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New Game Round-up – Rio Grande's 2011 Line-up, Lots of Saboteurs & More

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Time to add more games to your wishlist (or not) after looking over the items below:

• In newsletter #106 (PDF) from Rio Grande Games, Jay Tummelson lays out the titles to expect from RGG in the first half of 2011:

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In 2011, we plan to begin releasing our line of new designer games. These are the result of several design contests we have sponsored in the past few years and our attempt to encourage new game design in the US. Of course, we will continue to support our existing game lines and partnerships with new products. For example, this spring we will release Dominion: Cornucopia, Carcassonne: 10 year edition, Carcassonne Dice game, and Carcassonne translucent follower pack (with rules for their special use). We are also very close to completing Arctic Scavengers, our second deck-building game. In the next few months we will release Rails of New England, The Heavens of Olympus, Cavemen, Airlines: Europe (Alan Moon's latest take on Airlines/Union Pacific), Carcassonne: the Castle Falcon expansion, Carcassonne: City 2 (same insides as Carcassonne: the City, but in a cardboard box), Those Pesky Garden Gnomes, Rattlebones, Credit Mobilier, Mogul, Monster Factory, and several others.


On top of all that, another Dominion expansion will follow in 2011, along with another promo card.

• Designer Frederic Moyersoen has noted on his blog that multiple companies have picked up Saboteur 2, sometimes as an expansion, sometimes as a standalone game, and sometimes as a combined base game plus expansion, as is the case with original publisher Gigamic. He includes a pic of the Z-Man Games edition of Saboteur 2, which bears this label: "You need a copy of Saboteur to play this expansion."

• Spanish publisher nestorgames has released "a game like soccer" from Dieter Stein called 11. Pics and a list of available teams on the nestorgames' website.

Fantasy Flight Games has previewed BattleLore: Code of Chivalry with notes on the knights included therein.

• In other FFG news, the publisher has posted tournament rules for Dust Tactics.

• GameSalute.com has posted a huge number of preview pics of Alderac's Thunderstone: Dragonspire on its Facebook page.

• Trask at LivingDice.com has done the same for Alderac's Nightfall, albeit with only three images.
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Really, Jay? 99 Dominion and Carcassonne supplements? I understand striking when the iron's hot, but Jesus.
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With so much gaming goodness in one post, I think I'm gonna...crycry
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Glad to hear Arctic Scavengers finally getting released. The second deckbuilding game that came out that few have played since it was self published. Been a long wait for RGG edition. Looks like they decided to redo all the art.
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Hmm... the Carcassonne translucent follower pack is announced, but what about Crop Circles, Tunnels, and the Plague?
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It looks like Rails of New England has the first map I've ever seen where Vermont is the largest geographic entity in the region (though New Hampshire appears a close second). Bumped to a must have.
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It's nice to see the annual Rio Grande Games newsletter out!

I guess getting games released is a higher priority? Who knew? I'm looking forward to the plethora of RGG this year.
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Those Pesky Garden Gnomes? Really? Are you sure that that title corresponds to that game?

 
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Wow!!!

2011 is looking to be a pretty awesome year already.
 
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I don't understand the RGG excitement. It looks like mostly retreads or derivitives, and the couple original games don't look too promising. Or at least don't have enough info to warrant any excitement (unless any game is cause for excitement).

I'm a card-carrying microbadge-owning RGG fan, so I hate to say it, but it seems Z-Man is picking up most of the interesting original stuff these days, and apparently into the future.
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I wasn't asking in excitement. More like bewilderment.
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I don't understand the RGG excitement. ...


Let's run through that quote, bolding or linking the new and striking out re-releases and expansions:
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In 2011, we plan to begin releasing our line of new designer games. These are the result of several design contests we have sponsored in the past few years and our attempt to encourage new game design in the US. Of course, we will continue to support our existing game lines and partnerships with new products. For example, this spring we will release Dominion: Cornucopia, Carcassonne: 10 year edition, Carcassonne Dice game, and Carcassonne translucent follower pack (with rules for their special use). We are also very close to completing Arctic Scavengers, our second deck-building game. In the next few months we will release Rails of New England, The Heavens of Olympus, Cavemen, Airlines: Europe (Alan Moon's latest take on Airlines/Union Pacific), Carcassonne: the Castle Falcon expansion, Carcassonne: City 2 (same insides as Carcassonne: the City, but in a cardboard box), Those Pesky Garden Gnomes, Rattlebones, Credit Mobilier, Mogul, Monster Factory, and several others.

Rails of NE, is not the Stephenson's Rocket re-issue. (Sadly, I think.) Mogul looks very reprint-worthy. And I should note that I'm assuming any game which has been published is being reprinted--it may be a new game with the same name. (To be fair, Arctic Scavenger had a small (self-published?) release, but this will be the first time the game is widely available.

