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Recently, I decided that I wanted to paint a bunch of plastic minis. The problem with this is that I am not a mini painter. I understand some of the techniques that skilled painters use, but I am not a skilled painter myself. I am also currently unemployed, and can't justify spending big bucks on a million tiny jars of specialty paint.

I debated this with myself pretty extensively before coming to my decision, because I didn't want to ruin my games. "Trash, you don’t know what you’re doing", I told myself. "You’ll destroy the collectable/resale/trade value!" "They’re gonna look like crap!" On the other hand, my nine-year-old son is starting to really get into gaming, and he likes painted minis.

I finally decided that: a) not knowing what I’m doing has never slowed me down before; b) although I do enjoy collecting games, I am not a Game Collector, I’m a game player; and c) we would get more enjoyment from playing a badly painted copy of Hero Quest or Dragon Strike than we would from playing one with raw plastic minis, even if the paint job did look like crap. Therefore, those games would get more table time than they would otherwise. So I threw caution to the wind, gathered up my meager supplies, and started slapping paint onto plastic.

This is the part where all the experienced painters out there should stop reading, or risk a Sanity Check. You Have Been Warned.

To get started, instead of buying "real" plastic primer for miniatures, I basecoated all the figures with flat black Krylon Fusion, because I had some already. That’s right, regular old Fusion from the Walmart. $3.75 for a big can, except that mine was left over from another project, so: Free. Noooooooo!!!!! Sacrilege!!!*

Next, instead of taking out a home equity loan and buying real miniatures paints in the itty bitty jars from my FLGS, I used regular cheap acrylic craft paints from Hobby Lobby, because I already had some. You know, the kind that come in 2 oz plastic bottles for $0.99? Those ones. AHHHHH!!!! THE HORROR!!!!*

Finally, when I was done, I gave everything a good hosing down with some store brand, not-for-plastic flat spray polyurethane, because I already had some. Make it stop... make it stop...*

And you know what? They look fine. Not professional by any stretch of the imagination, not even close, but fine. Sure, they’re a little bit blotchy in places, and the metallics aren’t as bright as they should be, and the detailing is a little haphazard, and the color palette is sort of limited. But even taking all of that into account, they’re still way, way better than the raw plastic, if I do say so myself.

Last night my son and I played his first Dragon Strike scenario, and the first thing he said as I opened the box to set up the board was "Dad, these figures look AWESOME!" I can think of no higher praise.







*Reactions of hypothetical experienced miniatures painters have been simulated, and may not represent any actual reaction by any actual person. But I bet they do.


EDIT: Added a couple of pictures.
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I should have anticipated that. I really didn't want this to be about my level of success or failure at painting the minis, but rather about the idea that it's OK to paint minis badly if it improves your experience with the game. That said, I should have included a pic or two, so now I have.
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Those look pretty good Trash. I've struggled with painting myself. I have thousands of miniatures (I play WHFB among other mini games) and most of them are unpainted because of the constant concern of them looking "good enough". But this year I said to heck with it and I'm going to start painting my stuff regardless of how it turns out for much the same reasons you are. Painted figs just look better.

Personally I don't see any problem with using Americana or Apple Barrel or any of the other cheap acrylics. I certainly question my own sanity every time I plop down $3-$5 for a tiny pot of GW, PP or reaper paints. Yes they are better quality but enough to justify the cost difference? Will the miniatures look any better? I doubt it. As far as priming goes, most of the people in my Warhammer group use Krylon. I used to use the $1 car primer to prime my miniatures. Worked great but then Walmart stopped carrying it. cry The nice thing about Krylon is that if you are looking for a priming coat other than black you've got choices. Finding a good base color that matches your proposed scheme can go miles towards making painting easier.


Also, washes can be your best friend. Once you've done the base colors, hit the model with a wash and you'd be amazed at how much better it will look on the table simply because it breaks up the "clean" look of the paint areas. While you can buy dedicated washes or inks I've mostly just used the exact kind of paints you use, heavily watered down.

I think you've made the right choice and so far your work looks really good.
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Thanks for the tips and the support, Larry. I really appreciate it.
I actually did experiment a bit with washes on most of the figures, but I think I was a bit too timid for them to work as well as they could have. The skeletons & mummies worked out fairly well, but for the rest of them I probably could have gotten better results with a heavier application. I'll chalk that one up as a learning experience and try slopping a little more on next time.
 
