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Preview: Leaders Bring Help to Those Building 7 Wonders

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Antoine Bauza's 7 Wonders was the buzz of 2010, getting advance play at conventions in the U.S. and Europe and exciting players with the thought of a good, fast game for seven players. Since its release at Spiel in October 2010, the game has largely met expectations, with the one major critique – aside from complaints about thin cards and a flimsy insert – being that the game is largely tactical and can feel like it plays itself in some stages of the game (although exactly which stages has differed depending on who is making such comments).

Anyone who falls into this camp would do well to check out 7 Wonders: Leaders, the first expansion for this game from publisher Repos Production. Leaders includes 40 cards – 36 leaders, three new guilds for use in age III, and a wonder card for inclusion in that deck – along with a Rome wonder board, showing the Roman Colosseum.

With Leaders, players add one set-up round at the start of the game and one additional step before each age. During set-up, each player is dealt four leader cards. Each player drafts one leader, passes the other three cards right, drafts another leader, and so on until each player has four leader cards. At the start of each age, the player chooses one leader card from his hand and plays it exactly as he would any other card:

• Pay the cost and put it into play.
• Pay the cost of the next stage of your wonder and tuck the card under your wonder board.
• Discard the card for three coins.

The leader cards cost 1-5 coins, and each player starts the game with six coins instead of three.

"This expansion adds strategy to the whole game," says Repos' Thomas Provoost, "as players make choices at the start that run through everything. It also adds replayability as with 36 different leaders, the more you play, the more you discover new strategies and combinations." Money management becomes more of a concern as players now need to keep money on hand to pay for their leaders, forcing them to think more across the ages about what to keep when and how to bring everything they want into play.

What does these leaders do? All types of things – provide money, discounts or extra points for building your wonder or particular types of buildings; allow you to buy goods from the bank; provide extra points for military victories or sets of science buildings or particular combinations of other buildings; boost your military; provide points or money directly; add to your science holdings; and so on.

Provoost notes that each leader is thematically tied to the bonus provided – Midas doubles the points provided for money at the end of the game; Salomon lets you build a discard building for free; Ramsès allows you to build any guild for free; Hatshepsut gives you money whenever you buy resources from a neighbor – but (as is typical for a Eurogame) without having a special rule for each leader. Instead, all the bonuses are relayed through graphics on the card, with most of them being decipherable on first glance and others being understood after a first description.

The new guilds in Leaders are mixed with those of the base game, and the appropriate number shuffled into the age III deck. Two of the three new guilds tie into the leaders directly, with one providing a point for each leader that you and your neighbors have put into play and another allowing you to immediately copy one leader held by a neighbor. The third guild provides an additional bonus for money held at the end of the game.

The new wonder – in the spirit of Douglas Adams, the ninth in this game of seven wonders – provides no resources, as was the case with the Manneken Pis bonus wonder. Instead Rome provides its holder a bonus in regard to leaders, with one side allowing a player to nerf the cost of all leaders played and the other providing a discount on leader costs as well as additional leaders and opportunities to play them as that player completes his wonder. I played one three-player game with Rome, Manneken Pis and another wonder in play, and the lack of initial resources was an interesting challenge – especially since the guy who could actually produce something started with the leader who lets you buy goods from the bank! Lots more to explore in the weeks ahead...
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I noticed you waited until after midnight to post this on the 7th.
Very nice.
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Sounds like a good way to spice up the game, definitely looking forward to it.
 
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must.have!
 
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Sounds like a great and useful expansion!

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It's spelled "Manneken Pis" instead of "Mannekin Pis"
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Let's hope that the color mismatches in the 2nd Ed of 7 Wonders will be gone in Leaders. Else the new Guild cards will be very easy to spot in a player's hand.
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I must for my collection. Loved the details of how it will make 7W fall less in the filler category.
 
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zilverrug wrote:
Sounds like a great and useful expansion!

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It's spelled "Manneken Pis" instead of "Mannekin Pis"


Not Eric's spelling, the card has 7 Wonders: Manneken Pis Promo
 
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Sounds like a great and useful expansion!

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It's spelled "Manneken Pis" instead of "Mannekin Pis"


I just call it Mannequin Piss.
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Oh no! Now the scoring will be even more complicated!


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The new wonder (in the spirit of Douglas Adams, the ninth in this game of seven wonders) provides no resources, as was the case with the Mannekin Pis bonus wonder.


