Board Game: Die Macher

Thread: Re: Die Macher - A 3-player game done solo!

KrisVerbeeck — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:06:16 +0000

First of all I only have played it once not so long ago.

I actually think die macher is not a difficult game to play.
Playing it well is a different matter though because there are many ways to score.

there is a good turnorder aid here on the geek. Use it if you haven't played it before or problems with the order of play..
The actions you can take each turn are pretty straightforward.

For those who play it the first time I would suggest you try to win one election instead of the game. Approach the game as an experience.
Winning an election will allow you to get a better feel for the scoring and when you have mediacubes on that and you get to place an issue on that board you will also get a better feel for the national board itself.

Don't forget the huge scoring at the end on that national track. Winning the last election gives you a huge benefit since you can change issues on that track.

Also when you have finished round three you are halfway through a normal game.
The game picks up speed from then on.

When you finished the game. You want to play it again.

Thread: Re: Wondering what the interest would be for replacement cards

Chris__M — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:47:31 +0000

Kalvin wrote:
otrex wrote:
Thanks for the input on our game.

I can't promise anything at the moment in the way of replacement cards, but I CAN tell you that this matter has not slipped past our attention. We are aware of the potential issue that some customers may have with the cards.

We are, and will be continuing to have interest and concern for our customer's opinions about our products.

So, for the moment I can't promise anything, but I did want to let you all know that we are aware of the issue.

I would agree. I too would like new cards but the fact that you check these forums gives me hope. It's nice to see manufacturers interested in their customers opinions.

I wouldn't have too much hope, if I were you. Kevin's comments (quoted above) were posted over 2 years ago, and we haven't heard anything further on the subject since.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

Johan — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:21:03 +0000

Hmm, maybe a candidate for an ArtsCow deck? Thought I'd just throw it out there in case someone feels like designing one... :meeple:

Thread: Re: Wondering what the interest would be for replacement cards

Kalvin — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:33:47 +0000

otrex wrote:
Thanks for the input on our game.

I can't promise anything at the moment in the way of replacement cards, but I CAN tell you that this matter has not slipped past our attention. We are aware of the potential issue that some customers may have with the cards.

We are, and will be continuing to have interest and concern for our customer's opinions about our products.

So, for the moment I can't promise anything, but I did want to let you all know that we are aware of the issue.

I would agree. I too would like new cards but the fact that you check these forums gives me hope. It's nice to see manufacturers interested in their customers opinions.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

Kalvin — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:22:06 +0000

I would absolutely love to purchase new cards. There is confusion and I think it could be easy to correct but I lack the confidence to create new cards.

Definitely would purchase new cards to this game that I really enjoy. In fact, I'd love to get cards from a version that's not from Valley Games so if anyone could send me information or would want to sell their cards, please contact me.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

Seth_Logan — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:59:46 +0000

masdero wrote:
If Valley Games created a new deck of cards, correcting the error and with more readable graphics, would you buy them (for a reasonable price of course)?

I surely would.

(let's hope to receive a lot of yes and the attention of VG)

Hell yeah! It cost me the game in turn one, when I found out I didn't match with the cards on the forum! Turns out that industry and nuclear energy are quite difficult to tell apart. But that goes for everything else too!

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

DarkFib3r — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:22:30 +0000

elcomadreja2 wrote:
To get a game in is going to take some coordination. Ideas?

Shad maintains a GeekList that attempts to coordinate players and VASSAL games. The list can be found at http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/23350. This should allow players to find opponents.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

bsushort — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:04:30 +0000

If the error were something that impacted gameplay, I would want replacements, but as it is the error is pretty irrelevant. For a game that sees as little play as this one (it's good, but both long and hardcore), I would have trouble justifying cosmetic purchases for Die Macher. Of course, I also wouldn't sculpt my own pieces for Agricola, either, so obviously, to each his own.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

elcomadreja2 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:19:18 +0000

The yes/more mixup isn't that bad, because you just look at red/not red instead. I'd still slap down at least 5$ for cards that are more distingushable on a large play area.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

aaxiom — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:29:20 +0000

masdero wrote:
whac3 wrote:
What mistake are you talking about?

I do not have the game nearby, but I remember that some cards have the less/more symbol swapped with the yes/no one.

Ah yes. Never noticed that before. Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm fine with the game as it is, but I'll admit it's not the friendliest game for new players -- and needlessly so.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

masdero — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:18:30 +0000

whac3 wrote:
What mistake are you talking about?

I do not have the game nearby, but I remember that some cards have the less/more symbol swapped with the yes/no one.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

Marcus de Bassus — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:38:34 +0000

I would buy user friendly, corrected cards.

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

aaxiom — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:03:01 +0000

1. What error... and why do we have to ask?

2. Point well-taken regarding the graphics. They're a hinderance to new players, and needlessly befuddle even the best of intentioned.

