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Making note of my life in the hobby. Occasional attempts at humor included.
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In Defense of Playing (and Buying) a Lot of Games

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Today I was going to talk about why I like playing (and buying) a lot of different games. I'm still going to do that. But the other day, I was listening to The Dice Tower podcast #199, and guest-host John Richard said something that struck true. I thought I'd share it here because it totally capsulizes and explains why it is that I have the taste in games that I do. He said the following:

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"I tend to like pretty much every game that requires me to think but doesn't punish me for being bad. I like games where I can plan out a strategy but if I screw that up I like to roll some dice or have some sort of luck element to help me along."


Read that again. My wife once told me that I sound like John Richard, and we both share the same name (well, in different places). But I might as well be delivering that quote as well. It's totally true! Case in point, Saint Petersburg. I like Saint Pete. I enjoy playing it on Yucata, and have enjoyed playing it with family and friends. Initially, I was extremely turned off by the artwork and was quite jaded with the experience, but future Yucata plays gave me an appreciation for the game. So at the last Strategicon, I signed up for the Saint Pete tournament. Humph. Not once did I think about what I would be getting into -- an older game that relies on a small amount of luck. My opponents were considerate, but it was quite obvious that this was more than just a game for them. Every play was calcuated and fine-tuned, and every situation was planned for. My reaction time was slower for those situations where "you're supposed to know what to do." Eyebrows were raised at some of my plays. That doesn't work for me. So I'll continue to enjoy the game, just not in that setting.

Now, joining the Lords of Vegas tournament this kind of thing is not going to happen. And I know that's an extreme example, but at least if I feel like I'm falling behind in Vegas I can try something to catch up. And to me, the experience is a lot more fun. It's not that I'm not competitive, I am. And my friends will tell me that I'm pretty good at games -- it's just not about that at all. Games are such a social thing for me. More than half the fun of a gameday somewhere is seeing those folks and having a blast with them.

I could go on and on about the social aspect of the hobby and why it's great. But I want to mention another part of gaming I enjoy -- seeing different mechanics and getting exposed to different ideas and structures (Ed. - this is a segue way into the first sentence of my post. I'm so cool.)


Now this isn't Infuse Podcasters into my Blog Day, but Ryan Sturm has long said that he wants us to "play good games more often." Well, Ryan's ideas of a good game have already clashed with me above, so we'll leave that part out. I'm here to focus on the "more often" part. On the surface, sure -- the message is ideal. Play games you like the most! Makes sense to everyone. But I have this itch to try out different things, and this hobby is very easy to scratch this itch. The itch revolves around not only new games, but older games by a designer I might particularly like. In some cases, that means that by association I'm interested in a whole TON of games. So yes, the same day I picked up Confrontation (see my last blog entry for that story) I picked up Saga by Wolfgang Kramer. I like the Kramer games I have played, and for $4, I'm willing to take a stab at Saga. I knew coming in that it didn't have the best rating in the world. I knew that, most likely, I would be trading/selling the game after I tried it out a few times. This would most likely bother people, including the folks that didn't bid against my $4 bid. But it DOES NOT bother me. Here's a few reasons why:



bluetaj: Used games hold their value. They just do. Most of the time when you buy a game used at a convention, you're going to land it for 40-70% off retail, maybe more. Notice I said "at a convention." That's usually the only place I'm buying used games. Shipping is killer these days, so I don't frequent online for purchasing too much. That said, people do -- so selling the games back at the convention is not your only option. Selling on BGG usually fetches you the same value back, so you're losing nothing. There's even been plenty of titles I've flipped and made money on, not that that was my intention. My intention was as I said above -- I got to play a game new to me. If I don't like it, the MOST I'm going to lose is a few bucks. I justify those few bucks quite easily from the entertainment I had playing the game. But there's more:

browntaj: Buying new games through online sales is almost always worth it. I know you folks have seen the holiday sales that have gone on in the past from online stores. And last holidays, Amazon got into the act. When you have a chance to get popular and semi-popular board games for 50% off or more, this is very difficult for me to resist. Because I KNOW that with a small amount of effort I can flip the title and make my money back, no problem. You also have the luxury of getting the game brand new. I'd say that over 60% of my collection consist of games acquired in this fashion -- good, discounted new games that I got with free shipping. Lovely.

graytaj: I get exposed to new ideas/mechanics/implementations. Like I said above, I find a lot of fun in seeing new things in games. It doesn't bother me that I could have been playing The Pillars of the Earth instead -- I'm going to have that game forever to play, and I know how to play that one. I like learning new games, and seeing how they work. Buying games in this fashion works for me.

tantaj: Bad games still show me something. Of course I've stumbled upon some real rubbish doing this. Yikes, I can think of some really horrid designs. But when that happens, you analyze what it is that bothered you, and then look for signs of that in other games. It's all about refining your gaming taste. Plus, it's fun to trash a game every once and a while with a friend. I have no fears of playing a bad game. Unless it takes 3 or 4 hours -- that might be where I draw the line and make a decision not to play it going in.

maroontaj: I might be surprised and love it. This is always in the back of my mind! You never know when something will come along and surprise you. I have a lot of those that I acquired using the above steps -- Vegas Showdown, Space Dealer, Vikings.