The 5th (and planned 6th) book in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy. laugh
 
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Call this guy stoked...ive only played 3 games so far of my seven wonders mainly due to th sleeves being out of stock and hearjng thr flimsy card complaints means i SHOULD wait to play agian. I like the bit more of strategy added to the game but adding anoher categoy to score mau be annoying. Will more than likely give this a preorder bu i second the one users comment of "when?".
 
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PollutedMonkey wrote:
when?


As noted in this news post on BGG News, Leaders is due out in July 2011 in North America with Asmodee distributing the expansion. Repos says that Leaders should be out in Europe in May 2011.

Yes, I'm eager for the return of Gone Cardboard, too...
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Still think that the colosseum should have been used instead of Rome.
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PollutedMonkey wrote:
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Repos says that Leaders should be out in Europe in May 2011.


You mean... May 2011 as in next month?!? surprise
 
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Still think that the colosseum should have been used instead of Rome.


I think that it will be the Colosseum of Rome. The European editions so far have just had the city names. But I'm sure that they will keep their naming conventions.
 
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The US edition names the wonder though (which includes the city: Lighthouse of Alexandria, Hanging Gardens of Babylon, etc). If the new wonder is just "Rome" rather than "Colosseum of Rome," it will be fairly irksome to many (including me).
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The US edition names the wonder though (which includes the city: Lighthouse of Alexandria, Hanging Gardens of Babylon, etc). If the new wonder is just "Rome" rather than "Colosseum of Rome," it will be fairly irksome to many (including me).


The first edition (in multiple languages) included the full name of the wonder on the wonder board. For future printings and expansions they are printing only the greek name for the city on the wonder board, and printing the full name of the wonder on the cards for selecting your wonder. They have also removed all text from the wonders and replaced it with iconography.

This means that if they want to introduce the game in a new language, they only need edit the cards and rulebook. The player boards need not be edited with each new language. It also means they can do freebies or mini-expansions (like Manneken Pis) in a single print run and have much better compatibility across markets.
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It makes sense, but it's still gonna irk me Thanks for the info Smiles.
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When when when! Sounds very promising indeed. The Rome addition has me intrigued as well.

Wouldn't it be nice if they included new III cards that were all the same color for all of us with the mixed color cards from the 2nd round of printing.
 
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I had the chance to try out the new expansion at the JAB week-end of boardgaming near Montreal.

This addition adds some depth to the game and not a lot of play time (which is a good thing about 7 wonders)

One problem I had with the leaders is that you have to settle on a strategy for the game depending on the leaders you pick at the beginning rather than the cards you pick during the game. Sometimes, the 2 don't match and you get a very bad score compared to the others that got the leaders matching their civilization/card drawing.

That said, I am picking up the expansion as soon as it is ready !
 
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One problem I had with the leaders is that you have to settle on a strategy for the game depending on the leaders you pick at the beginning rather than the cards you pick during the game. Sometimes, the 2 don't match and you get a very bad score compared to the others that got the leaders matching their civilization/card drawing.


I think this will mostly be a function of experience. I've played five games with Leaders and have come in last or near-last in all five games, despite often being competitive in the 7 Wonders base game. I suppose one could conclude that Leaders randomizes the game in such a way that previously good players are hosed, but I think it's mostly a matter of me not figuring out how best to choose and use leaders.

In one game, for example, I passed a player three leaders, one of which benefitted science. (I forget which one – let's say each science building was worth an extra point.) Then in the next batch I had the leader that reduces the cost of science by one resource. I could have taken it to hobble the next guy, but instead I chose something that I thought would work with my first choice. I did something similar with the final two cards I had. Bad mistake. That player rolled me (and the other players) like a carpet being shipped to the cleaners.
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It's spelled "Manneken Pis" instead of "Mannekin Pis"


Fixed! Sorry for goofing and taking so long to get to it...
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I could have taken it to hobble the next guy, but instead I chose something that I thought would work with my first choice. I did something similar with the final two cards I had. Bad mistake. That player rolled me (and the other players) like a carpet being shipped to the cleaners.


I agree that the correct move would have been to cut the good cards from the player next to you but this would feel like a competition suicide to me because you might kill your scoring so that the other players around the table would have a shot at winning against your neighbor.

Then again, 7 Wonder is not the most competitive game out there and I have a lot of fun playing even when I've got the lowest score.
 
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