Kindly elaborate on point #1, please.

Thanks!

Thread: Re: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

whac3 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:11:51 +0000

What mistake are you talking about?

Thread: Would you buy a corrected set of cards

masdero — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:06:14 +0000

If Valley Games created a new deck of cards, correcting the error and with more readable graphics, would you buy them (for a reasonable price of course)?

I surely would.

(let's hope to receive a lot of yes and the attention of VG)

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

DarkFib3r — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:56:18 +0000

I'm glad it helped - my original explanation was a little sloppy :modest:.

In the meantime, I added functionality to send the public opinion and party policy cards to the bottom of the deck instead of reshuffling them in. The only caveat is that the game starts with unshuffled decks and the players must explicitly click a "shuffle decks" button to initialize the cards. The button is in the center of the main board and it disappears after it is pressed.

The consequences of the modification is that it requires an extra action by one of the players to initialize the game. However, sending the cards to the bottom of the deck could save a number of extra actions and follows the true mechanic of the game. It's probably a good thing.

I'll post the update immediately if people would prefer to use it instead of the one I originally posted. Otherwise, I'll hold off and let people experiment with the current version.

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

TheCat — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:59:57 +0000

That's a much clearer explanation. I think the way you have done it works fine. The original description made it sound like there wasn't a discard pile for opinion polls.

Thread: Re: Who thinks there should be an British Parliament version of Die Macher?

nyhotep — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:46:40 +0000

You would need special rules for

a) cash for questions
b) life peerages for contributions
c) the house of the living dead.. er Lords
d) special victory points for making the most outrageous expense claims without getting caught
e) the ability to completely disregard public opinion if you feel like it.
f) the requirement to change your policies and overreact to tabloid hysteria.

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

DarkFib3r — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:32:47 +0000

TheCat wrote:
I am leery of the constant reshuffling vs. maintaining a constant deck of opinion polls. Seems like it might introduce a little bit more (undesired) randomness.

I'm not sure what you mean by changing the game mechanic for opinion polls. Perhaps I did a poor job explaining what is happening.

When you discard your published/unpublished opinion polls, they are not added back into the deck. They go into their own discard pile. However, the public opinion deck and party policy deck are reshuffled whenever a card is added back into it. So if you draw a duplicate or contradictory card, instead of pushing it to the bottom of the deck, you simply reshuffle it back in. In my opinion, this does little to impact the game mechanics in any significant way, but I could be mistaken.

Do you still think this adds more undesired randomness? Should it push the card to the bottom of the deck, or is reshuffling the entire deck just as good?

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

matthewguidry — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:29:14 +0000

Been wanting to try this game for quite some time but never able to get a group together. My Valley Games edition is still practically new. I'm up to playing this game with a group of new players via Vassal. Anyone interested?

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

Windopaene — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:22:20 +0000

Agreed. Why go to all the effort to make this very nice mod, and then do something weird like make this kind of fundamental change to the game mechanics?

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

TheCat — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:06:48 +0000

I am leery of the constant reshuffling vs. maintaining a constant deck of opinion polls. Seems like it might introduce a little bit more (undesired) randomness.

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

Windopaene — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:15:54 +0000

elcomadreja2 wrote:
To get a game in is going to take some coordination. Ideas?

Emails and dedicated players?

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

gatsby — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:09:57 +0000

I have been waiting for this for a very long long time..thankyou... I have played this solitaire on the kitchen table I liked it so much ...not a lot of family breakfasts for a while..so again much thanks..

John

Thread: Re: Die Macher VASSAL v1.07

elcomadreja2 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:21:00 +0000

To get a game in is going to take some coordination. Ideas?

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Phrim — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:58:10 +0000

Origins 2009: Die Macher with Kevin (kevruth), Anni (Ibaimendi), Paul (DaMarsh), and Erin (andsoerinsaid)

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:37:34 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: CDU/CSU Pieces Board

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:18:36 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: CDU/CSU Pieces Board

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:17:47 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: CDU/CSU Preliminary Card

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:16:46 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: Player Decks Board

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:15:48 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: Organization Board

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:14:49 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: National Board

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DarkFib3r — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:13:55 +0000

Die Macher VASSAL: State Boards

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promuso — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:29:19 +0000

Some of my Die Macher 'Oz' game components.

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bocachankla — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:21:05 +0000

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jaugusto72 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:04:26 +0000

Group playing in the 33° JogaSampa

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jaugusto72 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:03:49 +0000

33° Jogasampa - June 2009

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LeAchim — Thu, 21 May 2009 21:53:18 +0000

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TrilceAC — Mon, 04 May 2009 21:53:21 +0000

Alternative red/green Economic Redevelopment cards

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Obiwong — Fri, 01 May 2009 16:08:15 +0000

Nearly the final round of Die Macher!