Game: Die Macher

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

gman_php — 2008-07-02T11:13:18+00:00

CortexBomb wrote:
If the 1 and 3 tiles were placed first, then the order the boards will be played will already be determined.

Exactly that is (was) the problem.
But the idea to first place 1/3 tiles and then region tiles is the best way I think!

Thread: Re: Partner behaviour in coalition

BrenoK — 2008-07-02T02:22:55+00:00

I love making coaltions and then :thumbsdown:ing my partner's marker when I see our victory is pretty much guaranteed :devil:

Thread: Re: Partner behaviour in coalition

Morganza — 2008-07-02T01:52:08+00:00

Remember that coalitions aren't always voluntary. :-)

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

ipgyst — 2008-07-02T01:26:27+00:00

If you deal the regional opinion cards first, all your problems are solved.

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

CortexBomb — 2008-07-02T01:11:20+00:00

eker wrote:

That is the setup I use also - but where to place 1. counter and 3. counter, I pick the lowest score board to place 1. counter.

Again, this isn't an issue if you place the 1 and 3 tiles first and then place the region value tiles. Deal the region cards face down in order, in reverse order, in any order you choose and then flip them over. If the 1 and 3 tiles were placed first, then the order the boards will be played will already be determined.

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

Desiderata — 2008-07-02T01:07:44+00:00

Edit: Disregard--it's been address already. :)

Well, I haven't played the game yet, but couldn't you just first place the 1 and 3 round markers before placing the four states?

You could place the states in some type of order (i.e clockwise), starting with the 1st election state.

Or, you could place all four state tiles face down and then reveal them all simultaneously.

Or, am I not understanding the issue?

Thread: Re: Partner behaviour in coalition

CortexBomb — 2008-07-02T01:03:29+00:00

masdero wrote:

Then the weaker party plays... is it allowed to remove the national opinion card just placed by the stronger party?

More in general, must allied parties behave to each other "nicely"?

In order:

Yes.

and

Of course not! :devil:

Thread: Partner behaviour in coalition

masdero — 2008-07-01T11:54:41+00:00

After a coalition is formed, there is no way to break it.

If the coalition wins, the stronger party in the coalition must play first and place 1 media cube and can (re)place 1 statal opinion in a national slot.
Then the weaker party plays... is it allowed to remove the national opinion card just placed by the stronger party?

More in general, must allied parties behave to each other "nicely"?

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

gman_php — 2008-07-01T09:23:54+00:00

Thx guys for this turbo fast answers :)
So yes, just lay out the 1 and 3 tiles, then assign the region values.
While reading the manual i supposed to do it that way, but I just wanted to ask if there's a rule out there :)
Thx guys!

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

eker — 2008-07-01T09:11:19+00:00

CortexBomb wrote:
AFAIK you're just supposed to do it randomly. I thought Valley included the tiles with "1. Parteibase", "3. Parteibase", "5. Parteibase", "Keine Coalition" as Hans im Glueck did but perhaps not? When I set up the game I just lay those tiles down first, and then draw the region cards in order or reverse order. It randomizes it.

I couldn't imagine playing it where the players would actually choose. It might work in inexperienced groups, but I don't think we have many inexperienced players left locally, we've all played the game a lot :)

Yes -similar pieces are supplied with VG.

That is the setup I use also - but where to place 1. counter and 3. counter, I pick the lowest score board to place 1. counter.

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

CortexBomb — 2008-07-01T09:00:05+00:00

AFAIK you're just supposed to do it randomly. I thought Valley included the tiles with "1. Parteibasis Zahlt", "3. Parteibasis Zahlt", "5. Parteibasis Zahlt", "Keine Coalition" as Hans im Glueck did but perhaps not? When I set up the game I just lay those tiles down first, and then draw the region cards in order or reverse order. It randomizes it.

I couldn't imagine playing it where the players would actually choose. It might work in inexperienced groups, but I don't think we have many inexperienced players left locally, we've all played the game a lot :)

edit: Yes, those tiles are included, though without the German. So yes, just lay out the 1 and 3 tiles, then assign the region values.

Thread: Re: How to determine starting electoral state

eker — 2008-07-01T08:57:09+00:00

I don`t think there is a rule (Valley games) for this.

As we always have newbies (or players with little experience and long time since last play) -I choose the segment with lowest score. Then players can break into the game with least possible score to mess up with.

Thread: How to determine starting electoral state

gman_php — 2008-07-01T08:44:37+00:00

Hi there!

I just bought "Die Macher" in 3rd Edition by Valley Games Inc. and I have a (I think) important question:

The Manual says, that the "Partybase"-Marker for the first and the third election state should be placed on the boards. Ok, easy to place them there, but HOW can I determine which the first election state is?
The manual says, that I first determine the states the boards represent and than place the "Partybase"-Markers there.
I first thought, that's not important, which state is first, but I think it is:
If the program of my party fits the wishes of state a) it's better for me to start there and not to start with state b), where maybe my program is completly different and I have to change it.

Is there a rule how to determine the state where we start?

Thanks and greetings,

gman.php!

Thread: Re: Current State Meeting Markers & Votes

CitizenBob — 2008-07-01T12:55:40+00:00

I agree - this rule should go in a faq. It's one of the few places I found ambiguity in the otherwise thorough rulebook.

Thread: Re: Another few rules questions...

Bassfisher44 — 2008-06-30T08:50:27+00:00

This point makes a big difference in the game. Do you have to remove a media marker in order to use the media option on the shadow cabinet cards?? Anyone???

Thread: Re: Another few rules questions...

Bassfisher44 — 2008-06-28T05:06:17+00:00

Thanks Paul, This really helps....