ask if they have the current cards for figures.
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Painted minis and too many armies!

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As anyone (you know, the three of you) who regularly check out my musings knows, I've been buying all the limited army boxes released by Privateer Press for the Warmachine family of games. All of them. Eleven of them.

There's one problem with getting so many miniatures. I gave up painting a long time ago. I can do it and am not too bad. I was even paid a couple of times to paint for others. But I came to hate doing it. So now I pay people.

Currently, and for the last few years, I've been using Ken of Rogues Gallery Productions. I found him when I bought some figures off someone on eBay and asked who painted them because one of the figures needed touching up. He does really nice table-top quality paint jobs at a very fair price.

Over the years we've chatted through e-mail as well and he's a great guy. I'm pretty sure he's not a BGG user, so I wanted to toot his horn here and direct any of you who were looking for minis painters over to his Facebook page.

I know he's looking for more work right now as he finishes up my Circle Orboros army for Hordes along with some extras from the Two-player Battle Box. Those are the pictures I've spread through here which I just pulled off his page.

When these are done and in my sweaty hands, I will have the core eight factions painted with three more to go. I have a couple of minor things to finish building the Retribution of Scyrah army, the Convergence of Cyriss and Cephalyx armies are sitting in the boxes demanding to be built. I looked at some of the Cephalyx figure in blisters on the wall at the store this past weekend and really, really don't want to mess with the abundance of tiny metal arms on a few of the figures.

Ken's also painted Dreadball, Warpath, Guild Ball, Relic Knights, Pathfinder figures we use for the card game and some others I am sure I am forgetting.

I've also used regular BGG poster Michael Jordal for a couple of figures (awesome job!) and Euen McMurry, who painted most of my Trollbloods figures and a Malifaux crew. You couldn't go wrong with hiring any of them to do your painting.
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I was looking for some neoprene mouse material to make myself some terrain to use for Guild Ball to represent rough ground or slick ground since most 3D terrain can make it hard to move figures or can eve make it impossible for some to stand on. Plus, the neoprene would be easier to transport.

Someone on the Guild Ball forums pointed me to the Neoprene Terrain and Zone Kit for Warmachine and Hordes Kickstarter which ends in about a month and they plan on shipping in November.

You can choose to order just the terrain or the zones, or combine them and save a little cash.

I just wanted to point it out for the more casual mini gamers who might not have heard it about it yet.

The terrain is pictured below.

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AiO Battle 05: Fell Call of the Wild

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Another battle using the army boxes.

I played the Trollbloods all-in-one army box force list:

Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller (-5 pts.)
• Dire Troll Blitzer (9 pts.)
• Dire Troll Mauler (9 pts.)

Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribe (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4 pts.)
Trollkin Champions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10 pts.)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8 pts.)

Shawn played the Khador all-in-one army box force list:

Forward Kommander Sorscha Kratikoff (-6 pts.)
• Demolisher (9 pts.)
• Spriggan (10 pts.)
• War Dog (1 pt.)

Widowmakers (4 pts.)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6 pts.)
• Winter Guard Infantry Rocketeer (x3) (3 pts.)
• Winter Guard Officer & Standard (2 pts.)
Lady Aiyanna & Master Holt (4 pts.)

Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich (2 pts.)

Shawn wanted to play and I suggested the Khador army as being pretty straight forward, so he ran with them. I suggested some changes in his set-up and he ended up having almost everyone in the center, with the Widowmakers on one flank in a forest with Aiyanna and Holt by them with the intent to run up the flank. I was also bunched in the middle, though Trollkin take up more space than men.

Shawn ran the Demolisher up and tried to wipe out the Champions which were advancing up the middle. The nice thing about Trollkin is you can do 20 points of damage past his armor and he might still survive. Mine did, even after being wounded some by the Winter Guard and Widowmakers. He then found out how nasty Champions can be with Grissel's feat which gives the models extra attack dice, especially when the target is down a lot of armor. Scratch one Demolisher.


The Spriggan was in battle with the Warders and fared a little better, still having the lance arm left.

