Game: Njet!

Thread: Re: New edition

Flix — 2007-10-22T19:55:16+00:00

Akke wrote:
Flix wrote:
However, Willi got quite poor reviews in the past (at least from German playtesters) so it is subject of discussion if there might have been a better possible flller for the 4-in-1 box.

Sticheln would probably have been a better choice.
Exactly, good example.

(Sidenote: I like the idea of a x-in-one solution for classic card games.
That's why I give all my friends as x-mas gift simply a Rage deck - together with a handmade booklet explaining the rules for literally all the following games:
Lost Cities, Schotten-Totten, Loco, Die Sieben Siegel, Sticheln, Null & Void, Wizard, Olé, Don, Bambuti, Hols' der Geier, Klunker, Mü & more, Njet!, Medici and (using two decks) even Schnäppchen Jagd, Phase 10, The Great Dalmuti.

All you need is the Rage deck, some chips or color tokens, pencil, paper - and there you go!)

Flix

Thread: Re: New edition

Akke — 2007-10-22T19:41:23+00:00

Flix wrote:
However, Willi got quite poor reviews in the past (at least from German playtesters) so it is subject of discussion if there might have been a better possible flller for the 4-in-1 box.

Sticheln would probably have been a better choice.

Thread: Re: Differences between new and old editions

Profesor Mora — 2007-09-29T18:59:54+00:00

Stefan Dorra writes today in his website ( http://www.dorra-spiele.de ) about the new revised Njet! and what are the differences between Goldsieber's edition and this new edition from Amigo:

"Amigo hat soeben mit “4 in 1” eine neue Kartenspielsammlung veröffentlicht, zu der ich auch mit einem Spiel beitragen konnte. In der Schachtel befinden sich die 4 Stichspiele Meinz (Günther Burkhardt), Mü (Frank Nestel), Njet (Stefan Dorra) und Was sticht? (Karl-Heinz Schmiel). Njet wurde in vielen Punkten gegenüber der Goldsieber-Ausgabe von 1997 überarbeitet. Es eignet sich jetzt für 2-5 Mitspieler. Es können auch drei Spieler gegen zwei Spieler antreten oder zwei gegen einen. Die Anzahl der Beutekarten wurde um 50 % erhöht und wenn in der Punktezeile das Minus-2-Feld nicht abgedeckt wird, wird sozusagen Ramsch gespielt. Für jeden gewonnenen Stich gibt’s dann 2 Minuspunkte."

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elSchwabo — 2007-09-13T15:22:12+00:00

Njet is one of four games republished in Amigos 4-in-1

Thread: Differences between new and old editions

caesarbgg — 2007-09-04T09:42:03+00:00

As stated in another post, AMIGO will release Njet! together with 3 other trick-taking games (Mü, Meinz and Was sticht?) in a box called 4-in-1.

As I have noticed that there are several quite significant changes between the Njet! editions, but I'm not a really experienced Njet!-player, I'd like to get your opinions about the changes:

1. More cards: 60 cards in 4 suits instead of 40 cards.

2. Card values are: 3 zeros (NEW), 4 sevens (NEW), one of each other from 1 to 9.

3. Zeros are now potential super-trumps and give points when captured.

4. Playable by 2 to 5 players (due to the higher number of cards)

5. Different bidding opportunities on the Njet!-board: Every row has now 5 options.

5a) Starting player: 5 different players

5b) Discarding: In addition to the one, two or no discard options, there are two more:
- discard two cards (which must not be zeros)
- pass two cards to your right-hand neighbour

5c) Trump: A "No trump" option was added

5d) Super-trump: Same as before (only with zeros instead of ones)

5e) Points: There is an additional "-2" option, which completely turns the game around. Each trick and/or captured zero counts negative 2 points.

If there are uneven teams, the start player chooses his partner(s) and nominates one player of the smaller team (including himself), whose tricks and captures count double in the tally.

As I have only played several hands of Njet!, I would ask the opinions of more experienced players about the impact of these changes.

