Video: Short Elemental Clash Tutorial

Seth Jaffee

(sedjtroll)

United States
Tucson
Arizona

A quick question about the Element Stones...

Unless I'm mistaken, some of the non-basic Element Stones have an ability on them. Do those abilities only count when that card is "on top" of an Element Stone Stack (such that the ability is visible)?

Side comment - if the answer is "no, tat ability applies even if the Element Stone is buried in the stack," then is it acceptable to tuck new Element Stones added to a stack behind the original one, so the visible card is the one which indicates the color that the stack produces? I seems like it would be easy to mistake what colors you have in play, or what your opponent has available to them.

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 8:52 am
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Andreas Propst

(jilocasin)

Austria
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Hello Seth!

Thank you for your question!

Yes, there are indeed some Element Stones with special abilities. And no, the abilities of special Element Stones also count when they are not visible / on top of an Element Stone Stack.

Also, the bottommost "colored" Element Stone determines the type of Energy the whole stack produces. The bottommost Stone being the one you played first - the one that touches the table...

You are not allowed to tuck new Element Stones behind ones you played previously. New Element Stones always go on top of the old ones...

I hope that answers you questions...

If not, tell me and I shall try to explain it better

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 11:51 am
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Seth Jaffee

(sedjtroll)

United States
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Arizona

jilocasin wrote:

Yes, there are indeed some Element Stones with special abilities. And no, the abilities of special Element Stones also count when they are not visible / on top of an Element Stone Stack.

THIS does answer one of my questions.

jilocasin wrote:

Also, the bottommost "colored" Element Stone determines the type of Energy the whole stack produces. The bottommost Stone being the one you played first - the one that touches the table...

You are not allowed to tuck new Element Stones behind ones you played previously. New Element Stones always go on top of the old ones...

I understand that - but it does not answer the rest of my question...

Because it may be easy to mistake what color the bottommost card is, my question is basically this:

Had you at any time considered the opposite rule - that the TOPMOST card determine the color of the stack, AND, new cards added to the stack are tucked BEHIND existing cards?

Same net effect, but the visible card would always be the important one, while cards tucked behind are irrelevant except for number of total cards in the stack.

Note: this would not be a NECESSARY thing, but I'm a little surprised it hadn't come up as a usability issue.

Edited Thu Oct 6, 2011 12:24 pm
Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 12:21 pm
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Andreas Propst

(jilocasin)

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I did consider that, but adding an Element Stone card on top of the ones that are already on the table seemed more convenient to me than having to lift all the old Element Stones and put the new one under that...

I think both ways, the one suggested by you, and the one actually implemented in the game have their advantages.

Actually nobody has complained about the way the resource system works so far (not that I see your suggestion as a complaint Seth, it is appreciated...).

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 12:59 pm
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Michael

(mylittlepwny)

United States

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sedjtroll wrote:

jilocasin wrote:

Yes, there are indeed some Element Stones with special abilities. And no, the abilities of special Element Stones also count when they are not visible / on top of an Element Stone Stack.

THIS does answer one of my questions.

jilocasin wrote:

Also, the bottommost "colored" Element Stone determines the type of Energy the whole stack produces. The bottommost Stone being the one you played first - the one that touches the table...

You are not allowed to tuck new Element Stones behind ones you played previously. New Element Stones always go on top of the old ones...

I understand that - but it does not answer the rest of my question...

Because it may be easy to mistake what color the bottommost card is, my question is basically this:

Had you at any time considered the opposite rule - that the TOPMOST card determine the color of the stack, AND, new cards added to the stack are tucked BEHIND existing cards?

Same net effect, but the visible card would always be the important one, while cards tucked behind are irrelevant except for number of total cards in the stack.

Note: this would not be a NECESSARY thing, but I'm a little surprised it hadn't come up as a usability issue.

The type of stone is listed at the top, so it is always easy to see. As a player, it has never been an issue for me or any of my opponents - even those just learning. Since it is primarily a 1v1 scenario, and players usually don't go more then 2 colors/deck, forgetting the stone type is pretty rare, even if you aren't reading it from the top.

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 5:35 pm
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Andreas Propst

(jilocasin)

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Thanks for you comment Michael. I agree with everything you say. The way the Element Stones are placed right know is intuitive to learn and easy to remember. Thank you!

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 6:58 pm
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Seth Jaffee

(sedjtroll)

United States
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Indeed, I'm not saying it doesn't work the current way. I do recall some confusion (perhaps more like trouble understanding the rule) when learning the game. We weren't sure at first whether the stack was supposed to stay the same color (it does), or might change color if you put another card down - as that one is visible and you can read its text ("Provides Earth...").

Also with the stack of cards splayed like it is, there are 2 possible interpretations of "bottommost" (the one buried by other cards, or the one closest to the bottom of the play area)

I get it now of course.

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 8:32 pm
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Andreas Propst

(jilocasin)

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Good!

Posted Thu Oct 6, 2011 8:34 pm
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