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This is another post that I had prepared a couple months ago or so , released without further edit from it original content , when it was being held for submission to FFG , but it would have only been seen by 2 or 3 people over there on their site , since they don’t really promote it , so oh well . Their loss is BGG’s gain .






I don’t remember who , but some one recently posted pics of their terrain , either here on FFG forums , or over on BGG forum section . And what struck me about it was that some one asked a question about making it , or wishing they could make it or something along those lines , and the author replied with something along the lines of " oh just cut some RDF " , or HDC , or some material along those lines as though just every one should already have the tools AND experience necessary to cut such materials and finish them up .

And if who ever wrote that reads this , don’t take offence . I’m not picking on you , just bringing up an example of what’s wrong with a lot of articles about the hobby aspect of gaming . Too many articles are written as though the reader is moderate to well experienced , and should just have all the proper tools already , and know what you are talking about . And the problem with that , is that even most die hard long time gamers are not well experienced in the hobby aspect of gaming , so the majority will have little or no experience , so the articles are written for the wrong audience .

Now when I do the majority of my projects , that these articles will follow along with , I use sturdy materials like tempered masonite , RDF , HDC , particle board , ply wood , or my favorite : PVC FOAM BOARD . But I realize that I am fortunate to have a number of tools , and a great deal of experience that most of you do not .

If you look in the magazines and read the terrain making articles and books by long standing companies like Privateer Press , and GW , their terrain is verrrrry pretty , but its also delicate as hell . Its generally made of cheap , easy to handle materials like foam board , or card stock , or balsa wood and Styrofoam . Ya it looks pretty , but unless you play with it only at your house , and treat it like a new born baby , it breaks all to fast , and looks like trash .

The reason I use the materials I do is because I want something that will last a very long time .

But even if you don’t have the same tools and materials I do , you can still make some really nice terrain , and duplicate just about every thing I do , using some lesser materials like cardboard or foam board . But I have a twist to teach you : construction adhesive .

And hence this article .

This article will give you some tips and tricks to get you started . This article will involve using cardboard as its basis . What I show you here , you can apply to just about any terrain project , using card board , mat board , foam board , or any other lesser building material . and the more you try it , the better results you will get . You will still need to treat your terrain with care , but not as much as you normally would


For this project , you will need :
Some corrugated card board
White glue
An exacto knife with a new blade
A cutting surface
Craft paints
Paint brushes
Construction adhesive
A large plastic ziplock style bag
A can of Spray paint
Krylon clear sealant
Testors dull coat lacquer
Various terrain bits to decorate your pieces as desired .




When most people think of "card board" , they think of corrugated card board . it’s the stuff big boxes are made of , that have the little wavy lines on the edges . That wavy line is a layer of card board that snakes back and forth , and gives the box better structural integrity . And if you notice , the corrugation always runs up/down , never side to side in the boxes . This is because the corrugation only adds strength in one direction , up and down along its rows .








Here you can see 3 squares I traced and cut out of a piece of corrugated card board .

I have marked on them to show what direction the rows of corrugation run . I am going to glue them together , in this order . The reason for this is that by having the rows cross each other , it will give better structural integrity , so that the piece wont bend or warp as easily .

After applying glue , put the piece under a heavy flat surface to dry .







Here you can see the 3 squares after they have dried . You can see the corrugation directions .








Here I have taken an exacto knife and cut the edge at an angle , to give the square a more natural shape , as opposed to just a blocky square edge .

It is super important to have a good sharp new blade in the exacto knife when you try this .

Be very careful !








Her I have taken the exacto knife , and cut further angles to further break up the shape of the original card board tile .









Because I wanteed a couple of big boulders , but didn’t want the weight of using real rocks , I made this block of cardboard by gluing several pieces together , and letting them dry over night .








Now I cut the block in half , at an angle .







Here I have carved one of the pieces into a rough rock shape .









After carving the second into a rock shape , I glued them onto the tile , and let them completely dry .













Ok , now comes the twist .Do this in a well ventilated area , and be sure to read the instructions and warnings and follow all the safety rules , on the package :

Most terrain manuals say to use light spackle or some similar material to fill gaps , but the problem is that its pretty much just plaster , or some similar material , so when it dries , its very brittle , and over time it cracks and you end up with a lot of white cracks showing through , which looks sloppy on your table top .

I learned a long time ago about the wonders of construction adhesive . Construction adhesive is the generic name , and most stores sell their own store brand , even Walmart , but for those that want name brand , its called "liquid nail " . if you don’t want to get a tube of it and a caulking gun ( both of which are pretty cheap at Walmart ), they do sell it in smaller quantities for smaller projects .