Thread: Re: New edition

Limp — 2007-08-11T00:15:24+00:00

They said me : "end of this mouth" The box is the same that the kupferkessel's box.
Now I'm lookong for the illustrations of the cards and the board...

Thread: Re: New edition

Henry Rhombus — 2007-08-06T04:02:44+00:00

Limp wrote:
Can somebody it say for when this new edition is envisaged?

Blaise, Rio Grande is hoping to release Mu and much more at Essen, but isn't sure it will meet that date. I believe that Amigo is releasing its version in September.

Eric
Editor, http://www.BoardgameNews.com

Thread: Re: New edition

Flix — 2007-08-05T17:15:34+00:00

mango_chutney wrote:
thatmarkguy wrote:
Does anyone know anything about "Meinz"?

From what Professor Dora and Mark McEvoy write I would think that it is a new edition of Burkhardt's WILLI http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/2176. That one definitely has the "demanding one's trick" mechanism, and was also a (very strained) wordplay on "this will be mine".

hmmmmm... I used to have WILLI, but never played it, because the rules seemed unnecessarily convoluted.

Günter Burkhardt confirmed on the German Spielbox forum that it is an unaltered edition of Willi.
http://www.spielbox.de/phorum4/read.php4?f=1&i=173486&t=1734...

However, Willi got quite poor reviews in the past (at least from German playtesters) so it is subject of discussion if there might have been a better possible flller for the 4-in-1 box.

Flix

Thread: Re: New edition

travistdale — 2007-08-05T16:10:36+00:00

Stephen Glenn wrote:
One thing about Njet that I remember bugging me. If you were partners with the leader on the last hand there's no way you can win.

Of course, it's been a long time since I played. And that may have been a 'feature' instead of a 'bug'.

We've played with the variant where the partner of the winner in the last round automatically gets second place, no matter the scores of the other players.

Thread: Re: New edition

Limp — 2007-08-05T14:32:28+00:00

Can somebody it say for when this new edition is envisaged? ?

Thread: Re: New edition

kvn299 — 2007-07-30T14:56:57+00:00

Great! Although I have Mu and Njet!, I was planning on getting Was Sticht?.

Thread: Re: New edition

atholbrose — 2007-07-30T14:30:36+00:00

Rio Grande just announced that 4 in 1 will be published here in August as "Mu and Much More". Coolness.

Thread: Re: New edition

mango_chutney — 2007-07-27T20:58:52+00:00

thatmarkguy wrote:
Does anyone know anything about "Meinz"?

From what Professor Dora and Mark McEvoy write I would think that it is a new edition of Burkhardt's WILLI http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/2176. That one definitely has the "demanding one's trick" mechanism, and was also a (very strained) wordplay on "this will be mine".

hmmmmm... I used to have WILLI, but never played it, because the rules seemed unnecessarily convoluted.

About beginner-friendliness: the German text does SLIGHTLY suggest that there will be simplified beginner-rules, but I didn't translate it that way because it wasn't explicitly stated. That's the problem with the inadequacies of translations

Thread: Re: New edition

Profesor Mora — 2007-07-27T20:52:59+00:00

thatmarkguy wrote:

Yep, some quick research tells me it's likely a renaming of "Willi". One rating comment for Willi reads "Unique game that saying "Willi" win you a trick for no cost." - sounds like it matches the description above ("a game in which one can simply demand to get a trick!")

Good deduction skills!! Now we know all games!! I like this cooperative geek work

Thread: Re: New edition

thatmarkguy — 2007-07-27T20:44:05+00:00

"one might choose one's handcards in one game"

That's Was Sticht.

"the trump-suit is determined by exclusion in another"

That's Njet.

"or play a game in which one can simply demand to get a trick!"

That's not Mu, so it must be Meinz. Sounds like the title may be wordplay on the word "Mein". That's go with the concept of being able to declare ownership of a trick.

"beginners will find a good introduction to the realm of trick-taking games."

