Game: Carcassonne - Die Katharer

Thread: Re: Re-release?

JoffW — 2008-10-06T19:13:25+00:00

It has been released by RGG under the name Cult, Siege and Creativity. The Siege aspect is essentially same rules as The Cathars but with different artwork.

I have a variant for using Cathars tiles and Siege tiles together over at www.carcassonnecentral.com (available from the forum) for those of us lucky enough to have Cathars and Siege tiles.

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Starsunsky — 2008-09-20T01:22:01+00:00

Zopper-Alf wrote:
I just sold this expansion for 20€ (26$!).
I have no clue what is going on with people paying so much for it..

This is ~~SPARTA~~ MADNESS!

I have never played it and neved really had the intention to do so. For 20 Euros you can get a whole new game - don't tell me that a four piece expansions is worth that much...
Doh, I am shocked (but on the other hand - nice to have some cash )

Someone has already broke your price......
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&cam...

One could buy pretty decent games with Euro 51,00.

Edit: Opps, I missed Gergely Czuppon's post....

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

thepackrat — 2008-09-09T12:47:21+00:00

Didn't RGG announce an upcoming expansion (release date listed as September) which would include this and the other stuff from the new German expansion that wasn't already published in English? Cult, Siege and Creativity, listed retail price $6.

Paying a silly amount more to avoid waiting for this RGG release seems a little odd

B>

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Chrysophylax — 2008-09-09T12:04:45+00:00

I definitely wouldn't pay that much for it...
but this 4 tile set does add a huge change in the dynamics to the gameplay.
I feel it's worth having.. cheers to any publisher who reprints it for those who go without.

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

leaxe — 2008-09-09T08:50:54+00:00

I just saw one go on ebay for 56 Eur. I really do not understand...

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Der-Carcassone-Almanch-Erweiterung-D...

Thread: Re: Two Tile Beseiged Cities

kungfro — 2008-08-18T20:55:54+00:00

I know I'm excruciatingly late in responding, and perhaps may be giving a ruling in contradiction to the official one, but:

Inns and Cathedrals operate such that when there is at least one of such a feature, the road/city scores one extra point per tile. Therefore, two Cathedrals will not score 2 extra points per city tile; nor would two (or more) Inns score two (or more) extra points per road.

So for the sake of both simplicity and continuity, it should hold that multiple siege tiles don't reduce the value of city tiles (or increase the points to farmers) any more than if there was just one. If the castle falls under siege once, then I guess the goal of the crusade has been achieved; another siege on the same city is just redundant. The victims can't be superconverted or superexcommunicated.

Thread: Re: Re-release?

Biarien — 2007-12-12T17:38:36+00:00

Yeah, it was this:

Q10: Can a knight in a besieged city escape via an abbey, or only via a cloister?
A: Yes: the abbey has all the characteristics of a cloister. In this respect more is on its way - in the next expansion (really just a collection of the mini-expansions) there will also be 'places of worship' which have a close connection to cloisters. We have to rule out various problems here…

. . .

So, the sixth expansion is also confirmed, and it sounds to me like it should include The Cathars - cool!

But I think they were referring to the heretic thing or whatever, which isn't nearly as cool. What a shame. :[

Thread: Re: Re-release?

Hustle Kong — 2007-12-12T17:33:12+00:00

Biarien wrote:
Matt Harper thinks HiG is hinting at a re-release. See this thread, specifically Q10 and his comment at the end of the first post.

Take it for whatever it's worth. I certainly hope they re-release the expansion. There's no real reason not to, as HiG certainly isn't making any more money from the tiles.

It's Spielbox, not HiG that owns the tiles, though. If I'm correct. And Spielbox doesn't seem to want to reprint them. I think we're out of luck as far as a reprint goes.

Thread: Re: Re-release?

Biarien — 2007-10-24T21:24:40+00:00

Matt Harper thinks HiG is hinting at a re-release. See this thread, specifically Q10 and his comment at the end of the first post.

Take it for whatever it's worth. I certainly hope they re-release the expansion. There's no real reason not to, as HiG certainly isn't making any more money from the tiles.

Thread: Re: Re-release?

big-chad — 2007-09-23T21:14:59+00:00

FYI- Question to Jay from Rio Grande Games on Sept 23rd...

Q:
I know the Carcassonne - Die Katharer expansion was printed by Speilbox magazine and not you, but is there any posibility that you may print this expansion any time in the future?

A:
No, Spielbox will not allow me to do that.

Jay

Thread: Re: Re-release?

Great Dane — 2007-09-23T07:19:02+00:00

Of course it will.
If not sooner, then in the mighty 25 year anniversary pack.

