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Mar 20, 2011
EOP S16 Errata.pdf (168 KB) (Log in or Register to download.)
Errata to: A complete tutorial example of play (EOP) to complete the demonstration of the practice of the Ordnance rules and continued practice of the Infantry and SW rules of ASLSK2, using scenario S16 (Legio Patria Nostra). Serves as a complement to the excellent Rules tutorials already available. (This is the Errata file)
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Feb 27, 2011
ASLSK S16 EOP v2.pdf (688 KB) (Log in or Register to download.)
A complete tutorial example of play (EOP) to complete the demonstration of the practice of the Ordnance rules and continued practice of the Infantry and SW rules of ASLSK2, using scenario S16 (Legio Patria Nostra). Serves as a complement to the excellent Rules tutorials already available. Version 2.(450 downloads of prior version)(This is the EOP File)
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As usual had a blast with the tutorial – and here are some comments. In these – some I am not sure of the rules so they are more like questions for you to look at rather than definitive changes
FT1 – Prep Fire – U7 versus R5 – Should this by 16FP instead of 12
GT1 – Prep Fire L5 versus T5 – Should it be 6 FP versus 8
GT2 – Defensive Fire Phase – O9 versus gun/crew at H5 – the modifier the tutorial has is -2 – should it be at 0 because of the gun shield?
FT2 – Rally Phase – shouldn’t the German crew be able to rally?
FT2 – Movement Phase – First fire – unit moves from R8 to S8 fired on… The modifier in the tutorial is +2, I had +3 for the stone building, -1 for FFNAM, and -1 for leader for a +1…
GT2 Defensive fire phase – O9 fires at N7 – the tutorial has 6FP, the machine gun is 5FP fired by a HS…
FT3 – Movement phase – French moving via road going from U8 to T7 – does road movement between hexes have to cross a hexside with a road or can it just be that both have roads in them even if they do not connect the hexes.
FT3 – AFPhase – P5 versus O6 the French 4-5-8 don’t cower after rolling doubles.
GT3 – Movement phase – P4 defensive fire on M3 – cowers – shouldn’t a FF instead of a 1F be placed on the firing unit?
GT3 – Advance Fire Phase – L4 versus P4 – I think one is a 4-4-7 and the other is a 4-6-7
FT4 – Rally Phase – German – crew rally?
FT4 – Movement Phase M4 1F on P4 – the result in the tutorial is a NMC – but the check on the leader and squad seems to be a 1MC
GT4 – Movement Phase – O6 1F on M4 – doubles – cowering?
GT6 – Movement Phase – O5 1F on L6 – doubles – cowering?
Thanks again for doing this!
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  • Posted Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:16 pm
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Thanks for the input "dwin" whoever you are, and wherever you are ninja! I have put your input together with that of Miikka and will have to sort through it all as I update the EOP. It has taken a good year before getting any significant critique on the SK2 EOPs -- and I have needed it.
 
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  • Posted Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:32 am
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So when do you think you'll get to ASLSK #3...
 
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  • Posted Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:05 am
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dwin wrote:
So when do you think you'll get to ASLSK #3...
I'll probably start it in August (I guess it may come out in the fall. Ugh! Now I'm sounding like an unnamed game publisher.yuk )
 
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  • Posted Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:05 am
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Hi Eddy!

Just started with EOP No.4 and need some clearance, cause I didn't get the thing:

GT1 DFPh:
The german MG captured by the French guy is firing twice and kept ROF. Meanwhile the mortar in Y8 is firing. After that, the MG in O9 is firing again?

Don't you have to finish the attack of one unit at first before going on with another unit?

Just a bit confused.
Thanks!
 
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  • Posted Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:41 pm
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When a MG retains ROF, it is as if it had not fired yet. What must be completed is the Defensive Fire for a particular moving unit from a particular enemy(ies), prior to the moving unit moving on to a new hex. My use is infered, in that ROF weapons may fire again and if you can't fire again on the first enemy that you already fired upon (due to MF expenditure limitations), then what are you going to fire on with your "unfired" ROF-maintaining MG? The answer is another enemy.
 
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  • Posted Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:02 pm
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Thanks again!

Just found another typo:

FT5 PFh
K5(8-1,458) -> N7

should be
Q8(8-1,458) -> N7
 
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  • Posted Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:58 pm
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Train1811 wrote:
Thanks again!

Just found another typo:

FT5 PFh
K5(8-1,458) -> N7

should be
Q8(8-1,458) -> N7


Thanks! Added to my list of corrections for the next version. Keep them coming.
 
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No problemo !

When can we expect the next EOP with tanks? So then I have some forerun to read SK3's Rulebook
 
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Train1811 wrote:
No problemo !