I wouldn't consider any of the three games we know, to be that sort of 'good introduction'. They're all more likely to send the new player screaming.

Profesor Mora wrote:
thatmarkguy wrote:

Does anyone know anything about "Meinz"?

Maybe is the only new game of the pack, but that would be strange, or maybe a new edition with a new name of one of the three trick taking games by Günter Burkhardt: Willi, Volltreffer or Trumps, tricks, game!

Yep, some quick research tells me it's likely a renaming of "Willi". One rating comment for Willi reads "Unique game that saying "Willi" win you a trick for no cost." - sounds like it matches the description above ("a game in which one can simply demand to get a trick!")

Thread: Re: New edition

Profesor Mora — 2007-07-27T20:29:31+00:00

thatmarkguy wrote:

Does anyone know anything about "Meinz"?

Maybe is the only new game of the pack, but that would be strange, or maybe a new edition with a new name of one of the three trick taking games by Günter Burkhardt: Willi, Volltreffer or Trumps, tricks, game!

Thank you for the translation, Luis!

Thread: Re: New edition

mango_chutney — 2007-07-27T20:22:45+00:00

kvn299 wrote:
awesome! Anyone know what the article says?

Hope this helps:

"4 in1
The best trick-taking games.

This is a collection of four extraordinary trick-taking games by reknowned German designers. All of them have in common that they are trick-taking games, but each one has a special twist: one might choose one's handcards in one game, the trump-suit is determined by exclusion in another,or play a game in which one can simply demand to get a trick! Fans of sophisticated card games will not be disappointed and beginners will find a good introduction to the realm of trick-taking games."

It does sound like a neat set. I already own NJET, bu hear good things about MÜ and WAS STICHT, so this set might be worth my money.

Thread: Re: New edition

Aldaron — 2007-07-27T20:21:51+00:00

Any idea who is selling this online?

Thread: Re: New edition

thatmarkguy — 2007-07-27T19:44:07+00:00

Stephen Glenn wrote:
One thing about Njet that I remember bugging me. If you were partners with the leader on the last hand there's no way you can win.

Of course, it's been a long time since I played. And that may have been a 'feature' instead of a 'bug'.

That's a problem that's mostly common to all temporary-partnership games (including Mu and Japanese Napoleon and Farfalia/Chinkway) - it's difficult-to-impossible to overtake the person who is your partner.

Does anyone know anything about "Meinz"?

Thread: Re: New edition

Stephen Glenn — 2007-07-27T19:22:27+00:00

One thing about Njet that I remember bugging me. If you were partners with the leader on the last hand there's no way you can win.

Of course, it's been a long time since I played. And that may have been a 'feature' instead of a 'bug'.

Thread: Re: New edition

kvn299 — 2007-07-27T18:34:19+00:00

I'm actually pretty excited about this edition. I wonder when it's going to come out?

Thread: Re: New edition

thatmarkguy — 2007-07-27T18:22:41+00:00

Fascinating.

But - neither Mu nor Was Sticht feature a pass mechanic.

They do both feature multiple trumps, though. Both games could have a hand where "all fives and all red cards are trump".

Thread: Re: New edition

Profesor Mora — 2007-07-27T15:38:53+00:00

I think it's about how all the games share a "pass" mechanic but with a different twist.

Thread: Re: New edition

kvn299 — 2007-07-27T15:23:56+00:00

awesome! Anyone know what the article says?

Thread: New edition

Profesor Mora — 2007-07-27T14:59:38+00:00

New edition packed with three card games: Mü, Was Sticht? and Meinz.

http://www.amigo-spiele.de/Amigo_Produkte_Karten_4in1.Amigo?...

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majcher — 2007-01-13T21:03:59+00:00

Hand of Njet! cards, as played on a suitably beat-up table.

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majcher — 2007-01-13T21:03:37+00:00

Njet! - blocking off the trumps.

Thread: Re: Homemade versions

kvn299 — 2006-11-01T03:05:35+00:00

jtakagi wrote:
....seems like it didn't last very long!

No, it didn't, did it???

