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Today, instead of my inane rambles, we will look at the history of the now ever so popular deckbuilder genre of games. This is a history I have spent a lot of time researching and didn’t make it all up in 20 minutes. I swear everything is fact checked 23 times. Especially that last bit, that isn’t a blatant lie. You might find it hard to believe that famed designer Donald X. Vaccarino once proclaimed to Richard Garfield “You sir are worse then Hitler”.

I actually hope you do find that hard to believe since I just made it up. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet kids. Unless I review something, then it’s the God’s honest truth. Gospel.

Magic: the Gathering was an early example of a deckbuilder game. The game has some interesting mechanics. First, instead of buying cards in game and placing them in your deck you had to buy cards in a completely separate game called Real Life. Real Life is an odd little game. There are several paths to victory, but is impossible to tell who is winning (except for Charlie Sheen, who is winning, jokes like these are still topical right?). Anyway, the farther you advance on the money you can waste on bits of cardstock track the more cards you can add to your magic collection and thus add to magic decks. It may seem like an ungainly system and is very prone to fiddelyness but these are the early days people! So people who may be farther down the mortgage track or the having a family track may not have as many cool cards. People claim that you can make a winning deck out of the common cards or the less expensive cards but these people are wrong. They have clearly not seen Wizard’s business plan nor have they read the “Secret History of magic set XXX”. In which it is revealed that the new plan is just to print money. I write XXX since I have no idea what the newest Magic set is and I’m far too lazy to look.

So this CCG idea prevailed for a while. People wasted money on bits of cardboard that had pictures of computer hackers, Lord of the Rings dudes, Star Wars dudes and so on. Personally I enjoyed Spellfire. Ohh it’s got some broken cards, but it’s fun. I especially enjoyed it when they decided that they should use pictures of people dressed up in costumes instead of art. Also they half assed it which made it way better.

Eventually Hero of the People Donald X. Vaccarino (HPDXV) decided that enough was enough. Card games should be based on skills and stuff not who can blow the most expendable income. So HPDXV designed Dominion. A card game for the masses! The deckbuilder genre was born. Finally designing a deck was a game and not just part of a game. I love Dominion. If you don’t believe anything else in this entry (and you really shouldn’t) you can believe that. Even though HPDXV had created a wonderful game he still needed that sweet sweet cash money so he releases an expansion for Dominion every 23 minutes. I buy them all. And the promo cards, buy them as well. I draw the line at the fan made cards though. I only play with cards officially sanctioned by HPDXV and not the malarkey that is conceived by the unwashed masses.

With the success of Dominion in place a lot of other game designers decided that they will lovingly rip off the ideas of HPDXV and make their own deck building game. Thus we have a billion of the things. In doing my extensive research for this I looked at the BGG Family of Deck Building. There are 8 pages of the damnable things. Really people? I can’t be bothered with 8 pages. Some notable examples:

Thunderstone: You know what Dominion needed, violence. Now I can agree that every game is improved with violence (My Puerto Rico: the Slave Uprising expansion never panned out) but for some reason this one doesn’t grab me. I’ve never played it.

Ascension: Chronicle of the Godslayer: You know what dominion needs, not having all the cards available all the time. Also it needs the ability to murder a cultist every turn. That cultist gets murdered a lot! I have played this and it annoys me. Every time I try and build a workable deck the cards I need don’t show up and I just murder the cultist until I lose.

Tanto Cuore: I whole heartily agree that Dominion needs more scantily clad maids. Most games do (My Puerto Rico: The Brothel expansion never panned out). My wife disagrees. Never played Tanto Cuore. (My real life happily married track remains high)

Nightfall: You know what’s popular with the kids these days? Vampires! Never played it.

A Few Acres of Snow: Dominion as a wargame! Sign me up! I really want to try this. I love war games, I love Dominion….The rules make it sound fun! Very interested…

So, some people decided that deckbuilding games should not be limited to cards! You can clearly have decks made out of other things yes? On a side note if anyone wants to play a deck building game that doesn’t use cards I have a great one. It’s called build me a deck. You play with 2x4s and it is played entirely in my back yard.

Puzzle Strike: So instead of cards we can use little cardboard chits drawn out of a bag. The unwashed masses haven’t already done this Dominion have they? (they have) It looks kind of neat but I am not very excited. Never tried it.

Quarriors: So instead of cards or chits we can draw dice out of a bag. Then we can roll a bunch of dice! Now this I like. I love rolling dice. I would be interested in trying this out. The rules however did not really grab me. I don’t know if I care for the monster battle part of the game. Perhaps it works better in person then on paper. On paper it sounds a little dull. Monster battles should be more exciting! Perhaps you could roll some dice to determine if you dice win the dice battle. Now that sounds great! Also the name of the game is terrible.