Thread: Re-release?

big-chad — 2007-09-23T06:59:45+00:00

Anyone here if this expansion will every be re-released?

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Aetesaki — 2007-09-14T17:12:44+00:00

Scan of front side of Der Carcassonne Almanach

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

Duane Abrames — 2007-06-29T01:02:10+00:00

apotheos wrote:
http://whine.ytmnd.com/

Well, that certainly contributes to the discussion...

I think it stinks that SpielBox is being stingy with an expansion for one of my all-time favorite games. I should have ordered it sooner. I was all set to, but then heard about it coming out over here. Since then, they have run out of the almanac. Oh bother.

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

apotheos — 2007-06-27T23:36:54+00:00

Spaztic wrote:
Great, and now it's not available from Speilbox either. I'm so glad that their "exclusivity" means that no one else will get to get it at a reasonable price since they are no longer selling it. I want a copy of it, but I guess I'll just have to go out and buy another copy of the main game and mark an X on the 4 corresponding tiles to have it since that's cheaper than buying it secondhand.

http://whine.ytmnd.com/

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

Spaztic — 2007-06-27T12:24:38+00:00

Great, and now it's not available from Speilbox either. I'm so glad that their "exclusivity" means that no one else will get to get it at a reasonable price since they are no longer selling it. I want a copy of it, but I guess I'll just have to go out and buy another copy of the main game and mark an X on the 4 corresponding tiles to have it since that's cheaper than buying it secondhand.

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Zopper-Alf — 2007-05-27T21:20:15+00:00

Well, let's put it that way: I am not to judge what people are willing to pay. If it's worth for someone than it's perfectly fine. I was just shocked about the price, I didn't expect it to go that high and offered it here on the geek for like half of the price (but I wanted to trade it).
I really rarely sell games or expansions. I much more like to trade and in trade I only have a not-so-close look of the actual selling price of a game.

I no way I wanted to mock the buyer - I am happy and hope the buyer is happy as well...

Sorry if I sounded like an ass, that wasn't my intention.
Simon

Starsunsky wrote:
It intrigues me that you said such thing after you sold something. It sounds that you are mocking at the buyer. umm....

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

clearclaw — 2007-05-27T18:01:50+00:00

Zopper-Alf wrote:
I have never played it and neved really had the intention to do so. For 20 Euros you can get a whole new game - don't tell me that a four piece expansions is worth that much...

20 Euros is on the high side of what I'm be willing to pay for it, but yeah, I'm willing to pay E20 for this expansion. Happily I already own two copies. Yeah, that's about the cost of a game. Shrug. I'm not worried about one more game or less. Petty cash.

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Starsunsky — 2007-05-27T15:00:42+00:00

It intrigues me that you said such thing after you sold something. It sounds that you are mocking at the buyer. umm....

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Zopper-Alf — 2007-05-27T11:03:24+00:00

Nope, that's not true - this expansions is OOP..
Still too much in my opinion

Thread: Re: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Tsaar — 2007-05-27T11:01:30+00:00

Stupid buyer, it's still available at Spielbox for 5 euros.

Thread: Cmon - this expansion can't be worth THAT much...

Zopper-Alf — 2007-05-27T09:49:25+00:00

I just sold this expansion for 20€ (26$!).
I have no clue what is going on with people paying so much for it..

This is ~~SPARTA~~ MADNESS!

I have never played it and neved really had the intention to do so. For 20 Euros you can get a whole new game - don't tell me that a four piece expansions is worth that much...
Doh, I am shocked (but on the other hand - nice to have some cash )

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Urtur — 2007-05-22T21:51:09+00:00

A besieged town and a happy peasant.

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

Anarchosyn — 2007-05-09T04:15:21+00:00

riogames wrote:
The owners of Spielbox have recently told me that I cannot print and distribute the Cathar expansion as they own all rights to it and want to continue selling it as part of the Almanac. They are concerned that making it available elsewhere will diminish its exclusive value to their customers. In conversations earlier this year with Spielbox, I had understood I would have access to all their expansions 6 - 12 months after they were published. They recently corrected my understanding to exclude Cathar, but include all other past or future expansions included in SPielbox. I apologize for promising something I cannot offer. I will be looking for other things to offer, but it cannot be Cathar. Thanks for your understanding.

Jay

Thank god!

I would have personally strangled the blokes behind Games Quarterly if they chose to close shop on the month in which this was due to be released.

Thankfully now it appears it wouldn't have been released anyhow.

