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Asmadi Games Opens Preorders for Innovation: Echoes of the Past

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U.S. pubilsher Asmadi Games has announced that preorders are open for Carl Chudyk's Innovation: Echoes of the Past, an expansion for the 2010 card game Innovation that is scheduled to debut in print at Origins 2011.

As in the base game, Innovation: Echoes of the Past includes 110 cards, 105 cards that are divided into different decks (labeled age 1 to age 10) and five cards that show special achievements that can be claimed.

In loose terms, Innovation is a Civilization-style game in which players first have access to low-powered cards in age 1, then build up to more powerful cards in later ages, stacking new acquisitions on old to build the strength of their holdings. Player meld cards, score points and take special actions (called "dogma actions") unique to their cards in play in order to claim achievements. The first player to claim 4-6 achievements, depending on the number of players, wins the game.

Innovation: Echoes of the Past changes game play from the base game in a number of ways. First, the number of cards in each age deck is determined by the number of players, instead of being constant. Second, to create the age decks, players shuffle together the cards from the base game and expansion for each age, then deal out the proper number of cards. Third, the maximum player count is increased to five.

Fourth, and most interestingly, Innovation: Echoes of the Past introduces new game mechanisms. With foreshadow, revealed by Asmadi's Chris Cieslik in this Jan. 2011 BGG thread, a player can stash a card under his player board, then bring it into play (and use it) on a later turn when he melds a card that's from the same age or a higher one.

Echo is another new mechanism, with the icon on a card being replaced by a smaller block of text, as in this card shown below:



When you take the dogma action on this card – or on any card in the same stack as this card – all visible echoes are executed, starting with those on the bottom of the stack, then moving upward. "Echoes of the past", right? Says Cieslik, "So even after you've melded over a card, an echo of its abilities will be heard in the future."

In early 2010, Asmadi Games printed a run of 120 copies of Innovation with print-on-demand cards (with buyers receiving replacement cards later) in order to get publicity for the game and receive feedback from these players. For Innovation: Echoes of the Past, Cieslik has adopted a different approach, taking preorders at AsmadiGames.com for $30 from U.S. buyers ($35 from Canada, $40 from Europe/Asia) and promising to deliver a copy of the expansion in Q3 2011. "In the meantime," says Cieslik, "you'll have access to a PDF of all the cards that you can print and play to help us test the cards before the game goes to print." PDFs will become available to buyers during the week of February 14, 2011.



Note that all card graphics shown in this post are temporary and the card layouts are not final.
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Preordered! The PDF is a great idea. It's easy to print and slip the card to a sleeve, especially as the new cards will replace old cards.

Five-player games of Innovation - now that sounds fun.
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Is it a stand alone expansion as well? i.e. playable on its own.
 
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Is it a stand alone expansion as well? i.e. playable on its own.


No, I don't believe it is.
 
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ropearoni4 wrote:
Is it a stand alone expansion as well? i.e. playable on its own.


According to this thread, it's not specifically designed to be a standalone expansion.

Expansion Question

 
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msaari wrote:
Preordered! The PDF is a great idea. It's easy to print and slip the card to a sleeve, especially as the new cards will replace old cards.

Five-player games of Innovation - now that sounds fun.


It's even easier for me. I was an original preorder. Those cards are still sleeved

Cut, insert, play!
 
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Here's hoping that the expansion will come in a box big enough to hold the cards from the original game as well! The 2nd printing box can barely hold the cards sleeved from the base game.
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msaari wrote:
Five-player games of Innovation - now that sounds fun.

Not going to happen in our gaming group, though.
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Yeah, can't find five players who won't go "ecch" when Innovation is presented... I don't get it.
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I soooo ordered this!
 
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Finally!

Asmadi already got my money
 
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Well that was an easy pre-order.
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dedbob wrote:
Here's hoping that the expansion will come in a box big enough to hold the cards from the original game as well! The 2nd printing box can barely hold the cards sleeved from the base game.


Did they make the box smaller?

My 1st edition holds 2 sleeved copies of the games comfortably.

There was a white insert (if you can call it that) in the box that I tossed to make room but there was plenty.
 
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The 2nd printing box is much thinner, yes.
 
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Is Band-Aid ok to use? Doesn't Johnson & Johnson still hold it as a trademark or has it gone generic.
 
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Pre-ordered! Looking forward to that PDF!
 
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Is Band-Aid ok to use? Doesn't Johnson & Johnson still hold it as a trademark or has it gone generic.


Band-Aid won't be the final title of the card -- for just the beta version we used a few 'proper' nouns because it's more fun.
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I've been waiting for this since I heard it was tested with a few folks at BGG.con... I'm a big fan of the game and keep introducing it to people at our game group. Can't wait to see the pdf!!
 
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Is Band-Aid ok to use? Doesn't Johnson & Johnson still hold it as a trademark or has it gone generic.


Band-Aid won't be the final title of the card -- for just the beta version we used a few 'proper' nouns because it's more fun.

"Adhesive bandage" sounds a little more ominous, though!
 
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Any suggestions for play testing using the pdf if you don't have spare cards with proper backs from the 1st beta?
 
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I'll address that in the email when I distribute the PDFs
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Ordered it on the spot. We have been longing for more cards for the 3 player games for a while !!
 
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Any suggestions for play testing using the pdf if you don't have spare cards with proper backs from the 1st beta?


My Innovation is sleeved, so printing and slipping the new cards in the sleeves should do the trick - after all, the new cards will replace some old cards whenever they are used.
 
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I'm notoriously cheap and prone to bouts of discount spending. That said, this is the first game I've ever pre-ordered. It's *that* much fun for us...

Looking forward to the cool new features.

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Expansion for the game of the decade? Easy.
 
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Innovation was the first game I ever pre-ordered. Just did it again.
 
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I missed the boat on Innovation the first time around and had to scramble to get a copy after it's popularity boom. I'm not missing out this time. Pre-ordered.

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Checked my email again this morning looking for the PDF - I can't wait!!
 
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Is this playable as a stand alone, since it has the same amount of cards in it as the base game?
 
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You could theoretically play a game with just the 110 cards in the expansion. I do not recommend it, and the rules for the base game are not included in the expansion.
 
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The 2nd printing box of Innovation is so thin the stack of 100+ cards doesn't properly fit. The box top won't close completely. Divided into two 52-card stacks requires me to jettison the (now useless) insert. Did somebody get metric vs. American units confused in specifying box dimensions for this?

Trying to fit Innovation + Echos of the Past into this box, even without the insert, will be a lost cause. Another 5-10mm of either box height or width would have been perfect.

Rant over. Great game by the way.
 
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Factory messed up. The insert was not the correct one, should've been the one for two 55 card stacks, which is the case in the third printing. The 1st printing box was big enough for the expansion, but people complained that it was too big...
 
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Factory messed up. The insert was not the correct one, should've been the one for two 55 card stacks, which is the case in the third printing. The 1st printing box was big enough for the expansion, but people complained that it was too big...


Not those of us that preordered the first time and ended up with two copies of the game; incidentally which also allows for easy proto mock up of the expansion
 
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Factory messed up. The insert was not the correct one, should've been the one for two 55 card stacks, which is the case in the third printing. The 1st printing box was big enough for the expansion, but people complained that it was too big...


Not those of us that preordered the first time and ended up with two copies of the game; incidentally which also allows for easy proto mock up of the expansion


That is indeed how I mocked mine up
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