You do have to take some care when using it , and anyone under 18 should get their parents permission to use it , because it does contain harmful chemicals and releases some fumes as it dries . While handling the stuff , I usually wear rubber gloves , just because I use it prodigiously , so I am exposed to it more than most others would be . I am not saying this to scare people , but its important to stop and look at what you are handling . As minis gamers , we tend to be exposed to toxins we don’t think about : resin chemicals , lead , paint fumes , etc ... , so just take care , and protect your health , especially if you are super sensitive to chemical allergic reactions , so something like that . I have used this stuff for projects , off and on for about 15 years or so , Cough ....and ..... IHhht gasp ....sputter hasn’t effected me .....twitch none .

It also takes a little practice to get used to , because it starts to dry fast , and it gets super sticky for a few minutes , so it can be kinda like trying to handle a piece of fly paper , but once you get used to it , its easy to master .

While using construction adhesive doesn’t make your projects indestructible , it does make them sturdier than if you use spackle or some similar gap filler to coat them .

Using a plastic butter knife , I spread it on the bottom of the tile , and allowed it to dry over night .












Now that its bottom is dry , I put it on the plastic bag , and wearing a latex glove , I smeared it on over the entire piece .

Again , do this in a well ventilated area .

Now as you do this , you need to make sure to get it in all the recesses , and fill all the holes .

The surface of the liquid nail starts to dry quickly , so it gets really sticky , leaves a rough looking surface as it tugs as you rub over it , don’t worry , just make sure to cover the whole surface of the piece and fill any gaps .

Let it sit for about 4 or 5 minutes or so . As the surface dries ( and it dries quickly ) , it losses its stickiness . Gently tap it once with a finger , to see if its dry enough to not stick to your finger . If it is dry enough , you can GENTLY tap the surface all over the piece with your finger , and smooth out the surface . But keep in mind , that it doesn’t have to be absolutely perfect .

This is also a point , that for other projects , you can do a little shaping/texturing . I did some castle towers several years ago , and at this point , when the surface had dried enough , I use a plastic knife to add in some brick shapes and such .

The construction adhesive adds some weight .

Now let it dry over knight .

Now , if after it dries , you see that you need to fill in a few more gaps , do so as needed and let it dry again for about 24 hours .








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Next , peel it off the plastic , and trim the edges so it looks tidy .

At this point , its really up to you on how you want to decorate it . If you want stones and rocks , add them , if you don’t , then don’t . I’m not Bob Ross , so I’m not teaching you to make something for my tastes , I am showing you this so you can learn the techniques , and try your own projects , to match your own personal battle field set up .

Here I have used a mixture of glue and sand to texture the boulders . The reason I am doing this now , is because when I prime it , it will soften the texture on the boulders further , so that they look more like boulders that just a rock covered in sand . So that it stands out more from the sand on the base . It also fills in gaps , so the surface is smoother and has a better finish .

I have also glued on some tallus stones and ballast gravel .









Here I have primed the tile with black spray paint , and painted the bare sections with textured paint . Again , the texture paint can fill in any unsightly gaps that are still left , and give a nice smooth surface over any gaps in the construction adhesive surface .

When you prime this , you want a good coverage , but don’t over prime it or it loses detail , and you get drip marks .

Textured paint is a mixture of paint and sand . You can mix more or less sand , depending on the texture you want . Here I have mixed about half a table spoon of paint , and about half a table spoon of "scenic sand " .

When you make your own textured paint , you can use sand from your yard if you want , but make sure its clean sand , not from your pets favorite peeing spot .

I live in an apartment without access to clean sand , so I use scenic sand that I bought at Hobby Lobby . It’s the same sand people use to do sand paintings and such . Using scenic sand , I can also pick the color . I prefer black , since it helps make a nice dark texture paint .










Once I paint the rocks a dark gray , from this point , its pretty much all going to be dry brushing .

Dry brushing , for those that don’t know , is a method of painting where you dip the brush in paint , then wipe it on a sponge or towel to remove some of the paint (without rinsing the brush off) . This leaves enough paint on the brush that when you pull it over the models , it only touches the raised surfaces , so any recessed areas are left untouched . Its an easy way to add shadows and highlights by dry brushing a model with lighter or darker shades or tints of the same base coat color .

Let it dry for at least 3 or 4 days to make sure its completely dry . The reason it takes longer is because the texture paint is thicker , and so it holds moisture better than regular paint .

So now its time to seal them . First a good coat of the Krylon , make sure you coat all the surfaces , every corner and side except the underside . This is the coat that REALLLLLLLY protects the paint . So make sure it’s a good one .

Let that dry for AT LEAST several hours .

Now you will notice its too shiny , even when dry . So apply a light coat of the Testors dull coat lacquer . The purpose of this is JUST to eliminate the shine , so it doesn’t need to be heavy , just enough to lightly cover the surface .

Now let it dry at least over night .

