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Jan 12, 2012
18GA_cotton_port_map.pdf (2.40 MB) (Log in or Register to download.)
note: I was trying to keep all parts to this re-draw on one page but the latest version of the standard map went to a new page accidentally. Get the standard map here.

Mark Derrick's Cotton Port variant of 18GA. It uses the same tile set (although the Savannah hex may not be upgraded), privates, companies, etc.

There are only two changes:
1. costs for some of the river and wetland hexes have changed.
2. the Georgia Railroad now places two free station tokens on launch, in Augusta and Charleston. This leaves it with a $40 token and a $100 token.

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The idea with the Cotton Port variant was to add a little twist to the game without changing it too much. At the time, the SAL was one of the slower starters. With this, it is better. The reason I added the token slot was that I thought it would be confusing to have the GA token spot in Augusta on the printed map not used, players may have thought it was reserved for the GA, etc. In our experience, the W&A was always the first RR started and the GA was about the third. Now it is likely to be second or third. Having an extra token spot is not as great as it seems since the RR can still only buy one train per turn, and now it has one less token to place in someplace more useful like Atlanta or Macon.
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Nice. Are other files (ie tokens) waiting in the approval queue?

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Tokens are coming - in the queue.

I did not draw the tiles. John Galt's tiles available at his [geekurl= http://www.diogenes.sacramento.ca.us/18AL_18GA.html]download page[/geekurl] are fine. I have not yet figured out how to make a classy template that makes them easy to cut like his..

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try simple url?

I'll keep an eye out for the tokens. This looks really nice and I'll try to make one up in the near future.

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Hole punches do indeed make the world more ideal.

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Thanks for sharing all this great work, Peter!

I really appreciate that you kept the original color scheme for 18GA- I have an 18GA kit from John Galt with complete tokens, tiles and etc already- it's great to be able to mix-and-match with new components from your re-draw, keeping good stuff I already have.

I don't like the extra revenue track for 18GA, though, for 3 reasons: it requires an extra token that I don't already have (in my existing, complete 18GA); it takes up more space on the table (I like that 18al/18ga are 'really small', vs 1830); it complicates a game that I would want to keep simple, as an introductory title.

Would you be willing to provide your 18GA map/design in an alternative/simpler layout, without the extra revenue track?
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jimb wrote:
Would you be willing to provide your 18GA map/design in an alternative/simpler layout, without the extra revenue track?

I'm happy that you like it. I can make a less-crowded board, without the earnings track. I'll send upload it.. after I finish the board with the Cotton Port Variant.

But I can't see how a board without an earnings track would be better. One of the things I like about Deep Though's productions is that there is always an earning track integrated in the design. The extra tokens? Make them.
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Not always integrated. Sometimes supplied on a separate piece of laminated paper

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photocurio wrote:
I can't see how a board without an earnings track would be better. One of the things I like about Deep Though's productions is that there is always an earning track integrated in the design. The extra tokens? Make them.

Our tastes and existing equipment for 18ga differ, I guess.

I don't see expanding all 18xx maps with an earnings-track as a positive development; one generic offboard track would suffice throughout.
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jimb wrote:
I don't see expanding all 18xx maps with an earnings-track as a positive development; one generic offboard track would suffice throughout.


While I agree, special-purpose racetracks may be easily customised to fit the game at hand, taking less space (and clutter) and being scaled for the revenues typical in that game. Those are non-negligible benefits, at least to me. Table-space is often a premium, and one less bit to cart about and set out (and move back when it is inevitably knocked) is appreciated.

My beef with Peter's redraw is simpler: he put a box-frame inside the border of the shares, which makes even exquisitely small errors in cutting the shares stand out like sore thumbs. As a result I find the map fine, the tokens reasonable, etc, but I'll probably be redoing the shares to akin to the shares I did for 18FR.
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clearclaw wrote:

My beef with Peter's redraw is simpler: he put a box-frame inside the border of the shares, which makes even exquisitely small errors in cutting the shares stand out like sore thumbs.

This is not so hard to cut with a paper cutter, as long as it is large and sharp. You need to clamp down your stack of shares with a ruler and a book. Or, take the shares to an office print shop, they can do it fast and don't charge very much for the service. There is a faint cutting line between the shares that should give the correct margins.

BTW, Cotton Port Variant is uploaded.
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photocurio wrote:
This is not so hard to cut with a paper cutter, as long as it is large and sharp.


I am unusually sensitive to such alignment errors.

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Hi Peter

Thanks for your nice work.

There seems to be a difference to the Cotton-Port overlay, you posted in former times.

Your new drawn map has only one city circle for the SAL.
I am missing the second circle for an other company to place a token, if she wants.

short - the original has two token places in Savannah, your new redrawn only one, that for the SAL.

What is right???
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joscha wrote:
Hi Peter

Thanks for your nice work.

There seems to be a difference to the Cotton-Port overlay, you posted in former times.

Your new drawn map has only one city circle for the SAL.
I am missing the second circle for an other company to place a token, if she wants.

short - the original has two token places in Savannah, your new redrawn only one, that for the SAL.

What is right???


OOPS. I messed up. corrected file uploaded. I also added a certificate limit and starting capital chart.
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If you end up needing to open up the map again, you might consider correcting Charleston to SC rather than NC. Greenville also should probably be SC. (While there is a Greenville, NC it is much farther away from GA than Greenville, SC).
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Hello Peter

Two things -

1. Montgomery is a 30 / 40 in the (blue) map you loaded up on 2009.11.11

2. there is now white circle between Marcon and Albany, as now to be seen.