Of course there are some other games that sort of use deckbuilding. 7 Wonders for example. This uses a draft which is a way some people build decks in magic. I don’t care for 7 wonders as I just don’t see enough going on. It seems like the cards should do more after I play them. Of course 7 Wonders stole the draft idea from Fairy Tale which is a much better game. The cards don’t really do anything in Fairy Tale either, but the game is over quickly.

So there you have it. The history of the deckbuilder (fictional).

P.S. If Donald X. Vaccarino started refering to himself as HPDXV he would be even more awesome...
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I am also very interested in A Few Acres of Snow. Though, I'd say it's technically a card drafting game rather than a deck building one; the difference being that the actual building of the deck occurs mid-game with the former versus beforehand with the latter. They're two sides of the same coin, of course.

If I wasn't preoccupied with two others deck builders/card drafters at the moment--namely The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game and Omen: A Reign of War--I'd have pre-ordered the limited edition of AFAS day one like so many other BGGers. Alas, I couldn't justify the extra cost for a game that won't get as much play time as I'd want it to (even if the pieces are really, really nice). Instead, I'll be picking this up probably sometime in winter (appropriately enough) when my girlfriend and I have gotten tired of playing LOTR:TCG and Omen together and AFAS can be purchased at a FLGS.

Quarriors piqued my interest at first glance also, particularly the art. I'll look into it (read the rules) a bit further before finalizing my decision, but I don't think it's what I'm looking for right now. Not sure I would want a game with THAT many dice, either.

EDIT: Just watched Dakkenstrike's Components Breakdown of Quarriors. Seems fun, but I don't think I'll be adding it to my game collection any time soon. Would be great to own someday, though, I'm sure. I'll keep an eye on it.
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I have played the "Build Me A Deck" game twice. The first game I played took almost a month to play and required a LOT of extra items to play. The second time I played it I think I read the rules wrong or something because midway through the game I pulled the dreaded "Wife wants to Redesign" card and had to go all the way back to the beginning. Also you can't keep everything in one box, you have to use a garage. Luckily you can have any amount of players, but the more players you have it seems to take longer to play, there is a larger chance for injury (a very interesting game mechanic) and I ran out of electrical outlets. The interesting thing is that when you finally finish the game you realize that the person who owns the game always wins. This reminds me a lot of other games in the "Real Life" series, such as "Help move a couch (With the "down 3 flights of stairs" expansion), the "spring time Yard Work" game, and the nerve-racking "Help wife paint the bedroom" game.
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When I first saw the LOTR card game I was all for it...then I read the rules and such. I am not into co-op games so much. Something about it just doesn't do it for me. And the whole LCG with 57 expansions an hour scares me. I like to try and own the expansions to games I like. I already have commited to owning Dominion in all it's glory...the budget can only hold so much...(I also have to buy tiny resin ships and tanks for Dystopian Wars now)

My favorite real life game is relax on the couch for 5 minutes without getting yelled at. A very hard one to win I'd say...

I hope my wife doesn't find out about this otherwise we are playing a new game also about getting yelled at...ha!
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Is "murdering the cultist" a euphemism for something?
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loofish wrote:
Is "murdering the cultist" a euphemism for something?


If it wasn't, it certainly is now.

Now excuse me, but I need to go murder the cultist, if you know what I mean...
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Wow, Mike, you only played two of the games on your list, and the worst one, by far (Ascension).

There is a worse game than Ascension, and it's called Heroes of Graxia, which didn't make your list (and you're not missing much there).

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Arctic Scavengers was the first after Dominion, before Thunderstone.
It was bought up by RGG, maybe to stop any competition to their money-maker, the big D.
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ricottma wrote:
When I first saw the LOTR card game I was all for it... (but) the whole LCG with 57 expansions an hour scares me. I like to try and own the expansions to games I like. I already have commited to owning Dominion in all it's glory...the budget can only hold so much...


Don't worry about the expansions to LOTR, at the rate they are actually being released the Hunt for Gollum should be out some time around Christmas 2012.
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Is "murdering the cultist" a euphemism for something?


Sadly no (well not yet). In the game one of the things to do is to use your military might to kill off monsters. If you have some military but there are no monsters you can kill then the cultist is always available to kil...over and over again.

Now...

"Man my wife has been out of town for a week, so I've had to murder the cultist a lot"

"Better be careful, murder the cultist to often and you could summon an Elder God!"

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ricottma wrote:
loofish wrote:
Is "murdering the cultist" a euphemism for something?


Sadly no (well not yet). In the game one of the things to do is to use your military might to kill off monsters. If you have some military but there are no monsters you can kill then the cultist is always available to kil...over and over again.

Now...

"Man my wife has been out of town for a week, so I've had to murder the cultist a lot"

"Better be careful, murder the cultist to often and you could summon an Elder God!"