Over by the Demolisher, the Winter Guard also suffered at the hands of the resilient Champions and the Widowmakers were eliminated. The Blitzer managed to take out Holt and get in a pot shot on Sorscha, doing a fair amount of damage. It was looking hopeless, so Shawn charged Grissel with Sorscha, using up precious focus to maneuver so she could make the charge. In the end, she didn't have enough focus and Grissel had more than enough fury to prevent damage. Sure, the Blitzer had to die, but it was worth it as I finally scored a win with Grissel.

Sure, it was against someone who never played, but it was a win.

I am still not a huge fan of the Krielstone Bearers, but my biggest issues when playing these guys is making sure the beasts are free to roam. Having a bunch of 40 mm-based troops takes up a lot of space on the table and I never position my forces to give the beasts the room to wreak havoc on the enemy.

I will play a different army next time. Since I was teaching, I really wanted to play something I was familiar with. I would have played Cygnar, but I wanted to play the alternate list with pHaley and Thorn which needs the Aiyanna and Holt from the Khador list, so that was out. I believe I will either play Skorne or Cryx the next time.
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AiO Battle 04: Insurrection

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This time I was playing Nick during what I hoped would be a day where several of us played multiple games, but it just ended up being Nick and I playing a game because real life and Father's Day weekend interfered.

I played the Trollbloods all-in-one army box force list:

Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller (-5 pts.)
• Dire Troll Blitzer (9 pts.)
• Dire Troll Mauler (9 pts.)

Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribe (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4 pts.)
Trollkin Champions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10 pts.)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8 pts.)

The Retribution of Scyrah had just released and I hadn't quite finished building it, so Nick wanted to try out the Cygnar all-in-one army box force list:

Major Markus "Siege" Brisbane (-5 pts.)
• Avenger (9 pts.)
• Defender (9 pts.)
• Squire Solo (2 pts.)

Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Unit (6) (6 pts.)
• Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer (2 pts.)
Stormguard Unit (10) (9 pts.)

Journeyman Warcaster (3 pts.)

So Grissel was leading a force trying to force out some Cygnar forces that were encroaching on the territories that a Kriel claimed as their own.

When we set up, our deployment areas were a little small because the table we were playing on was not quite four feet by four feet. This is a pain when all the troop figures in a faction have 40 mm bases! I definitely felt crowded and suspect Nick might have as well.

He deployed his Stormguard in the center, the Arcane Tempest Gun Mages to my right, and the battlegroup to my left. Across from his battlegroup I deployed the Champions, then the Krielstone Bearer squished behind them and to the right. I deployed Grissel there with the Warders in the center and the two beasties to the left.

The entire battle amounted to a standoff in the center between the Stormguard and the Warders which did an admirable job standing their ground until Siege popped his feat and all hell broke loose. He dropped a ground pounder on Grissel and almost killed her in one shot. That turn Nick eliminated all but one of the Warders, three of the five Champions, and damaged the big beasties as well. The next turn he finished off Grissel with a shot.

I was definitely not used to playing a Hordes faction. I forgot that I could transfer damage from Grissel to a beast for a focus point and that would have let her ignore the big hit from Siege's attack on his feat turn. Another mistake I made was not keeping the Champions in base to base contact which gives them +2 armor which might have saved a model or two.

The Krielstone Bearer still doesn't seem worth the four points to give one unit +2 armor for a turn, and Grissel is just not my kind of warlock. I also did a poor job of positioning my beasts because they never really got into the fight nor made much of a contribution. Not having a way to ignore the terrain was also a hindrance. An Axer with their animus sure would have helped.

I'm looking forward to playing the Trolls again and trying out some of the other Hordes factions, specially the beast-heavy Legion of Everblight list. Alex was watching and stated a desire to play his Everblight again. It might be a while before we have another Warmahordes-friendly Saturday where a group can play, but I hope to play a few games here and there before we try another one.
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Upgrading the 35-point all-in-one army lists to 50 points

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Here are the 50-point lists for the four base factions from both Warmachine and Hordes. I had done a detailed post on Khador for their 50-point list and their alternate 35-point lists and that was way too much work! So I'm posting the lists and commenting on them.