Mwa hahahaha! Mine all mine!

Thread: Re: Homemade versions

jtakagi — 2006-10-31T02:27:25+00:00

There was actually a copy up for sale here on the BGG Marketplace earlier today....seems like it didn't last very long!

It doesn't seem like it would be very hard to make your own copy of this game though.

Thread: Homemade versions

rossum — 2006-10-31T00:51:15+00:00

I've been looking for a copy of this for a while, trying to rebuild the shelf of a friend who has moved cross-country.

Has anyone made their own copy?

MDK

Thread: Njet!

mlvanbie — 2006-06-20T09:01:18+00:00

After months of carrying it around, I finally got to play my copy of Njet!. Sadly, it wasn't my night for trick-taking games....

We immediately took to the mechanism of eliminating options in the pregame. There was a decent amount of (fairly obvious) strategy and communication in this phase. Unfortunately, you sometimes cannot tell if someone wants something or just can't take the alternative that was left. This caused a couple unwise partnerships. Also, you can be pretty sure that if you are strong in a suit, someone else will be so weak in it that they will nix it. In some rounds I was unlucky, but in others it was definitely my mistakes that caused me to be on the low-scoring team.

C_ M_ B_ A_ 15 09 09 15 08 08 20 20 06 06 06 06 28 08 28 08 -- -- -- -- 57 31 63 49

Thread: Njet!: or, another way to say "You Can't Do That"

Verkisto — 2005-10-04T23:59:49+00:00

YAWTTG (Yet Another Wonky Trick-Taking Game) from the collection of Isaac Bickerstaff! I don't know why I like these sorts of games so much, but I do. Whenever we have 5 people, and someone asks what to play, I will always suggest Die Sieben Siegel. Njet! was a purchase from earlier this year, and had yet to get any table time, so the last time we had 4 available players, I suggested that we learn Njet!.

What makes this game unique is that the way you select start player, trump, supertrump, the number of cards you discard, and the value of tricks taken, is by vetoing certain options until you are left with only one in each category. Once this is finished, the start player picks a partner (based on no other information than that gleaned from who vetoed what), and the game is played out like a normal trick-taking game.

I like the vetoing method, and the way that you can watch what other people bid for information, and I also like that you can even bluff your way into being someone's partner, if you're sharp enough to pull it off. The method of scoring appears to have problems. The two partners score equal amounts, which is the full score for all tricks taken given to both players, which can create a situation where a winning player can guarantee a win if he picks the partner who could not possibly beat him, even if he won the same score. The only way I could see to prevent this is to make sure that the player in the lead is never given the opportunity to start the game and choose his partner.

Njet! is unique, and I think I like it. I'm not sure that it will overtake Die Sieben Siegel's place in my heart, but it's nice to know that I have a backup, if necessary.

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Verkisto — 2005-05-16T12:03:05+00:00

Scan of the box cover.

Thread: Session Report

i7dealer — 2005-03-31T22:06:56+00:00

Sharry, Rich and I had one more game left in us in our impromptu game session. No one had played Njet!, and I had read the rules while playing the previous game. After explaining what to do, we started out.

Being three players, we played with the variant that let one player play alone for double points, and the other two form a partnership. In every hand, the person who played alone received more points than the partnership did, and this lead to some serious import being placed on who was the start player (the start player chooses whether to partner, and if so with who).

Sharry held a lead she grabbed early till the 5th round of the game, when I jacked their partnership for a ton of points. Rich moved to be alone in the last round of the game, but it wasn't enough to undo the damage I had done. I came in winning by 9 points or so, sharry following behind closely, and rich trailing.

I think this game would be really good with 4 players, as I thought it was very interesting with just 3.

Thread: Re:First player in Njet!

thatmarkguy — 2004-06-04T18:27:14+00:00

ivefa9 (#38469),

The French wording is strange and contradictory.

Le joueur à la gauche du donneur commence la 1ère phase et commencera ensuite l'autre phase

...