It is very important that you seal these well . While we all try to take care of our miniatures , and the terrain wont be handled nearly as much , these are YOUR babies , and other players are not nearly as likely to treat them as carefully when they handle them . Following my directions , you should produce a slightly sturdy piece of terrain , but the paint is only a surface treatment . So you need to protect it .

















Now you can decorate it how ever you want . I have applied a little bit of slightly watered down glue , and added static grass , moss , and a couple trees .

The finished project is not indestructible , but its better than most of what you will find people making and selling on EBAY , and sturdier too .

I have been a minis gamer for 20 years , and I have seen pretty much every thing that has been tried in one form or other for terrain making , and as I look at this , I would be hard pressed to tell that this isn’t a mass produced piece made by some big company , and if I didn’t build it , I would never believe it was just a bunch of spruced up cardboard . I know the pictures lose some of the details , but in person , its just that good , and its something that anyone can do .







Here are some other examples of terrain I have made using cardboard , like the rock time , and using the same techniques to get drastically different end products .


















































Now as I have written this , you need to realize that while its not as easy as I made it look , its not much harder . It just takes a little practice to start getting good . If you saw the mangled things I made when I started gaming about 20 years ago , you would be surprised that this is where all that led .

So don’t get discouraged if your first few attempts look like "ashtrays" , if you practice , you will get it .

Practice it a few times , and you will get just as good , its just a matter of a little experience .

And if you get good enough at it , and with a little forethought , you can create "masters" to use for making molds from to create your own resin terrain pieces .
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Those trees are nice, where did you get them? I was going to order some railroad trees online, but wasn't positive of the railroad scale to get.
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they were ................. re-tasked . i had a few left over from christmas . stores like dollar tree and biglots get miniature village scenery a couple months before christmas . i took 2 of them and spray painted them green to cover the white snow effect .

its a cheap source of trees .
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Those trees are nice, where did you get them? I was going to order some railroad trees online, but wasn't positive of the railroad scale to get.

As a former model builder, I can tell you that HO scale is "around" 1/72 scale. If you're ever in a hobby shop take a look at the size of figures and vehicles for 1/62 scale. N scale is much smaller. Also, if you want to go BIGGER, there are all sorts of accessories out there in the hobby world for 1/35 scale which is a more common standard for military verhicles and troops. By more common, I mean through my experiences. Some may differ and prefer other scales.
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I am not a follower of Dust at all (though I briefly considered it). But I am subscribing to this blog because of the high quality and inspirational material for modelling (I am getting started on A Song of Blades and Heroes and other small minis games after along time away from table top gaming).

Great job!

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Great work Kris! cool
 
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thnx guys , always glad to pass along ideas .

when i first got into table top gaming , all my stuff looked like CR@P , and while my minis got better , my terrain took forever to catch up , cause there were no good articles to explain any of it , just pictures of the first step , and the last . so i was pretty discouraged , and had a lot of "ashtrays" on the battle field . now i have the experience , so i figure i will pass it along with as much info as possible to help , plus doing this on this blog , i can answer questions if some one wants to know something .

its funny , but i have 2 GW terrain making books , the first i got 8 or 10ish years ago ? it is the most unhelpful thing i have ever seen , because it doesnt really tell or you how to do anything . but their second one was alot better , but it was still not really written for beginners .

its taking me a while to get some of the articels out , because it a pain to do the resizing of pics , and them to a photo site , and then repost the links here and get it all put together .

i also plan to eventually have a spare DT walker to post in the pics for scale comparisson , but that would require that i have an extra one i can bare to leave at home ( i keep my DT stuff in 4 lockers at my FLGS )



and its amusing , one of my new players pointed out to me the other day that when he was considering getting into trhe game , he came here , and looked at the page , and saw that almost all the files and blog post contributions are mine . apparently , i'm the only one really pumping stuff out
 
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I am not a follower of Dust at all (though I briefly considered it). But I am subscribing to this blog because of the high quality and inspirational material for modelling (I am getting started on A Song of Blades and Heroes and other small minis games after along time away from table top gaming).

Great job!

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in ref to caradoc , anyone seeing something like this as useful to other games , help spread the word , tell others about the blog , and post a comment to let me know what games listings here on BGG i should include this on , i can post it to multiple games here by adding the item link when i post them .

and thnx for the thumbs & GG guys its always appreciated to know your appreciated
 
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Keep rocking it, GrandInquisitorKris!

The biggest challenge for me is finding the equivalents here in Japan (=.=)>
 
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You are indeed a credit to the gaming community, GrandInquisitorKris.

I have been building Heroscape "stuff" for years, and find your work fantastic and inspirational.

I love the way you built the rock scenery: using built up pieces of cardboard is a great idea! I am not too big a fan of Liquid Nails, but maybe I will give it a try using your methods.

As for the way you redesigned those Walkers, I am amazed. Your ability to add weapons and create an entirely new look is mind-staggereing. Without a doubt I suspect you are the best "Dust Tactics Walker Alterer" on BGG!