No disrespect intended to Games Quarterly, but the single issue I read was pretty worthless aside from the Catan expansion included.

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

Hisst Ka — 2007-05-02T07:30:09+00:00

So Jay,

Will you consider Knucklebones for future expansions?

Thread: Re: Removal of meeple on a double turn (thanks to the builder)

ColtsFan76 — 2007-04-18T12:02:42+00:00

I'd have to agree with Mik on this one. Aldaron is quick to note that the builder allows a 2nd turn (especially when someone says the builder only adds a 2nd tile). But that sometimes leads to confusion as really, it is only the "turn" itself that is double up. As Mik said, anything that happens "after" a turn, and for that matter "before" a turn only happen once, the just now happen "after" the 2nd turn and "before" the first only, not a second time in between turns.

So removing a meeple at the end of the turn through the cloister only happens once. Scoring the fairy on the same tile as your meeple before your turn only happens once.

The only way to remove more than 1 meeple per turn in a besiged city is this:
1) Complete the city and remove your meeples normally!
2) Place a princess tile in the besieged city and seduce your meeple as normal, then at the end of your turn, use the cloister to get another one out.

Thread: Re: Removal of meeple on a double turn (thanks to the builder)

Great Dane — 2007-04-18T09:19:04+00:00

The Builder allow you to take a second turn (but not a third).
All normal rules apply to the placement of that second tile.

As for the escape from a besieged city:
This happends at the END of a player's turn,
so only one knight may escape per turn (after you have used your builder, and after a possible score.)

Thread: Removal of meeple on a double turn (thanks to the builder)

dvader123 — 2007-04-18T08:08:54+00:00

Do you end up removing 2 meeples if you placed a tile on a feature with a builder? One at the end of your 1st turn and another at the end of the 2nd turn?

Of course, I understand that the besieged city must adjacent to a cloister.

Thanks.

Thread: Re: Die Katherer - rules and collector's item questions

ColtsFan76 — 2007-04-12T18:50:44+00:00

1. The original rules were not very clear. I take it that you can simply remove a knight from the city if the conditions are met.

2. Original rules stated it must be a knight you own. You cannot remove your opponent's knight.

3. The way I read the rules, you may remove only 1 per turn but may take as many turns to remove one knight each round until all of them can escape. There is nothing I know of that forces you to keep at least 1 knight in the city.

4. There is no restriction to the order of knights. You could remove a big one first.

5. I only have the Alamanac version. The artwork should be the exact same as the original. But what seems to happen is that the colors are slighlty off from expansion to expansion. I do not know if there was a difference between the two releases. however, my expansion is slightly different in color than the original game. The tiles are "richer" on the side with color while the tile backs are slightly washed out. However, I had the same situation with my River 2 and Count tiles as well. So it's not obvious that you are pulling just a Cathar tile and unless you study the tiles, not so obvious they are different at all.

6. Not so much rare as expensive. It is still available for purchase from Funagain.com (at least it was a few months or so ago) and you can still contact Spielbox directly to get the Almanac back issue (which is what I did). In both cases, you are paying a premium for the shipping to the US (or whereever you may live).

EDIT: While I like the Cathar expansion a lot, I mostly just like the beseiged city aspect that reduces the value of cities and increases the value of the farm. Allowing a knight to escape is good in that if you get a knight stuck in a city that can't be completed (usually for reasons not having to do with the beseiged tile), then you can get him back and and get him productive. But a besieged city can still be completed and to me is the easy way to allow a knight to escape! Finish the city, get some points, and get a meeple back. Why lose the points, even if reduced?

Thread: Die Katherer - rules and collector's item questions

dvader123 — 2007-04-12T17:09:21+00:00

First, I want to say that I read through the posts but was getting more confused. I wanted to put the answers I have for these questions in here.

1. When you have a besieged city, is removing a knight a move that can be done if you decide not to place a meeple or can you place a meeple somewhere and then remove a knight all in one turn? I read through the forums and the answered seemed mixed.

2. Can you remove someone else's knight from the besieged city or must it be your own?

3. Is it true that you can remove as many knights in your besieged city, but at least one must remain there?

4. Can you remove the big meeple first or do you have to remove the small ones first? I would probably think that this depends on the answer to Q3 because removing the small ones first will automatically leave you with the big one as the last meeple thus eliminating any chance of getting that back.

5. Is there any difference between the 2004 version of Die Katherer and the Almanac version in terms of look and artwork?

