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As the primary game supplier (why when I wrote that was the term "primary care giver" floating through my head??) for about 90% of the gaming that I do, I tend to have a large collection of games. Obviously, this is a nice problem to have as it gives me a large degree of variety at my fingertips. But I always face one problem: bringing something to the table that people will like.

Browsing this site on any given day, you can see posts from any number of people discussing their problems with gaming. Or, to be more precise, the problem centers around finding people to play these games with. This is a problem that many of us will face over the course of our gaming lives to one degree or another. So how do you make it all come together? How do you go from having a bunch of unplayed (and unplayable) games to a collection that gets some use?

Well, I don't know. But I can tell you what I have done and maybe some of it will make sense...

If I was to look at my gaming partners, I find that I have quite a few small groups that game with frequency ranging from once a week to once every two or three months. I guess I'm a little bit lucky there, because I shudder when I read of geeks that can find NO ONE to play games with. That, to me, would be torture. So while I find that I am blessed with a variety of people to play games with, I am doubly blessed in that their interests are not all the same. Let's talk a little about the people I tend to play with.

Aaron

First off I have one of my oldest friends and gaming partners, Aaron.

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While I'm sure we played Clue or something else when growing up together, the first gaming experience I feel that we truly shared was BattleTech. My brother had taught me how to play and had left me a few things to get us started. I taught Aaron how to play and away we went! After he graduated from college, Aaron moved out west and we didn't get to see each other that often. But, as fate would have it, he is now a right-coaster again and we've been able to get together a lot more frequently over the last two years.

This is someone I can play just about anything with. When he comes up for my game nights he crashes here so that when everyone else leaves he and I can break out something we've always wanted to try and give it a shot. He is the type of gamer that Fantasy Flight Games just loves, as he enjoys games with a lot of bits.

The Northern Gamers

Next up, we have what I will refer to as the "Northern Gamers". This is a small group that is hosted by a couple about 45 minutes north of here. There are typically anywhere from six to fifteen people that will show up at their game nights. I would make it up there more often, but that drive can be a killer, especially in the winter.

This group is an interesting mix. For a long time a portion of them got stuck in the rut (and I'm not knocking these games, I'm just saying that they got played EVERY time) of playing The Settlers of Catan and Dominion...and playing just those games. It was tough to get them to move out of their comfort zones.

The saving grace for me up there was the host, Josh.

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He lives up north with his wife and child and they are able to get behind some meatier games. They would always tackle a new game and Josh loves to get into a deeper thinkfest of a game than most of the people we play with.

The Family Gamers

Then we have a small group which is the "Family Gamers". This consists of a couple of sisters and their significant others...and me. Pretty small group, but we have some fun when we get together. We started gaming together when I was seeing one of the sisters and even though that relationship ended, our gaming together did not.

This group likes it a lot lighter, with very little forced confrontation. Games like Carcassonne, Ticket to Ride and even the dreaded Fluxx are typically what gets played here. Good company, and some nice light gaming.

The Weekly Group

Finally, there is the weekly game night which I attend at another very close friend's house. We try to get together at least once a week and it's anywhere from four to six people in size.

We play a lot of different games. Sometimes it will be a night of lighter fare: Fast Flowing Forest Fellers, Survive: Escape from Atlantis!, or something from the Gryphon Games bookshelf series. Some nights, we kick it up a notch and break out Power Grid and tonight they are going to learn Railways of the World...they just don't know it yet.

Now that, apart from the game night that I will host once every two or three months at my place, is pretty much a complete list of my gaming partners. All of this adds up to the fact that there's quite a few people here, at least involved or on the periphery. As a result, I need to make my collection as effective as possible to avoid games that just become paperweights.

So how do I do that? There are a few things that I try to do, each with several aspects:

Know your gaming partners:

• Don't Overwhelm: If your gaming partners regularly get vexed by the wealth of decisions in Ticket to Ride, you may not want to break out Agricola. Now this isn't to say that you can't try to teach something new, but if it goes badly, throw it back on the shelf. But try to make smart decisions with what to bring.

• Listen to Their Comments: People will tell you what they like, if you give them a chance. If there's a game that gets more requests than others, you may have a good starting point for opening up more choices. If they like Coloretto, maybe it is time to try Zooloretto.

• Avoid the Problems: I have more than one group within which direct confrontation is a problem in games. From a few nasty looks and snide remarks to the time that someone almost burst into tears while playing Carcassonne: The Tower, it is good to recognize potential ignition points and avoid them.

Make smart purchases:

• Avoid the Paperweight Games: Look, I would love to buy Descent: Journeys in the Dark and sink hours into the game. I've played Runebound (second edition) and loved it. They seem to be my cup of tea. But there is no one for me to play these games with. Aaron would, but he lives four hours away. Josh might, but he's typically with others who won't. Don't buy it if there's not a chance it will get played. So, conversely...

• Buy What Will Get Played: If you've got one primary gaming group, and they LOVE lighter weight euros, well, you should plan on those getting the most table time. Do some research on here. There's a metric ton of reviews and write ups that will help you find something that will fit for everyone in your group.