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There's a difference, I think, between badly painted miniatures and simply painted miniatures, even if many pro painters disagree. It took me years to work my way from a bad painter to a simple painter, and I have a pile of garish orange Tyranid Warriors with blobs of yellow oozing out of their eye sockets to prove it. Sadly, once I got to being a simple painter, my *talent* seemed to plateau. I was never able to work with anything fancier than drybrushing.

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The minis you have shown look good and clean, particularly in the bottom picture.
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Nice job, Trash!

I was of the same hesitant mind as you, and recently came to the same conclusion. Just finished the Confederate Army in my copy of Battle Cry 150 Thursday night.

Like Larry, I recommend a wash. I used the Minwax "Dip" but ended up brushing it on, heavily diluted with mineral spirits. The Minwax and Mineral Spirits together were under $10. Without the dip/wash, I'd give my paint job a 5, after a 7. It really makes an average paint job look much better.
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These look awesome. I'm currently using the same "technique" on a whole bunch of minis! Fun trumps work every time.
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""Dad, these figures look AWESOME!" I can think of no higher praise."

Nor can I.

Bravo and well done. So many people are daunted by the scope of work involved or maybe by some of the well painted minis displayed online. It's not necessary to compete with these, you only need to make them better than they were unpainted. You did this in spades.
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Wow, thanks everyone! You guys rock. You're making me want to go paint some more stuff now....
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Good job Trash! I love painting minis (that was one of the reasons I got into Warmachine). There's nothing wrong with using the paints at hand. All that matters is that you and your son like the end result. I would echo the above post about washes. Your mummy and skeleton look great by the way.

You can also go on the cheap and use the dip method, which involves a can of tinted matte wood finish (I think most people like a medium to dark brown tint). Dip the minis in, shake them off and let them dry. The pigment goes into the the crevices and cracks and you've got a nice tough finish to boot.

I personally use Testors Dullcote for a nice matte finish. A can is pretty cheap and will last a long long time. You also might be able to find an acrylic matte finish where you get the craft paints. When I want a nice tough shiny clear coat on something, nothing beats plain old Future floor polish (I think now it's called Pledge with Future).

Keep up the good work. The end result is definitely worth it.

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To me, they look like some of the earlier pre-painted miniatures you could get- i.e. perfectly adequate for gaming (they're to be played with, not displayed).
As you say, they look a lot better than raw plastic & your son thinks they're awesome. What more do you need?
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i have been a minis gamer for 20 years , as a FORMER fan of games wrkshop , and having seen all the minis web sites like coolmini or not and such i have become kinda jaded , and i have a very differnt scale than most .

yours i would put at a 5 on my 10 point scale .

5 means table top quality , and is fairly average regular painting quality .

6 means you did a real good job , probably a 8 on most other people scales .

7 is a 10 on most other peoples scales

8 9 and 10 mean you nailed it , not only a wonderful paint job , but also in the spirit of the game it self that the piece belongs to . .

i have seen some people just go all out and paint up some retarded things like a WH40K tank with a mural on it that looks like it belongs in a personal art collection , and while they may have done a fantastic job on it , its not in the spirit of the game , or in any way appropriate on a tabel top battle field , so i deduct for stuff like that ..........HEAVILY deduct , like rating it a 3 or 4 because its not even a game piece any more , and belongs on a shelf some place .



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oh and as a vetran of minis painting , i dont even use the expensive krylon platicoat , i use regular $1 color creations black , white , or grey , also from walmart . and i only own maybe 5 or 6 minis paints , all my other paints are the craft paints from hobby lobby . for me , its not a question of cost , but rather i like the way they come out beter than the pricy minis paints
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I just hope that maybe all the great support I've gotten for my little project will help motivate other folks to paint their minis, or design a game, or whatever else they may be putting off because they're afraid that it won't be good enough. That would be cool.
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Good job here, keep at it. Simple clean paint jobs win the day every time. Hobby acrylics are just fine, brush on matte sealers are an alternative to spray sealers. Looks like you're having fun, so keep at it.
 
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I was going to learn to dip my minis, but I heard from the thrift guild that it is more effective to smother them in gravy. Is this true?
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I was going to learn to dip my minis, but I heard from the thrift guild that it is more effective to smother them in gravy. Is this true?