Thanks for taking the time to put together such an educational article complete with photos. I can tell what you do is really a labor of love!

Please continue to share! I for one will be watching.

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You are indeed a credit to the gaming community, GrandInquisitorKris.


I love the way you built the rock scenery: using built up pieces of cardboard is a great idea! I am not too big a fan of Liquid Nails, but maybe I will give it a try using your methods.

As for the way you redesigned those Walkers, I am amazed. Your ability to add weapons and create an entirely new look is mind-staggereing. Without a doubt I suspect you are the best "Dust Tactics Walker Alterer" on BGG!



thnx .

the liquid nail looks pretty rough on the rocks , but the texture paint really softens it up .

one biig advantage to useing the cardboard , was the kinda stryated look you can really see on the rock on the right , its something that i have always had a problem trying to do when using other methods of making them .

and remember , you can use the generic brands , mine was walmart brand generic .

and i am surprised by how few other walker mods i have seen . i would have thought that there would be plenty of other people doing it since the system is so simple .
 
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You're a pusher. devil

Seriously, it's great you posted all this information. I've recently gotten into mini gaming and the terrain part is the most difficult. Now I have a place to start.
 
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You're a pusher. devil

Seriously, it's great you posted all this information. I've recently gotten into mini gaming and the terrain part is the most difficult. Now I have a place to start.


thats kinda why i started doing this , even if FFG had not approached me all those months ago , i got some inquiries back when DT first came out , with people asking me for advice on how to start their terrain collections , and alot of them didnt have access to tools or friends with tools to cust harder materials , so i figured doing an article like this one , would gove all the people that dont have a table top band saw , etc...... the ability to make some good looking terrain , and using this technique , they can pretty much copy what ever i make , regardless of what i make it out of . and even though FFG droped the ball , i plan to keep doing this stuff , and running with it




and keep in mind guys , i've had some setbacks , so some of the future projects are delayed while i try to come up with cash for a good table saw ( yes , some of my ideas require a table saw , THEY ARE THAT BIG ) , but i have HUGE ideas on the horrizon , you aint seen nothin yet ! devilarrrhwhistle
 
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wow , this post got so much attention , i just had to delete 2 posts from it from some spammer advertising gucci handbags and shooes and such shake

cant have them getting free ad space on my blog now
 
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By the way, what do you have planned for all those grey tubes piled in the background of a couple of your photos?
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well it is a little known fact that the most viscious warriors of the celts ran into battle screaming PRADDA!!!!!!!!!!


i use those as generic obsticles/scrap for some games . i was a projection manager years ago , and those are the plastic rings that the individual movie trailers came on , i collected a bunch , and glued them together in sets of 3-5 . i used to have buckets of them , but they all got lost over the years .

i plan to make more some day by cutting down a PVC pipe .
 
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Just curious- I have been meaning to construct small piles of "metal" pipe (actually 1/4 inch plastic pipe) to scatter around the battlefield of Dust Tactics, complete with a bit of snow and ice.

Your plastic looked too big, and I just had to ask what was going on. I could see yours as tank traps or such, though...
 
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Just curious- I have been meaning to construct small piles of "metal" pipe (actually 1/4 inch plastic pipe) to scatter around the battlefield of Dust Tactics, complete with a bit of snow and ice.

Your plastic looked too big, and I just had to ask what was going on. I could see yours as tank traps or such, though...


I thought maybe he was going to make them into huge oil drums or something, like the big tanks at a refinery or whatever.
 
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volnon wrote:
Just curious- I have been meaning to construct small piles of "metal" pipe (actually 1/4 inch plastic pipe) to scatter around the battlefield of Dust Tactics, complete with a bit of snow and ice.

Your plastic looked too big, and I just had to ask what was going on. I could see yours as tank traps or such, though...


I thought maybe he was going to make them into huge oil drums or something, like the big tanks at a refinery or whatever.





MWA HA HA HA HA HA .........................

its a while down the road , but there are similar plans in the works
 
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Excellent!
 
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Useful blog, Chris.
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A tip to make large rocks, lighning fast, and pretty realistic: pine bark nuggets, used for gardening. It's commonly used by miniature gamers around here. Glue them on base, paint them, done.


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Useful blog, Chris.
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A tip to make large rocks, lighning fast, and pretty realistic: pine bark nuggets, used for gardening. It's commonly used by miniature gamers around here. Glue them on base, paint them, done.


Yes, they work amazingly well for rocks!
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A tip to make large rocks, lighning fast, and pretty realistic: pine bark nuggets, used for gardening. It's commonly used by miniature gamers around here. Glue them on base, paint them, done.




wouldnt be as impressive if i didnt make them from scratch


plus , i have a hard time finding the pine bark nuggets in the right size here , its usually to thin to do big rocks
 
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