• Consider Expandability & Alternatives: Sometimes you will get lucky and have a hit with something like Power Grid or Ticket to Ride. The luck here is that you have a good amount of options with some slightly different gameplay. There's a few different games in the Ticket to Ride family and Power Grid offers up a large number of maps. After some research and conversations with Nate Straight, I recently ordered Decktet. This is a whole game system which will lead to a large number of playable games with a variety of the people I play with.

Trim the fat:

• Learn to Say Goodbye: This is the hard part. Look, I really, really, really wish I could have found someone to play War of the Ring with me. But no one would. And no matter how long I hang onto it, no one will. So I had to let it go. You really need to sit down in front of your shelves and make the hard cuts. If it isn't going to get played EVER, let it go. It will find a good home with someone who will give it the attention you never could.

• Trade Away: Utilize the trade tool on here. That game collecting dust on your shelf can be traded for something your group will love. You may think that no one wants your copy of Fantasy Forest, but someone does! And, actually, that someone is me. So if you DO have a copy to unload, well, GM me.

• Sell It Off: Just like trades, there's a variety of ways to sell your games on here as well. Either make a geeklist with all the games you're looking to unload, or search for specific games and the users that want them. This is how I unloaded my beloved copy of War of the Ring. I found someone local who wanted it, sent him a GM, and we made it work.

Create a new group:

• Mix It Up: This is a concept that I'm toying with right now, but it makes a lot of sense to me. My friend Don and I noticed that our weekly game night had a few games that the guys would love and the ladies would hate. And, well, we really liked these games! So we decided that we were going to do a Guy's Night Gaming Night every few weeks or so. This would be a group that could break out Small World and Cosmic Encounter (two games we loved but they hated) without blinking. So far it has been a great success! This is helping to make some of those games that would normally sit around see some table time.

So there you have it. These are the things that I have done to make my collection a little less like a decoration and a lot more like games. Don't be afraid to try something new, but don't go and buy Advanced Squad Leader if you know it won't get played. Talk to your group. Make a new group. Trim the fat. Do what works for you. Get out there and play!

Your turn: What challenges do you face with your gaming group vis-a-vis your games? Do you have those games you just can't bear to part with even though they just sit there?
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Great post!

My biggest challenge is that most of the people I game with on a weekly basis have collections of over 100 + games each. We have such a wide variety of collections that when I bring games to game nights they might not even get touched because other people have brought other games that people are more interested in playing. I guess my problem is that there just isn't enough time in the day to get everything I want to the table so I have to wait and bide my time.

I am a collector. My collection has been growing exponentially in the past 3 years. I think I have reached my critical limit. I don't see much "fat" to trim in my collection but I do have games that I have bought that have not hit the table at all. These games tend to be the bigger juggernauts such as Civilization or Blackbeard, games that take longer to play. I have no qualms about owning them because I know that someday I will get them to the table.
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Another way to get a particular game to the table is to prearrange that game by personal contact with other gamers planning to be at a public gaming event. If you know the game group meets next Saturday, start emailing some players you think might be interested, and plan on starting a game of FILLINTHEBLANK at 11am or whenever. That way you'll get interest started early, and can also promote the concept of everyone reading the rules to the game before the event (for games that have rules posted publicly, as in HERE.) For an open gaming event, prearranged gaming ends all the waiting and guessing and hoping that other players might be interested in the game you want to try.

Everyone has a different gaming community. In my area we have a weekly gaming night at a public business, and also a number of monthly, all day, opportunities. There are 40 or so regular gamers who show up at one or several monthly outings. There are also a number of home owners who might invite a group over to their house on a weekend to play some games. Many have large/huge/enormous collections of games, some like to try new games, others tend to want to play the same games over and over and over, still others want to be the only one to introduce new games to the group, and utterly refuse to play a new game unless they initiate it..... So, we run into the same elbow problem you allude to above. I usually bring 20 or so games to a full day event, and am lucky to get one or two new games on the table.

I have a list of unplayed games in my collection, and a hierarchy of ones I want to play the most. I keep bringing the games highest on the list until I get them played. It's a slow process.
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Wait a second...if you found someone local who wanted War of the Ring, why did you two never get together to play?
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larryjrice wrote:
Wait a second...if you found someone local who wanted War of the Ring, why did you two never get together to play?


Good question!

"Local" here means "in Vermont". He's still over two hours away from me...it was just more convenient to meet up and exchange the game than it was to ship it.
 
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First of all I had to laugh when you said a 45 minute drive north was a "killer". Dang, in Houston you can drive 2 hours in one direction and still be in the city limits.

My primary gaming group is 4 hours away in Ft Worth. They meet weekly, but I can only get together with them every couple of months. My best friend comes down from Ft Worth and we game here once in awhile. I have a large library of games. We enjoy all kinds of games. I regularly have new games that I haven't played yet and I'm anxious to get to the table. My friend and his group have their favorites that they like to play. I must say though that we have always managed to compromise and play a mix of new games and old/current favorites. What has helped me is finding a local game meetup that meets once a month that I have attended the last two months and plan to attend more often. I have had opportunity to play new games that I don't own even. One other thing that helps is local game cons. In the last year I have learned of many local cons that I can attend to increase my gaming opportunities.