The most mispelled word in the net to often->too often
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On a side note if anyone wants to play a deck building game that doesn’t use cards I have a great one. It’s called build me a deck. You play with 2x4s and it is played entirely in my back yard.




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Perhaps the goal is to often misspell too often?

Remember kids. Two oftens wronged do not make a write.
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Of course 7 Wonders stole the draft idea from Fairy Tale which is a much better game.


Since factuality is of preeminence in this artistic endeavor of yours, I figure I should mention that Notre Dame (2007) used drafting before 7 Wonders, and more importantly, that the 2nd M:tG pro tournament in LA (1996) used drafting.

You know what? I was at that tournament in LA and I had the best record of the whole tournament for the first two days. This is actually true. Even so I did not make it to the 3rd day because of some serious problems with the format which Wizards changed for the next pro tournament. They told me I made the top 8. I was excited. I could not sleep that night. I went to the tournament the next day and was informed that I actually took 9th place instead of 8th place. Yes, it is a sad story. You can cry now. I did.
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Personally I enjoyed Spellfire. Ohh it’s got some broken cards, but it’s fun. I especially enjoyed it when they decided that they should use pictures of people dressed up in costumes instead of art. Also they half assed it which made it way better.


Not that I'm bragging, but I've heard from some of my industry friends that they are the people on those Spellfire cards. It seems like the anti-sextape: that nugget of information will probably hurt your career quite a bit.
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You can cry now.


Done

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that nugget of information will probably hurt your career quite a bit


I would hire anyone who appeared on a Spellfire card. If I had the power to hire people and they were qualified. Being on the card would be like a 1/2 point bonus!
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thumbsup For a well-written blog and history of deckbuilding. Unfortunately, you also receive a thumbsdown for failing to mention the oft-maligned Barbarossa in your list, although you get a for mentioning Tanto Cuore, which actually really sucks, but is made by Arclight, the publisher of Barbarossa.
 
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The Egyptians and Aztecs took their deck building very seriously. And even though they had a shortage of electrical outlets - Their decks are still standing thousands of years later.

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I have played the "Build Me A Deck" game twice. The first game I played took almost a month to play and required a LOT of extra items to play. The second time I played it I think I read the rules wrong or something because midway through the game I pulled the dreaded "Wife wants to Redesign" card and had to go all the way back to the beginning. Also you can't keep everything in one box, you have to use a garage. Luckily you can have any amount of players, but the more players you have it seems to take longer to play, there is a larger chance for injury (a very interesting game mechanic) and I ran out of electrical outlets. The interesting thing is that when you finally finish the game you realize that the person who owns the game always wins.
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thumbsup For a well-written blog and history of deckbuilding. Unfortunately, you also receive a thumbsdown for failing to mention the oft-maligned Barbarossa in your list, although you get a for mentioning Tanto Cuore, which actually really sucks, but is made by Arclight, the publisher of Barbarossa.


Next up, a brief history of sexy ladies in card games...
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ricottma wrote:
Next up, a brief history of sexy ladies in card games...

You'll get many, many thumbs if you do.
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ricottma wrote:
Next up, a brief history of sexy ladies in card games...

You'll get many, many thumbs if you do.

So it will be worth the many hours of research.
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ricottma wrote:
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El Alamein, the games Jigmelingpa, and pretty much anything produced by Arclight will give you hours of "research" material.
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tedtalb wrote:
I have played the "Build Me A Deck" game twice. The first game I played took almost a month to play and required a LOT of extra items to play. The second time I played it I think I read the rules wrong or something because midway through the game I pulled the dreaded "Wife wants to Redesign" card and had to go all the way back to the beginning.


I played the 'build me a deck' game with my dad 3 years ago. I looked at the random events, and wanted to take out the 'hit your thumb with a hammer' event, but the rules said I couldn't because it would make the game unbalanced..

Of course I was the lucky one to draw it, right before drawing the 'Wife brings you a bandage and a beer' event, wich nullify it's effect. Talk about an insane combo. I also lost 10 points for 'swearing in front of kids', wich was a promo houserule...shake
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Brilliant! I believe I've never read a more accurate assessment of Magic... ever.



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ricottma wrote:
loofish wrote:
Is "murdering the cultist" a euphemism for something?


Sadly no (well not yet). In the game one of the things to do is to use your military might to kill off monsters. If you have some military but there are no monsters you can kill then the cultist is always available to kil...over and over again.

Now...

"Man my wife has been out of town for a week, so I've had to murder the cultist a lot"

"Better be careful, murder the cultist to often and you could summon an Elder God!"



The most mispelled word in the net to often->too often


I see that mistake waaaaay two often!

Back on topic:
I'm teally sad about the fact that the "Resident Evil deck building game" didn't make it onto your list. shake
 
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