When can we expect the next EOP with tanks? So then I have some forerun to read SK3's Rulebook

Sorry, but I haven't even started it. Be sure to read Jay's tutorial on vehicles.
 
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Gday Eddy

Pg4 2nd col Para3 - can a gun Intensive fire after Final fire in the DFPh? The only reference i could find in SK2 rules was on pg11 3.4, and it only states that a gun can fire at an adjacent target using Intensive fire and only then if it has a first fire marker.

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AnzacWookie wrote:
Gday Eddy

Pg4 2nd col Para3 - can a gun Intensive fire after Final fire in the DFPh? The only reference i could find in SK2 rules was on pg11 3.4, and it only states that a gun can fire at an adjacent target using Intensive fire and only then if it has a first fire marker.

Cheers

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Yes it can, but the example in the tEOP is incorrect and will be changed. If a gun fires defensively during the the enemy's MPh and loses ROF, it is then marked with a D1F marker. It may then chose to fire again (like Infantry SFF) one more time and is marked with FF (by the rules but superfluous) and IF counter (important!).

Moving to the DFPh: If a gun fires for the first time in this phase and loses ROF, it is marked with FF. It may then fire again with IF, but only at adjacent or same (added in SKEP1) hex. If on the other hand it had already lost ROF during the MPh and had a D1F marker on it, it could also fire with IF during the DFPh, but again only at same/adjacent target. A unit that had fired during the MPh and lost ROF (D1F) and had fired again with IF (has an IF counter) could not fire again at all during the DFPh, and the presence of a FF counter on them means nothing in light of the presence of the IF counter. Thanks for catching that error.
 
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  • Posted Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:35 pm
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Thanks Eddy - the rules certainly dont spell it out very clearly; the 'gun firing for 1st time in DFPh' exception should be written like your explanation above !

So onto Pg6 1st col 2nd last para - does a similar exception exist for MGs? It doesnt matter to the result in your EOP, but can an MG keep ROF in the DFPh despite its base MMC being marked with FF?

Cheers

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Mike,

If a squad with MG is unmarked in the DFPh and fires but the MG retains ROF then the squad is marked with a FF marker and the MG can continue firing until it loses ROF,

A defending squad can't end the MPh marked with FF and it's MG unmarked. Why? because when a squad SFF the squad and all its SW (whether they fired or not) are marked with FF.

Doing some rules revision for this afternoon?
 
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lol i dont think any amount of revision is going to help me against the pain youre about to inflict on my poor German warriors this arvo

Im just confused by the following reference out of SKEP1 rulebook..

1.2.4.1 Rate of Fire (ROF) : "...may fire again in that phase (except the AFPh) until the ROF is exceeded by the colored die roll or the weapon or its manning infantry is marked with a Final Fire counter.."

So if the first shot in the DFPh with a MMG/467 is 1,4 , the 467 gets a FF counter and the MMG theoretically retains ROF? but by the above quote the manning inf is FF'd? hence my confusion.

Time to stop reading ASL rules..my head hurts...
 
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AnzacWookie wrote:
Thanks Eddy - the rules certainly dont spell it out very clearly; the 'gun firing for 1st time in DFPh' exception should be written like your explanation above !

So onto Pg6 1st col 2nd last para - does a similar exception exist for MGs? It doesnt matter to the result in your EOP, but can an MG keep ROF in the DFPh despite its base MMC being marked with FF?

Cheers

Mike

Mike and Damon,
As I include in the tEOP for S2, the best aid for this subject is the comprehensive flow chart available at http://home.comcast.net/~tomrepetti/misc/FFflowchartv3.1.PDF . Print this and always keep a copy handy! Have a great game!
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Couldn't agree with you more Eddy, this play aid is a must have!

I have it printed out just as you suggest and refer to it often...well less so these days as I feel I'm getting the hang of the defensive fire options.


 
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  • Posted Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:18 am
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Ive just printed it out and laminated it. It points to rule A8.41 which puts the question to rest nicely.

Thanks guys

Mike



 
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Ok sorry eddy another question.

Pg22 GT5 RtPh - the French brokie expends 4MF to get to Q7. The building in P4 is only 3MF away; do they have to move to closest cover in MF in this situation, or are they ok since they dont have to move in the first place?


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AnzacWookie wrote:
Ok sorry eddy another question.

Pg22 GT5 RtPh - the French brokie expends 4MF to get to Q7. The building in P4 is only 3MF away; do they have to move to closest cover in MF in this situation, or are they ok since they dont have to move in the first place?


Cheers

Mike

Hi Mike,
Without setting it up to check it, all I can say is to make sure that P4 isn't closer to a Known Enemy Unit somewhere, and therefore not a legal rout destination.
Eddy
 
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Im pretty sure it isnt closer to a KEU.

 
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