My library of games has really undergone a transformation in the last year through the use of the Geek trade system and participation in MT's. I had an aged, AH dominant war game collection. I now have a much more contemporary collection of games, ranging from card games to light and heavy Euro's, to Ameri-trash to light and hardcore wargames. I didn't get rid of all my old games. I did though make some decisions to let go games that I knew would never see a table.
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gohrns wrote:
First of all I had to laugh when you said a 45 minute drive north was a "killer". Dang, in Houston you can drive 2 hours in one direction and still be in the city limits.


Well, everything's bigger in Texas!! I know it's not a bad drive, but it's all in perspective. I can't fathom a state where I could drive for 10 hours and still be in the same state (I'm looking at you, California!).

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My library of games has really undergone a transformation in the last year through the use of the Geek trade system and participation in MT's. I had an aged, AH dominant war game collection. I now have a much more contemporary collection of games, ranging from card games to light and heavy Euro's, to Ameri-trash to light and hardcore wargames. I didn't get rid of all my old games. I did though make some decisions to let go games that I knew would never see a table.


And that's exactly what I'm talking about. It's good to work through some fresh blood now and then. I really need to look into the MT's and get involved in one.
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Dan,

I whole heartedly recommend MT's. They are fun and the anticipation is the closest thing to reliving your childhood Christmas mornings as an adult that you will find. There is a lot of information on the Geek to learn how to do them. The community of course is very helpful to noobs. Recommend starting small so you don't accidently make a bad trade. I now regularly list 20+ games in the math trades. I have made as many as 11 trades in one MT and as few as 1. Never been shutout yet.

BTW happy spring training! Look forward to opening day as always. I Usually take the day off work and plop in front of the tv and watch all the games. My Astros though are really struggling these days.
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Thanks for the push, Tom...I really just need to sit down and digest the ins and outs of the system. I have a game or ten I'd like to get rid of, so maybe I'll list one at first and see how that goes!

And happy spring traning to you as well! It's funny that you should mention the day off thing - I just barely put in for it as well. Every year I take it off...it's like a holiday for me!
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I always subscribed to the 'trim the fat' rule of game collection. I try to keep it at a manageable 400.

The problem I discovered is that as I 'trimmed', I was selectively keeping games that I personally love to play and ditching the mere 'likes'. It turns out that my collection no longer has any good light-weight social gateway games in it. Apparently, I only enjoy 2+ hour brain-burners.

I've still got Settlers and Carcassonne, but other than that the shelves are filled with hard train games, Splotter Spielen chit-fests or convoluted cubes-for-victory-points efficiency games.

I sure hope no casual gamers come for a visit.
 
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Awsome read Thanks!
 
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I’m sorry the OP kind of depressed me. I must be turning into a grouchy old man because all I could think of is “wow the laziness”.

- Why collect good games …..when you can play short games and hope they are good?

- Why drive to gamers who might actually want to play what I like….. when I can just post on BGG that all anyone will play is light Euro’s?

- Why search the countless forums and game sites on the web, or visit local game cons and shops to find new gamers when I can unload my collection I’ve labored to build because my half dozen friends only play ‘same’ light Euros?

- Why identify and pre-schedule a game I like with anyone, obviously it’s easier to bring 20 and hope I get 1 of them in?

Crazy!
It seems to me that fans of light Euro’s are getting plenty of their games in. It’s time to take a stand! Again maybe I’m being a curmudgeon but it seems hard to call yourself a collector if you’re willing to dump games so easily especially ones that have more to them. And the War of the Ring thing was crazy. Go find somebody to play War of the Ring! Congratulations, your toying with the idea of a guy’s night game night, a new group for potential new gamers. I hope none of them want to play War of the Ring. You sold yours.

Long story short folks where there is a will, there is a way. Since the light Euro fans are the leftist of the gaming community (they always want, and often get their way) I will provide a short and to the point bullet list of some ways to get the meatier games played.

1. Do not settle for a group or a player that won’t play bigger games.

2. Utilize PBI (play by internet), Vassal, or other online methods of game play

3. Take initiative and pre-schedule an in-depth game of your choosing days in advance. Have all the hard work of rule clarification, set-up, and meal arrangement done by game day and the experience will be better. If you have no takers, don’t set it up.

4. Solo a game. Soloing a monster game sounds odd, but it can be a great game experience

5. Sheet metal and magnets go a LONG WAY in bringing monster hex and counter games to life. Few people will play a very long game nonstop. This leads to the next point…

6. Find multiple creative ways to leave a game set up and return to it. Find the space, find the people willing, use metal and magnets, dedicate a game room, tell the wife it’s happening don’t ask the wife if you can, etc…

7. Do as you are doing and create your own game group and express at the onset that larger games will be part of the experience.

8. Create an annual mini-con at your house (I’m hosting mine in 2 hours). You’ll get all kinds of games in that way I promise.
These are some ideas. Of course the quick games will be played and they are crowd pleasers. But if you really want to play something substantial there really isn’t an excuse not to if you live within driving distance of an urban area.
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