6. Since I hear that GQ won't be coming out does this make Die Katherer a rare item?

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

schmanthony — 2007-04-12T15:42:26+00:00

The dragon laying siege to the city makes sense too... I think the princess tiles work better though because they match the 4 actual Katharer tiles a little better, and also the Princess (Soldier?) icon is actually *in* the city that it affects, whereas the Dragon icon is outside the city in most of the Dragon tiles. This makes it less clear which city the Dragon is affecting.

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

Drew1365 — 2007-04-12T00:48:49+00:00

The easiest way to do a Cathars-style expansion with the P&D tiles is to choose four of the tiles that have a picture of a dragon on them as well as a city section. Assume that this tile indicates that a Dragon is attacking the city (rather than the Cathars) and score accordingly.

Tout de suite!

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

JeffyJeff — 2007-04-11T23:18:47+00:00

schmanthony wrote:
Ah, sorry, I didn't realize it was 2 separate things. But anyway... is it possible that the May 2007 (final) issue of GQ Magazine is already published and will still be available?
Jay of Rio Grande Games has posted that he was mistaken that he had permission from the German company that owns the rights to this mini-expansion to publish it... so even if GQM hadn't gone under, this expansion wouldn't have made it into the magazine.

Too bad none of the Carcassonnes or expanions come with blank tiles that can be turned into custom tiles (such as to make this one)

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

wlaznak — 2007-04-11T22:45:15+00:00

wlaznak was blissfully ignorant when he wrote:
Games Quarterly is expected to publish this expansion in May.

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

schmanthony — 2007-04-10T13:24:50+00:00

I wrote FunAgainGames.com about the pre-order. This is what I got back:

"... On Friday they announced they are out of business, so we have removed it from our site as available. Let me know if you have any other questions."

Looks like I might be converting those Princess tiles after all.

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

mjharper — 2007-04-10T10:54:01+00:00

I guess they'll be releasing an updated edition of the Almanac at some point, from what Jay said. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

rmartinc — 2007-04-09T14:43:56+00:00

Not according to that thread

or boardgamenews

http://www.boardgamenews.com/index.php/boardgamenews/comment...

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

schmanthony — 2007-04-09T14:32:03+00:00

Ah, sorry, I didn't realize it was 2 separate things. But anyway... is it possible that the May 2007 (final) issue of GQ Magazine is already published and will still be available?

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

rmartinc — 2007-04-09T14:20:22+00:00

Read it again. The GQ Catalog has new ownership, but GQ Magazine has ceased

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

schmanthony — 2007-04-09T14:10:06+00:00

The thread you linked says the magazine is under new ownership, but it doesn't say anything about the carcassonne tiles not being included or that the magazine itself is "belly up." Do you have a link to more information somewhere - specifically about the carcassonne expansion in this issue?

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

apotheos — 2007-04-09T03:19:12+00:00

riogames wrote:
The owners of Spielbox have recently told me that I cannot print and distribute the Cathar expansion as they own all rights to it and want to continue selling it as part of the Almanac. They are concerned that making it available elsewhere will diminish its exclusive value to their customers. In conversations earlier this year with Spielbox, I had understood I would have access to all their expansions 6 - 12 months after they were published. They recently corrected my understanding to exclude Cathar, but include all other past or future expansions included in SPielbox. I apologize for promising something I cannot offer. I will be looking for other things to offer, but it cannot be Cathar. Thanks for your understanding.

Jay

Much love to Jay for the clarification. <3 <3 <3

However, I thought the Spielbox issue with that expansion was long sold out?

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

riogames — 2007-04-08T16:05:31+00:00

The owners of Spielbox have recently told me that I cannot print and distribute the Cathar expansion as they own all rights to it and want to continue selling it as part of the Almanac. They are concerned that making it available elsewhere will diminish its exclusive value to their customers. In conversations earlier this year with Spielbox, I had understood I would have access to all their expansions 6 - 12 months after they were published. They recently corrected my understanding to exclude Cathar, but include all other past or future expansions included in SPielbox. I apologize for promising something I cannot offer. I will be looking for other things to offer, but it cannot be Cathar. Thanks for your understanding.

Jay

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

JeffyJeff — 2007-04-08T04:08:03+00:00

shoptroll wrote:
Tell me that's a late April Fool's joke. Their website says nothing about shutting down.
See http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/160388

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

shoptroll — 2007-04-08T03:49:51+00:00

Tell me that's a late April Fool's joke. Their website says nothing about shutting down.

Thread: Re: Carcassonne - The Carthars in Games Quarterly

apotheos — 2007-04-08T01:48:29+00:00

In case someone stumbles on this thread later, Games Quarterly has ceased publication and thus will not be releasing an issue with Die Katharer included.