The ones which are red are the units that were added to the all-in-one box to bring it up to 50 points.

Warmachine factions

Cygnar

Major Markus 'Siege' Brisbane (-5 pts.)
• Avenger (9 pts.)
• Defender (9 pts.)
• Squire (2 pts.)
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (5 pts.)

Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6 pts.)
• Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer (2 pts.)
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4 pts.)
Rangers (5 pts.)
Stormguard (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9 pts.)

Journeyman Warcaster (3 pts.)
Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator (1 pt.)

This is an expensive list to get to 50 points: Alexia Ciannor ($64.99 retail), Black 13th ($16.99 retail), Rangers ($30.99 retail), and Reinholdt ($5.99 retail).

The Black 13th is another effective ranged attack unit, the Rangers would help the ranged attacking units, Alexia can be a machine that cuts through units like a hot knife through butter, and Reinholdt can give Siege an extra shot with his cannon. I still can't see buying all of this to boost the list to 50 points. I can see getting Alexia at some point because I didn't realize how good the unit could be for only five points.


Cryx

Wraith Witch Deneghra (-6 pts.)
• Leviathan Helljack (9 pts.)
• Nightmare Helljack (10 pts.)
• Nightwretch Bonejack (4 pts.)
• Nightwretch Bonejack (4 pts.)
• Skarlock Thrall (2 pts.)

Bane Riders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11 pts.)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8 pts.)
• Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3 pts.)

Pistol Wraith (3 pts.)
Warwitch Siren Solo (2 pts.)

All that is added is the warjack and a couple of solos. Nightmare gains Stealth while in Deneghra's control area, so it's a good match. The Pistol Wraith is a solo-hunting machine, and the Skarlock Thrall is attached to Deneghra and can cast one of her spells each turn.

This is a list that I could easily see upgrading to the 50 points if we end up playing at that point level.


Khador

Forward Kommander Sorscha (-6 pts.)
• Demolisher (9 pts.)
• Spriggan (10 pts.)
• War dog (1 pt.)

Kayazy Assassins (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8 pts.)
Kayazy Assassin Underboss (2 pts.)
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt (4 pts.)
Widowmakers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (4 pts.)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6 pts.)
• Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard (2 pts.)
• 3 Winter Guard Infantry Rocketeers (3 pts.)

Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich (2 pts.)
Widowmaker Marksman (2 pts.)
Yuri the Axe (3 pts.)

I talked about this list in a long posting on expanding the Khador box. I already own the Widowmaker Marksman and Yuri and had planned on getting the Kayazy Assassins at some point, so I'll likely be upgrading this when I am done getting the army boxes and having them painted. As a 50-point list, I like what all three of the additions do for the list.


Menoth

Grand Scrutator Severius (-6 pts.)
• Redeemer (6 pts.)
• Reckoner (8 pts.)
• Vanquisher (8 pts.)
• Hierophant (2 pts.)

Choir of Menoth (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3 pts.)
Exemplar Errants (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8 pts.)
• Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer (2 pts.)
Holy Zealots (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6 pts.)
• Holy Zealot Monolith Bearer (2 pts.)

Exemplar Errant Seneschal (2 pts.)
Initiate Tristan Durant (3 pts.)
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord (2 pts.)
The Covenant of Menoth (2 pts.)
Vassal of Menoth (2 pts.)

The Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard Bearer is a nice addition though I suspect it means the wrath of God will rain down on the unit from the word go. I guess that could be a good thing since it means other things won’t be targeted.

The Holy Zealots and their Monolith Bearer make a nice, inexpensive unit of rabble that also sets things on fire and have the ability to get tougher when one of them is killed. They seem like a nice addition to the list as a tarpit to slow the progress of the enemy.

The Covenant of Menoth is a solo and it gives crazy protection to the friendly figures in its command range or stops enemies in the range from casting spells. All-in-all, it's an awesome addition to the list. I see more and more why Menoth is all about the buffs.