So, it looks to me like a new game a month (probably clumped in the usual way). I'm interested! (Not that Z-Man isn't doing good work, too.)

I see you're tried Glen More--the RGG version got out pretty recently. Your comment is a bit off: "Especially one of the primary scoring conditions is collecting more fewer cards than other players." If that's not just a typo, you're in for a more interesting game.
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I swear to you that this is a judgment-free zone/comment, but I'm finding it pretty funny that Dominion--which states in various places that it is NOT a collectible card game--has released a lot of expansions/supplements and that people still seem to collect them all. It might not be a CCG in the traditional sense, but it addresses the serious predilection for collecting inherent in the community anyway. I hereby christen it an SCCG, or Stealth Collectible Card Game.

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(Continued disclaimer: never played, watched a few video reviews, would probably like it, am probably one gift certificate away from owning it, etc. I'm setting the over/under at two for "how many expansions I end up owning.")
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For the Rio Grande releases, I hope the "and several others" includes Jay's promised reprint of El Caballero. He announced this three years ago, and all I get from him each inquiry is the ubiquitous "soon" response.

Anyone know if this is a dead reprint?
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I see you're tried Glen More--the RGG version got out pretty recently. Your comment is a bit off: "Especially one of the primary scoring conditions is collecting more fewer cards than other players." If that's not just a typo, you're in for a more interesting game.

I suspect that he was referring to the cards that come with the special buildings, not the tiles generally. The special buildings were certainly a cause for concern in my first play as well (although I was generally revolted by the game, so my opinion in that regard undoubtedly carries less weight).
 
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Rattlebones is very cool.

At least I think so.
 
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Tall_Walt wrote:
Let's run through that quote, bolding or linking the new and striking out re-releases and expansions:
In 2011, we plan to begin releasing our line of new designer games. These are the result of several design contests we have sponsored in the past few years and our attempt to encourage new game design in the US. Of course, we will continue to support our existing game lines and partnerships with new products. For example, this spring we will release Dominion: Cornucopia, Carcassonne: 10 year edition, Carcassonne Dice game, and Carcassonne translucent follower pack (with rules for their special use). We are also very close to completing Arctic Scavengers, our second deck-building game. In the next few months we will release Rails of New England, The Heavens of Olympus, Cavemen, Airlines: Europe (Alan Moon's latest take on Airlines/Union Pacific), Carcassonne: the Castle Falcon expansion, Carcassonne: City 2 (same insides as Carcassonne: the City, but in a cardboard box), Those Pesky Garden Gnomes, Rattlebones, Credit Mobilier, Mogul, Monster Factory, and several others.

I'd also include Airlines Europe as something to check out. True, it's a refinement of the Airlines/UP system, but it's a very good one and a standalone game. I suspect fans of the earlier games are going to want to get this or at least check it out. Few designers are better at reworking their own games than Alan Moon.

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Rails of NE, is not the Stephenson's Rocket re-issue. (Sadly, I think.)

I'd love to see the new Stephenson's also, but Rails of NE sounds really promising. I can't wait to get more information about it.
 
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Hmmm.... No Veritas? What's the RGG pipeline clogged with?

 
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I'm finding it pretty funny that Dominion--which states in various places that it is NOT a collectible card game--has released a lot of expansions/supplements and that people still seem to collect them all.

I guess I should avoid your passive-aggressive trolling, but come on. CCGs (and sports cards) use a blind purchase model, while many other "things you can collect" (dolls, ornaments, coins, game expansions) aren't purchased blindly (you know what you get). It's a distinction with a difference.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
I see you're tried Glen More--the RGG version got out pretty recently. Your comment is a bit off: "Especially one of the primary scoring conditions is collecting more fewer cards than other players." If that's not just a typo, you're in for a more interesting game.

I suspect that he was referring to the cards that come with the special buildings, not the tiles generally. The special buildings were certainly a cause for concern in my first play as well (although I was generally revolted by the game, so my opinion in that regard undoubtedly carries less weight).

Hhonestly, I can't remember which of those it was. It could have been either one. It's been almost a year since my first and only play. But yeah, I liked it enough to buy it, and it's sitting on my shelf in shrink, along with a backlog of many other games longing for attention. shake

Back to the original point about RGG's upcoming games: It would be nice to have more info about the games. Or at least that's a prerequisite for me to get excited. I know games will continue to be released. That's a constant that in and of itself does nothing for me.
 
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Rattlebones is more than very cool... It's awesome. I can't wait till it's actually out.
 
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I'm finding it pretty funny that Dominion--which states in various places that it is NOT a collectible card game--has released a lot of expansions/supplements and that people still seem to collect them all.

I guess I should avoid your passive-aggressive trolling, but come on. CCGs (and sports cards) use a blind purchase model, while many other "things you can collect" (dolls, ornaments, coins, game expansions) aren't purchased blindly (you know what you get). It's a distinction with a difference.