Do not want to be naszy, what is right ?
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joscha wrote:

Do not want to be naszy, what is right ?

You're not naszy, I was sloppy. I have submitted corrected files for the map, and variant map.. I found one more typo while I was fixing, as well.

[all typos now fixed and corrected files are on top - uncorrected file deleted]
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Thanks Peter for your work.

I see no more evidently typos.

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Is it just me or does the #trains on the charters not agree with #trains in Table I in the v3.26 rules?

Rules: 5*, 4, 3, 2, 2, 5
Charter: 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 5
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you are right. and 200 downloads with this horrible error! I'll upload a corrected version soon. the info on the charters was my favorite part of the whole project – it seems to help play considerably.
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photocurio wrote:
you are right. and 200 downloads with this horrible error! I'll upload a corrected version soon. the info on the charters was my favorite part of the whole project – it seems to help play considerably.

I agree, as a 18xx noob I am looking for something like http://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/42700/18al-comprehensive-2... for the new titles I am looking into. And you adding the phases onto the charters is a nice way to start.
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If you are updating the charters I think there was a hickup on the Georgia Railroads (GA, green) charter listing their first 2 stations as free. The original charter and rules say free, 40, 100, and 100.
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New file is uploaded with correct train roster.
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If you are updating the charters I think there was a hickup on the Georgia Railroads (GA, green) charter listing their first 2 stations as free. The original charter and rules say free, 40, 100, and 100.

I was thinking of the cotton port variant when I made that.. the new file has the 18GA original token schedule.
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I was thinking of the cotton port variant when I made that.. the new file has the 18GA original token schedule.

That was pointed out to me in my session report, I only glanced over the variant rules and did not remember that part when I was teaching the game.
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The tokens say WRA instead of W&A.
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The tokens say WRA instead of W&A.

Map too.
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Small err. Train 4 says that it is rusted by D train instead of 8.
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Oops. Noticed another small err. Company charters claim that the price of a 2 train is $80, whereas the rules say $100.
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photocurio wrote:

I was thinking of the cotton port variant when I made that.. the new file has the 18GA original token schedule.


Would it be possible to have both versions? (just in case you are just about to touch the charters anyway)
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What was the correction that you made on July 8th?
 
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The big one was that people didn't like the all-in-one layout because it was a pain to print (and cut and store). So this is broken up into handy pieces: the maps print on one sheet each. The market, IPO, par values & earnings track print on a third sheet. Ideally there would be one double sided map, and then the market, etc map

Also, there were a number of minor typos, mostly listed in the above posts. An unlisted typo was that the W&A was labeled as WRA on the token sheet. I finally got around to fixing all of them.
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Errors:
Montgomery should be 30/40
Tallahassee should be 20/50

Thanks for your redraw, it's much nicer than the original.
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The stock market is 11x17, standard tabloid paper size. The map, however, is 12x15. Is that right? Any suggestions for printing it? As a poster perhaps?
 
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Tim, its a problem, and I never found the perfect solution. Some printers are smart enough to 'tile' your print. Some inkjet printers will do 13x19 (Super B). Or you can pay extra for oversize printing.
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What if you crop the white border? In fact, the right edge can be cropped into the red Charleston hex painlessly.
 
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Tim, its a problem, and I never found the perfect solution. Some printers are smart enough to 'tile' your print. Some inkjet printers will do 13x19 (Super B). Or you can pay extra for oversize printing.

Ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. I'll probably try to have the map tiled over two sheets of legal paper. Otherwise, a full-sized poster print should do the trick. Thanks for all your hard work on the map by the way!
 
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This is great - thanks very much for all your work. I've just built 18AL and am trying to learn the fundamentals of the system on that before I start making this.

One query though, on both the standard and cotton port maps, isn't Tallahassee missing an 'e'?
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Chrysm wrote:


This is great - thanks very much for all your work. I've just built 18AL and am trying to learn the fundamentals of the system on that before I start making this.

One query though, on both the standard and cotton port maps, isn't Tallahassee missing an 'e'?

fixed and in the queue
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The map looks great! Of course, I just picked up the original map from the printer yesterday. Curse my timing! (Maybe I'll go back later and make up your version but don't tell my wife)
 
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The map looks great! Of course, I just picked up the original map from the printer yesterday. Curse my timing! (Maybe I'll go back later and make up your version but don't tell my wife)

Thanks. You can neatly add the missing 'e' to Tallahassee with a fine pen. That's what I'd do anyway.
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Mease19 wrote:
The map looks great! Of course, I just picked up the original map from the printer yesterday. Curse my timing! (Maybe I'll go back later and make up your version but don't tell my wife)

Thanks. You can neatly add the missing 'e' to Tallahassee with a fine pen. That's what I'd do anyway.

Sorry, I meant the 2003/2004 David Galt map.
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I've printed and mounted the map and it looks great.

I'd like to make a double-sided board though with the Cotton Port variant on the back so could you possibly add the 'e' to that one too?
 
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I uploaded it.. still in the queue I guess
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Ah, sorry for being impatient!
 
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And here it is... Perfect.
 
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Just sat down to play the base game and noticed the private railways aren't indicated on the board so you can't tell which are their home hexes. They're marked on the cotton port map, so would it be possible to do this on the base map too?
 
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fixed, uploaded. but for some reason it went to a new file page, here: standard map. I was trying to keep all files on one page, but now they have forked.
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