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

ColtsFan76 — 2007-04-07T14:13:33+00:00

schmanthony wrote:
Thanks for the tip. I see you can already pre-order it from FunAgainGames.com
Unfortunatley, looks like GQM is going belly up. No Cathar tiles will be available:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/160388

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

EasyPickens — 2007-04-05T14:52:35+00:00

schmanthony wrote:
My wife and I are Carcassonne fiends and we don't like Carcassonne - The Princess & the Dragon. It's mainly the tedious tracking required for remembering the fairy point and remembering where the dragon has moved on its previous 5 turns that interferes with our enjoyment of the game. ...
You only need to remember where the dragon has moved for the current turn - not previous ones.

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

schmanthony — 2007-04-04T19:11:36+00:00

Thanks for the tip. I see you can already pre-order it from FunAgainGames.com

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

wlaznak — 2007-04-04T19:10:04+00:00

I like the idea, however...
Games Quarterly is expected to publish this expansion in May.

.w.

Thread: Re: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer..

EvilTimmy — 2007-04-04T18:46:28+00:00

Please post a pic of your finished handiwork if you end up doing it. Or if anyone 'out there' does it.

Thread: Don't like Princess/Dragon? Convert it to Die Katharer...

schmanthony — 2007-04-04T18:33:12+00:00

My wife and I are Carcassonne fiends and we don't like Carcassonne - The Princess & the Dragon. It's mainly the tedious tracking required for remembering the fairy point and remembering where the dragon has moved on its previous 5 turns that interferes with our enjoyment of the game. We play the RGG Big Box with the other 3 expansions and The River.

I'm interested in trying Die Katharer, but not willing to pay $25 USD for 4 tiles. So, I'm seriously considering converting 4 of the Princess tiles into Die Katherer tiles. They'd just have a little princess-in-a-castle (or is it a soldier?) icon in the city segments instead of the praying monk. Seems just as appropriate to me.

Here are the Princess tiles we have to work with:
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/67888

The 2 with the city on 2 edges are already made for you. The other 2 with only 1 city edge require modification. There is 1 Princess tile with 1 city edge - and 3 road edges. A green paint pen might erase the roads pretty well, or just one road segment for one of the Katharer tiles. A white paint pen could join the remaining road segments. A black ball point pen could add the road borders.

The last tile will be the trickiest, as there are no remaining 1-city-edge Princess tiles. There is one with 2 city segments, and an oval shaped field in the middle. The green paint pen could erase the undesired city areas, then maybe the border of the remaining city segment could be added some kind of way. Perhaps a green felt tip could add the speckled look to the new field areas.

I just wanted to share this idea, and see what others think.

Thread: Re: Two Tile Beseiged Cities

dvader123 — 2007-03-29T14:32:49+00:00

wait a minute. I just started a thread about this and I was told that a besieged 2-tile or small city is 0 points using the 1st edition rules.

The reason is that a besieged city reduced the value of the tile by -1. According to the 1st edition rules for small 2-tile cities, each tile is scored 1 point. That's why it would normally score a total of 2, but if it is besieged then it scores 0 because each tile is essentially reduced to nothing.

On logic is the same for larger cities, a simple 3-tile city would be worth 6 points because each tile is worth 2 points each. But if it is besieged then each tile's worth is reduced to 1 point each and that's why a 3-tile besieged city is worth a total of 3 points.

If there's a pennant that would also be reduced -1.

If a city has a catherdral and is besieged then each tile is worth 2 points + 1 point for the catherdral -1 point for being besieged. This sums to each tile being worth 2 points (the catherdral and cathars zero each other out). In the end, that city would be worth 6 points total.

Is that how it would go? That's how I understand it after hours of reading the rulebook and getting info from the members here.

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Thommy8 — 2006-07-24T05:55:09+00:00

Yellow puts the city under siege in order to block blue from getting in!

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Thommy8 — 2006-02-24T20:05:25+00:00

I drew all four Katharer tiles and still lost by 20!

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Aldaron — 2006-02-10T20:48:55+00:00

Tile Distribution

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Thommy8 — 2005-12-30T22:43:19+00:00

Carcassonne Die Katharer - Tiles

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Thommy8 — 2005-12-30T22:43:19+00:00

Carcassonne Die Katharer - Spielbox Inside

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Thommy8 — 2005-12-30T22:43:19+00:00

Carcassonne Die Katharer - Spielbox Cover

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maulei — 2005-06-25T17:15:24+00:00

Die Katharer *High Resolution*

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Graek — 2005-01-30T15:30:58+00:00

Playing with Katharer...Perhaps yellow should escape via the cloister...