I've learned a lot about my gaming tastes thanks to my "itch". I'm getting better at identifying games that I might not like (although if it's cheap enough I'll bite). It's fun. So if you're a friend of mine and wondering why my collection keeps growing (and shrinking), there you go. Gaming is a lot of fun and I'm trying to scratch every part of the surface I can. Well, except those strategy-heavy ones. I need a little luck every once and a while.
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Nice post Rick, I am certainly non stranger to buying and trying, and even though I often regress I find that more often than not I find myself agreeing with what Ryan Sturm said on his podcast.. every time you play a game you quite like or think is OK.... is one time you didn't play a game you LOVE. At the moment we are really enjoying Le Havre, and have had a huge lovefest with Agricola, I know that in fact, we would be quite content with just a handful of games, even if thats often easier said in theory than practice.
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I know the feeling you described with Saint Petersburg. I experienced that with Puerto Rico. So turned off I was, that I stopped playing it for many years. When I started playing with more casual Puerto Rico players again, the game was more fun again.
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I love picking up used games and even if I don't think I'm really gonna like it, it is fun to play a new game and who knows the pieces may come in handy for a future game design or as replacements or supplements for another game. When I am picking these games up for $2-$5 dollars there is very little risk involved.

Now only if I could get my wife to take your blog post to heart.
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@Lee - it's true, there's a line that you have to cross and be okay with it. But to find new, great games you have to play new stuff, too. I guess I just don't feel remorseful at playing bad or mediocre games -- I would say that playing mediocre games lots of times might give me some grief.

@Mark - exactly, played in a casual setting is about the only way I could enjoy Puerto Rico. And that's a great game to give as an example, as it is very popular and came out a bit ago. Coming into the hobby when I did, I just got to play Puerto Rico last year. At that point, there's no way I would consider participating in a tournament. It's a shame, because I like the game, but I don't want to get in a situation where I get looks or feel uncomfortable because I didn't do the "appropriate" move.

@Patrick - Fortunately, my wife sees me selling/trading a good amount of stuff to where I think she is okay with it. *Think* being operative.

Thanks for commenting!
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Rick,

Great post. The first time I played Hive, I thought "yuck." I recently picked it up from I Tunes for free (I love free.) After playing it on my iPad several times I could not remember why I didn't like. After a lot of thought, I realized it wasn't the game but the opponent. I love the old games that others rate poorly. It's in the eye of the beholder.

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Rick,

Great post. The first time I played Hive, I thought "yuck." I recently picked it up from I Tunes for free (I love free.) After playing it on my iPad several times I could not remember why I didn't like. After a lot of thought, I realized it wasn't the game but the opponent. I love the old games that others rate poorly. It's in the eye of the beholder.

Grey


Great example. In no way am I disparaging the designers of these types of games. In many cases, I like the game and even if I don't like it, I can respect the design. But the skill level of the amount in no-luck games certainly does make a difference. We like what we like, Grey!
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I agree, Rick. Nice post. One of my big arguments in defense of buying and playing new games is that the value of the hobby, especially as compared to my other hobbies, is outstanding. These days new video games are $60, and for that you may or may not get a semi-social experience, and the amount of hours you can enjoy your game varies greatly. Also, the value of a video game plummets as soon as you open it.

With board games, even if I got a game that almost never made it to the table, I would still store it and keep it in my collection. The reason is that they remain playable for a long time if stored correctly and even if I get a 2-hour game to the table once every 2 years for 10 years, I've still enjoyed a social experience with people I enjoy (probably) for 10 hours for what? 20-30 bucks? People don't blink about dropping that on movie tickets for a 2 hour experience that is much less interactive.

I just see the cost of these games as nearly trivial compared to the variety that I like to have available for play.
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Definitely, Mark! I completely agree with you. Of course, that leaves some wiggle-room to get in trouble and buy 1,000 games ...
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I love St Pete precisely because there's a way to play well and a way to play badly. Skill and experience are rewarded, and you don't get screwed over by stupid dice. Of course I'm too much of a gentleman to raise an eyebrow, I'd just silently accept the gift.
 
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Friendless wrote:
I love St Pete precisely because there's a way to play well and a way to play badly. Skill and experience are rewarded, and you don't get screwed over by stupid dice. Of course I'm too much of a gentleman to raise an eyebrow, I'd just silently accept the gift.


John, I'm sure you would have done well in the tournament. Of course there are those that enjoy that type of experience. Just not for me.

You say "stupid dice", but I see you have Yspahan and Vikings badges. Two of my favorites!
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Yspahan uses dice in a very undicey way, which gives a level of randomness akin to the order cards come out in St Pete, or the allocation of vikings to islands in Vikings. IIRC there are no stupid dice in Vikings :-). Stupid dice are in Talisman, Twilight Struggle, and I'm undecided about Kingsburg.

Sadly I don't like tournaments at all, I think it's the idea of having someone organising me that I object to.
 
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Friendless wrote:
IIRC there are no stupid dice in Vikings :-). Stupid dice are in Talisman, Twilight Struggle, and I'm undecided about Kingsburg.


Whoops! No idea why I thought there was dice in Vikings. I blame it on my 4-month-old. I hear you on Talisman, have yet to play Twilight, and I'm also undecided on Kingsburg. I agree with you on games that seem to use dice in an "undicey" way -- it's been very exciting to see all the dice games that use dice creatively. But I would never call a die stupid, so there you go.
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