Initiate Tristan Durant is a journeyman warcaster and really should be assigned a warjack. Unlike the Cygnaran basic journeyman, Durant’s spells work on a model in his battlegroup alone, so I would want to assign one to him. I just don’t know which one it would be.

If I had bought this box, I could see myself looking into adding the additional models to bump the list to 50 points. The only additional model not used in the alternate 35-point lists is Durant and those add a warcaster, a warjack, and a mercenary (and I have both mercenaries already). See, I should have bought this one as well!


Hordes factions

Circle Orboros

Kromac the Ravenous (-4 pts.)
• Warpwolf Stalker (10 pts.)
• Ghetorix (11 pts.)
• Gnarlhorn Satyr (8 pts.)
• Gorax (4 pts.)

Tharn Blood Pack (10 pts.)
Shifting Stones Unit (Leader and 2 Grunts) (2 pts.)
• Stone Keeper (1 pt.)

Gallows Grove (1 pt.)
Gallows Grove (1 pt.)
Blackclad Wayfarer (2 pts.)
Lord of the Feast (4 pts.)

Ghetorix is a another Warpwolf which is better melee attacker than the Stalker and it can be bonded to Kromac. The Gallows Groves are terrific solos that Kromac can use to channel spells and prevents enemies from healing and making Tough rolls. The Blackclad Wayfarer can help fury management by allowing friendly models charge or make slams without being forced. The Wayfarer is also has a magic spray attack.

This would be a pretty easy to expand and everything additional works with what is already there.


Legion of Everblight

Saeryn, Omen of Everblight (-5 pts.)
• Nephilim Bloodseer (5 pts.)
• Angelius (9 pts.)
• Neraph (7 pts.)
• Scythean (9 pts.)
• Zuriel (10 pts.)

Blighted Nyss Striders (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6 pts.)
Spawning Vessel (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3 pts.)

Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1 pt.)
Blighted Nyss Shepherd (1 pt.)
Strider Deathstalker (2 pts.)
Strider Deathstalker (2 pts.)

At first glance this looks like a relatively inexpensive list to bring to 50 points, until you consider that you'll have to purchase some lesser warbeasts to add during the game as the Spawning Vessel creates them. So this is a pass unless I come into a bunch of mini-beasts. Zuriel looks like an awesome addition and a second Deathstalker can’t be a bad addition, so it’s possible I could change my mind.


Skorne

Supreme Archdomina Makeda (-5 pts.)
• Basilisk Krea (4 pts.)
• Molik Karn (11 pts.)
• Titan Gladiator (8 pts.)
• Aptimus Marketh (3 pts.)

Cataphract Incindiarii (Leader and 5 Grunts) (9 pts.)
Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3 pts.)
Praetorian Keltarii (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8 pts.)
Praetorian Swordsmen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6 pts.)

Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer (3 pts.)

Like the Trollbloods, they had only two large beasts in the initial box, but at least they got another warbeast in the Basilisk Krea. The Krea get plus points for having Eyeless Sight and causing Paralysis, but negative points because its animus targets itself and its Flank bonus doesn’t work in this list. Still, it seems like a decent enough beast. The Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer is like having an über-powered Kovnik Joe because the Commander’s orders work on all friendly faction units or models.

The Keltarii are decent-enough models, but I still have nightmares from trying to assemble the Stormguard and these guys look like they might be just as cantankerous to assemble. I really don’t want to put the Keltarii together, so I’m likely to pass on expanding this box, though if they are a lot of fun to play I might change my mind.


Trollblood

Grissel Bloodsong, Fell Caller (-5 pts.)
• Dire Troll Blitzer (9 pts.)
• Dire Troll Mauler (9 pts.)

Kriel Warriors (6 pts.)
• Kriel Warrior Caber Thrower (Leader and 2 Grunts) (3 pts.)
• Kriel Warrior Standard Bearer & Piper (2 pts.)
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribe (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4 pts.)
• Stone Scribe Elder (1 pt.)
Trollkin Champions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10 pts.)
Trollkin Warders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8 pts.)