Thank you for reading into my post what you'd prefer. I appreciate it.

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EDIT: This came off as way more jerkish than I had hoped, but I'll leave it for posterity to illustrate my own stupidity and knee-jerkedness. Seriously, I don't know how to respond. That you even read seriousness into a joke post that was 80% throat-clearing and disclaimer, and did so far enough to think I was trolling despite me admitting that I'd fall into the very same group I was "criticizing," well, I'm not even sure how to finish this sentence. It was an equivocation on the word "collectible," and that's pretty much it.
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When will Rio Grande use facebook to send out teasers about upcoming games like AEG? Formal newsletters seem like alot of work. I would appreciate more news occaionally from Rio Grande Games.
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rarevos wrote:
That you even read seriousness into a joke post that was 80% throat-clearing and disclaimer, and did so far enough to think I was trolling despite me admitting that I'd fall into the very same group I was "criticizing," well, I'm not even sure how to finish this sentence. It was an equivocation on the word "collectible," and that's pretty much it.

Yes, it was clear to me. I don't understand how anyone could label it trolling. Yes, it's been discussed before, but I wouldn't expect anyone with a new user badge to be aware of all the previous discussions.
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EDIT: This came off as way more jerkish than I had hoped, but I'll leave it for posterity to illustrate my own stupidity and knee-jerkedness. Seriously, I don't know how to respond. That you even read seriousness into a joke post that was 80% throat-clearing and disclaimer, and did so far enough to think I was trolling despite me admitting that I'd fall into the very same group I was "criticizing," well, I'm not even sure how to finish this sentence. It was an equivocation on the word "collectible," and that's pretty much it.

Fair enough. I read it as another tiresome, mistaken "Dominion is really a CCG" post, just timidly expressed.

I'm sorry. I should have looked for the joke and not read more into it than was actually there.
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No, it's cool. If it's an unfunny joke, then that's what it is. I haven't put a dent in reading the amount of material here, particularly on a game I don't own, so if it's a recycled line, then that's on me. But since this is a news thread, and not a John v. Jon Sparring Over CCGs and non-CCGs thread, I'll bow out. Perhaps we'll spar again. Perhaps over a game of Dominion with Expansion Pack number 13, which I'll probably own by then.

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I'm finding it pretty funny that Dominion--which states in various places that it is NOT a collectible card game--has released a lot of expansions/supplements and that people still seem to collect them all.

I guess I should avoid your passive-aggressive trolling, but come on. CCGs (and sports cards) use a blind purchase model, while many other "things you can collect" (dolls, ornaments, coins, game expansions) aren't purchased blindly (you know what you get). It's a distinction with a difference.


Also, my one copy of Dominion and all of its expansions can be used by all the people I invite to my gaming table. You don't need to buy your own copy to come play with me.
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Perhaps over a game of Dominion with Expansion Pack number 13, which I'll probably own by then.

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Expansion #13 has been announced!
Dominion: Rails of Carcassonne
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The same is true for Credit Mobilier.

We're very pleased with the news and look forward to seeing it in a "real box" as compared to our "white box" edition.

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This is someone's idea of a bad joke, right? The game is exactly the same, but in a cheaper box, and they've got the nerve to call it Carcassonne: City 2?

Must be someone at Rio Grande is too young to remember the New Coke fiasco. Sticking a new label on an inferior product is not the same as putting out a new product.

It just isn't.
 
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This is someone's idea of a bad joke, right? The game is exactly the same, but in a cheaper box, and they've got the nerve to call it Carcassonne: City 2?

Must be someone at Rio Grande is too young to remember the New Coke fiasco. Sticking a new label on an inferior product is not the same as putting out a new product.

It just isn't.

I don't think that the real title of the game is Carcassonne: City 2 as that seems more like an indication for stocking purposes. I also don't think it is an inferior product. On the contrary, I like the idea of a cardboard box over the wooden one which did not stay shut when transported. The cardboard box is also significantly cheaper and the contents seem to be exactly the same as the original one.

I recently traded away my original version just to clear out room in my collection for the new box when it makes it into the store.
 
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Ha! If they released wooden rats into Carc I might be tempted to play the game again
 
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That would be fine if both the Z-Man edition of Saboteur and the multilingual Amigo one weren't out of print and unavailable for years with no news of a reissue (or were the last time I looked – but regardless don't already have it thanks to that). But it's their loss if I buy the Gigamic Saboteur 2 and use the formers' rules (and gain for all the existing Saboteur owners which will welcome the decision).
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Dominion: Rails of Carcassonne
Perhaps rather scarily, not impossible considering that the two franchises share a publisher in at the least their English and German editions…
 
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  • Edited Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:35 pm
  • Posted Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:32 pm
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