1er joueur. Le joueur avec la carte joueur correspondante est le 1er joueur et doit donc choisir un partenaire. Le reste des joueurs devient l'équipe adverse

The first paragraph implies that left-of-dealer starts the first phase and the other phase. And the second paragraph states that the player with the matching player-card is the first player and chooses a partner.

In the English translation, that first paragraph is "His left hand neighbour begins the first game phase and
play passes clockwise." That is how I would play it. Left-of-dealer only begins the stone-playing phase; the player whose symbol is uncovered is that start player, and he both chooses a partner and leads the first trick.

Thread: First player in Njet!

ivefa9 — 2004-06-03T02:32:11+00:00

Hi to you,

I read the rules of this old classic card game by Dorra, and want to know a little detail about the first player in this game. It is written in my French rules that the player at the left of the dealer is the one who starts the first step of the game( condition of the trick), and after, start the trick taking part of the game too…The player who’s first on the little board ( no disk on his figure), does he only CHOOSE his partner for this round? And he doesn’t start the trick? Unless he is at the left of the dealer…

Thanks for your help,

..Yves

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darquil — 2004-04-18T12:51:55+00:00

Thread: Re:Question about the rules

thatmarkguy — 2004-01-20T17:01:00+00:00

mcpranno (#21528),

I've not seen the official rules of this particular title, though in all of the combined-trump games I've played in the past (from simple jack-transposing of traditional Euchre and Skat, to the crossing number-and-suit trumps of "Mü" and "Was Sticht?"), when a card becomes a part of the trump suit it is no longer a member of its 'face' suit. A trump loses its original suit identity, for purposes of following, and is considered in all ways to be of the same suit as trumps.

Though in most (all?) of these games, once a card hits the score pile it regains its original suit identity. So if you're playing a game where, for some reason, you're trying to avoid capturing any hearts, even if you capture a heart that was, at the time played, not considered a 'heart' but a member of the 'trump suit', you'd still be "painted". Likewise, if you're trying to collect cards of a particular suit.

Thread: Re:Question about the rules

darquil — 2004-01-20T07:32:23+00:00

mcpranno (#21528),

My translation of the rules is from the Rules Bank, by Mike Siggins. My understanding of the supertrump is that it is considered the same color of trump, and NOT it's original color (unless the two colors are the same).

Thus, in your example, you could follow Blue-3 with Blue-2, but not with Blue-1, since Blue-1 is now considered to be of the trump color, not of Blue. Definitely confusing.

Here are the rules from which I draw my conclusions:

"The start colour should be followed if possible. If you cannot follow, you can play trump or a supertrump.

If the start card is a trump, other players must play trump cards or supertrump cards. The same is true if a supertrump is led.

If a player cannot follow the start colour or play a trump etc., play any card."

Thus trump and supertrump seem to be clumped together as one suit (especially where supertrump is referred to as "etc.") and supertrump can only be played in circumstances in which trump can also be played.

Hope this is helpful.

Thread: Question about the rules

mcpranno — 2003-11-04T00:19:30+00:00

I don't play many "normal" trick-taking card games: Hearts, which doesn't employ trump, many times and Euchre once. So I have no idea how the trump/supertrump is supposed to work in true theory. And the English translation on the Game Cabinet site lends to the confusion...

Does the supertrump still count as a color when determining what must follow the opening play of a trick (assuming that a non-trump was led)?

Example: My opponent leads Blue-3 (a non-trump),and I have a Blue-2 and a Blue-1 (supertrump) in my hand. Do I have the option to play the Blue-1 and possibly win the trick, or do I have to throw the Blue-2?

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EYE of NiGHT — 2003-09-22T12:00:10+00:00

Njet! - components

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EYE of NiGHT — 2003-09-22T12:00:08+00:00

Njet! - box cover

Thread: Session Report

gschloesser — 2001-01-01T06:00:00+00:00

I requested that Craig teach me this trick-taking card game as I had been unable to properly learn the game from simply reading the rules. We played only one hand, but I see great promise in this as a family style game.