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Game Gone Bye Bye - Selected F's, G's, H's, and I's

Kevin Whitmore
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Still reading this? Wow! Just tuning in? I have been exploring some of the 500+ games I have removed from my collection.

Flowerpower - I've noticed that this game has turned into a grail game for some folks. I certainly didn't hate it. But I didn't think it was anything special either. On some level it is a domino variant. It's a 2p game, of course. But I didn't feel it was a great strategic game, yet it induced a silent struggle of pansies.

Formula-1 - This is a pretty cool game, especially for the early 60's. I rather liked it. But after a few plays I could tell I was not likely to play it much anymore. You can see the bones of Formula De here, and I have to admit I'd prefer to play Formula De. So when a friend was looking for a good race game for his children, I happily gifted this game.

Frontier-6 - Okay, this isn't a popular or well known game. But I have some fond memories of it, and would agree to play again in the unlikely event anyone ever asked me to play. Take Monopoly, apply a well integrated "Old West" theme and incorporate a rustling chase mechanic. Voila! Good game, if you can stand the randomness.

Giganten - I really wanted to like this one. It was one of the first Euros I bought, and the game materials were uber-cool. But while the game was some fun to play, it didn't deliver enough reward for strategic thought. In some ways the game played you - with too many obvious choices through the many game phases.

Goldland - Here's another game that I see has achieved coveted grail status for some. I think its a conspiracy that these games gain value after I trade them away. Anyway, Goldland never was too well received around here. I was initially happy to have it, as it was part of my (deceased) Goldsieber collection. I recall noting that Goldsiber had collected the three "Big K's" with an exploration game from each: Klaus Teuber with Entdecker, Knizia with Africa and Kramer with Goldland. The major problem with Goldland was that it dragged as you added players. I think it was probably best with 3 players. But we played too many times with more players, and eventually we tired of it as a slow game.

Hamsterrolle - I still play this occasionally as a friend has a copy. It is a provocative game, and always garners attention from bystanders. For me, I decided to clear it out when I decided I was not as interested in balancing games as I had previously thought. I kept Bamboleo, but Arbos, Bandu, Kapitan Wackepudding and Hamsterrolle were removed.

Le Havre - As I write this I see Le Havre is ranked as #6 on BGG. Huh. Personally I was underwhelmed. One big problem I had with the game was the fidliness, and the ever increasing options. Cards were scattered all over the board, hard to read, and players nearly locked up trying to figure out what options they had and then which one they should take.

Hellas - Here's a game that I was initially quite happy with. You can read my gushing about it here: http://www.thegamesjournal.com/reviews/Hellas.shtml. But ultimately I ended up agreeing with my co-author, Mark Johnson, and found Hellas wanting. The game is nearly guaranteed to create a tight finish, and I would still probably enjoy an occasional game of Hellas. But there is a proper way to play - draw as many cards as you can, especially the War and Zeus cards. He who draws best will likely win.

History of the World - The only reason I let this one go, is because I now own A Brief History of the World!

Illuminati - This is such an 80's game. It was fun and irreverent. But boy were those tiny cards and bits of paper money annoying. A friend got the deluxe version, which was better. But I fear the sun has set on this game. If I were to play again, it would merely be for nostalgia.

In Teufels Küche - Some of the local players think I am cracked for having traded this away. Maybe I am- the game is wildly over-produced. No other game has a cookstove that has a devil randomly pop out! But as charming as the game materials are, I found the game itself to not be to my tastes. I will play occasionally as another copy is still around here. But it is not a favorite.

Indonesia - Despite some high esteem from a few of my trail-marking geek buddies, I could not get into this game. I know I never gave this game enough chances, I only played once. But the drab materials and quirky rules along with my general weariness upon trying to read the rules doomed this one. I suppose I would be willing to try again, but I won't be the one trying to teach it.

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Alex Sorbello
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I Almost could have written this as well.
I still own hamsterrolle and Indonesia. I really enjoy hamsterrolle as a quick game (at least most of the time) and i really want to like try Indonesia again. however getting to play a lot more 18xx over the years it seems like it will be one of those games that is overshadowed. not that i put Indonesia in the same camp as 18xx just when we can play a lenghty game it seems like 18xx will take priority every time...

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I had a similar experience with Giganten. Its been a while, but I recall feeling there was no way to catch someone with an early lead.

Goldland was fun, but really light and more of a family game. I'd probably find more use for it now, but there are better options for that scenario. I do like that exploration theme, though.

Hamsterrolle is still a favorite. I can't imagine a reason to part with my copy. Its a great ice-breaker, and I often take it to "game nights" such as at church or with casual game players. Its really fun as a team game, too.

I still have my copy of Le Havre, and even played the solitaire variant a few times. I see why its rated highly, and I actually think its a better game than Agricola....but its got some steep barriers to getting it on the table. I'll probably part with my copy in the not-too-distant future. The game is too long and too difficult to teach quickly to ever get played.

Indonesia is a game I'll have to make a push to play sometime this year. I think it will be up my alley, and its a shame my copy has sat unplayed so long. I also need to get Antiquity on the table again.
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It sounds like you only gave Le Havre one play. I felt the same as you after my first play: too many cards, too many options. Part of this was due to trying it with five players. When you are only getting one action per round through much of the game, it makes it very difficult to learn.

I tried it again with three players a year later and I was hooked. Four players is now my ideal, but three is fine, and five is to be avoided.
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Hi Dan,

I played le Havre three times, plus I tried it solitaire. Obviously I am a minority opinion - we're talking about a highly ranked game. I'm not totally opposed to trying it again, but its not going to be a game I request.
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dcorban wrote:
It sounds like you only gave Le Havre one play. I felt the same as you after my first play: too many cards, too many options. Part of this was due to trying it with five players. When you are only getting one action per round through much of the game, it makes it very difficult to learn.

I tried it again with three players a year later and I was hooked. Four players is now my ideal, but three is fine, and five is to be avoided.


I've played Le Havre about a dozen times with multiple set of players. Although i really wanted to like the game there is a sense of something wrong when you can block someone with doing not a action for your token, and then doing another action. The game is good, however with all those cards you're still only doing the same thing every game and it does not feel like i'm acomplishing anything.
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Hi Kevin,

I'd like to comment on some of these games. I do not own any of them, and like you have traded away several of these 'grail' games, with no regrets:

FlowerPower: was able to get this in a trade years ago, when it was widely coveted, but not that hard to acquire. I thought it would be a great couples game, and it in fact my wife was quite fond of it. But then I read an article that said the scoring was imbalanced, that it was better to score small and often than hold out for larger scores. With this knowledge I was able to consistantly win, and that sucked all the fun out of it for me.

Giganten: I agree with you 100%.

Goldland: gorgeous game from a great designer, that seemed like more work than fun every time I played it. I'll still play it if someone really wants to, but I won't ever suggest it.

Hellas: lots of situations didn't seem to be explained in the rules. Kind of fiddly, and in the end just not my cup of tea.

Le Havre: never have played it, but it's rated highly, and on sale at Tanga as I write. I'm tempted, but you've convinced me to save my money. Thanks Kevin!
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