Gravy is no joking matter, son.
 
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Gravy is no joking matter, son.

Heh, gravy...

By odd coincidence I just stumbled upon a Raymond Carver poem "Gravy" a couple hours ago.
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No other word will do. For that's what it was. Gravy.
Gravy, these past ten years.
Alive, sober, working, loving, and
being loved by a good woman. Eleven years
ago he was told he had six months to live
at the rate he was going. And he was going
nowhere but down. So he changed his ways
somehow. He quit drinking! And the rest?
After that it was all gravy, every minute
of it, up to and including when he was told about,
well, some things that were breaking down and
building up inside his head. "Don't weep for me,"
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I've had ten years longer than I or anyone
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No other word will do. For that's what it was. Gravy.
Gravy, these past ten years.
Alive, sober, working, loving, and
being loved by a good woman. Eleven years
ago he was told he had six months to live
at the rate he was going. And he was going
nowhere but down. So he changed his ways
somehow. He quit drinking! And the rest?
After that it was all gravy, every minute
of it, up to and including when he was told about,
well, some things that were breaking down and
building up inside his head. "Don't weep for me,"
he said to his friends. "I'm a lucky man.
I've had ten years longer than I or anyone
expected. Pure Gravy. And don't forget it."

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That's a lovely piece. Too bad it's enemy propaganda....
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hezkezl wrote:
I was going to learn to dip my minis, but I heard from the thrift guild that it is more effective to smother them in gravy. Is this true?


I've seen pictures of dipped minis that came out looking really good. I personally did not like the results when I tried it and went back to a paint wash.
 
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....many people are daunted by the scope of work involved or maybe by some of the well painted minis displayed online...


I think you've really nailed it here. I'd very much like to paint up my Battlelore set, but between having twice as many minis as BattleCry, plus having most of the expansions, it'll take forever (at least it feels that way).

Also, as a beginning painter, looking at some of the gorgeous paint jobs here made me feel a little hopeless too.

My advice to the hesitant is just dive in... You'll probably be happier with the end result than you'd think. And don't obsess over the more brilliant paint jobs to be found here.
 
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Muzza wrote:
....many people are daunted by the scope of work involved or maybe by some of the well painted minis displayed online...


...

And don't obsess over the more brilliant paint jobs to be found here.

Agree 100%. It's not a competition. Nobody's first efforts are going to be flawless. To all those worried about whether they'll be able to produce perfect, detailed work like the pros do: You wont, at least not at first. Now that we've got that out of the way, go paint some damn minis.
 
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Heh, this amusingly paradoxical reluctance to paint until you can paint well reminds me of fear of gaming itself that some people have - i.e. that some people get intimidated by some classic serious game like chess or go and are afraid to play against other people until they are "good enough" by practicing vs AI players, reading books, solving problems etc - anything but actually playing games with other people - when of course in reality it's also important to "just do it" to get better at any activity.
 
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Good stuff, Trash! Stumbled across your thread as I was prepping a Dragon Strike game for this week's gaming session. The pieces in my secondhand game seem to have been painted, that is an attempt to paint them was made, by perhaps an inexperienced painter but just making the effort counts a lot in my book. Your own figs look really good and great compared to unpainted. Your son has the right idea, IMO.
 
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Thanks! We played a game of Dragon Strike just a few days ago here at Chateau Trash. Good to know that the classics aren't being neglected.
 
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Hi,

Its allways nice to play a game with painted miniatures. However I found that you will need a strong finishing coat because, when using them in a boardgame, you will hand them a lot and that will make the paint dirty and flakky. So my advise would be to apply a lot of coating (although that might make the miniatures a bit shiny ).

Being an old-school painter myself (started paining miniatures with enamel model-paint en glass-in-lead inkts) I never was much in favour of dipping technique. Recently however I have seen some very nice results with the dipping shades from army painter (this video http://www.thearmypainter.com/videogallery.php?videoid=2 gives a nice exmaple) and I'm going to experiment with dipping myself. As I understand it its not nessecary to use the Army Painter dips but can find a good and cheap alternative in hobby stores (Minwax Polyshades is used, I believe). A bit of research might be in order
 
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Dude. Those look great!

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Those minis definately look better than most painted minis I've seen for sale on eBay for these games.
 
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