Fell Caller Hero (3 pts.)

I didn't like the Kriel Warriors when I used them in the past and mine are for sale. I would rather have seen the Fennblades plus UA and a Trollkin Sorcerer in place of the Kriel Warriors. The Fennblades have one less armor, but one more point of MAT and speed as well as having reach, doing two more damage when they hit and Vengeance, which lets them advance up to 3" and make a normal attack during the maintenance phase if they any member of the unit was destroyed or removed from play in the opponent's turn. Plus you would get the Sorcerer added, which is a handy little solo. The other loss is two less bodies, but I like the ability advantage over the numbers advantage.

The Stone Scribe Elder is a good single-point addition to the Krielstone Bearer unit and I was surprised that the Fell Caller wasn't used in the initial list because the bonuses and abilities it gives to the others is awesome.

In fewer words, I won’t be making this 50-point list or one of the alternate 35-point lists, which uses them. I might build the other list at some point, if I decide I would like to play with Grim Angus as the warlock.
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AiO Battle 03: Cold Death

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Nico and I got together to play a game. He has been a Cryx player every time he has played, so it was obvious who he would play.

I played Khador all-in-one army box force list:

Forward Kommander Sorscha Kratikoff (-6 pts.)
• Demolisher (9 pts.)
• Spriggan (10 pts.)
• War Dog (1 pt.)

Widowmakers (4 pts.)
Winter Guard Infantry (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6 pts.)
• Winter Guard Infantry Rocketeer (x3) (3 pts.)
• Winter Guard Officer & Standard (2 pts.)
Lady Aiyanna & Master Holt (4 pts.)

Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich (2 pts.)

Nico played the Cryx all-in-one army box force list:

Wraith Witch Deneghra (-6 pts.)
• Leviathan Helljack (9 pts.)
• Nightwretch Bonejack (4 pts.)
• Nightwretch Bonejack (4 pts.)

Bane Riders (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11 pts.)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8 pts.)
• Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3 pts.)

Warwitch Siren (2 pts.)


I set up the board with a terrain feature in quadrant of the board, with one of them on the Cryx side being shallow water. The others were all forests. I didn’t put anything in the center of the board and that really had an effect on the game.

First, I had the extreme advantage in shooting and it made Nico and I both hesitant to try advancing through the middles of the field, but the terrain in the middle-area of each of the quadrants really forced us to congregate in the middle of the table.

I tried charging the Leviathan with the Spriggan while managing to scatter some AOEs from the Demolisher into the Bane Thralls. The Demolisher did his job, but the Spriggan ended up a bit short. The Leviathan and Deneghra managed to severely damage the Spriggan while the Bane Riders came to realize why the Demolisher is such a tank. Denegrha popped her feat, which left the Khadorans stationary.

The remaining Bane Thralls took out Master Holt while Lady Aiyanna was harder to hit. The Riders were unable to hurt the Demolisher too badly, thanks to poor rolls, and the Spriggan was finished off while Deneghra moved back to get out of the line of sight of the mostly-intact Winter Guard.

The Winter Guard then moved in, did some damage to the Leviathan while another group targeted one of the two remaining Bane Riders, boldly shooting into melee because they knew that they couldn’t harm the Demolisher, took out one of the Riders. Snezhok (a.k.a., Snowball), the War Dog, lined up and charged the other remaining Bane Rider and finished it off before bringing back a nice, large bone for Sorscha to throw for him during play time. She then moved up to make sure Deneghra was in the range of her feat, which she activated then cast Boundless Charge on the Demolisher, which then activated and charged, turning Deneghra into a pile of bone dust and goo in one hit.

We plan on playing again soon, with Nico keeping the Cryx, which is fine with me, and my playing one of the other all-in-one lists.

He needs to rely more on the Bane Thralls being hard to damage with ranged attacks and use them as a screen as they move to engage the enemy in melee combat. I think he should also have used the Bane Riders to charge into and try to eliminate the Winter Guard.
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