Game: Wings of War - Burning Drachens

Thread: Re: WoW:BD as a solo game

feldmafx — 2008-08-18T19:48:52+00:00

Thanks for the replies, everyone! I tried Ace of Aces - Powerhouse Series over the past week on vacation, and my boy was frustrated because he had a hard time scoring points on me. I don't think he has a feel for that game, which can be difficult because of the cockpit view.

And, of course AoA:PS is not a solo game.

I will definitely look to get WoW:BD to play soon.

Frank

Thread: Re: WoW:BD as a solo game

matthewjhoskins — 2008-08-16T02:03:27+00:00

feldmafx wrote:
With only three recommendations on the number of players, I thought I would just ask if many people had played this (or Wings of War - Fire from the Sky) as solo games and if they worked well as such.

My main wargaming partner will be my son as time goes on, but at 10yo he doesn't quite have the patience for the bookkeeping and long turn sequences of most wargames yet.

Tanks,
Frank

Burning Drachens is good solo. (thanks for the link to Fire from the Sky - just added that to my wantlist)

The solo scenarios are planes vs. ground emplacements. I've enjoyed it each time. The game is better, as most are, with a real live opponent. However, I picked up BD with the intention of only playing solo. My wife will play most any game with me, but she found WoW: Famous Ace's game's movement mechanism too imprecise ( that's what I get for marrying an engineer I suppose )

I really like the subject matter and the game design and graphics. BD is cool because it adds blimps amd enhanced elevation rules. It is a very nice game.

There isn't a lot of bookkeeping. Each player tracks damage to their craft on a playsheet. There are some continuous effects that may occur ( smoke, jamming, fire ) that require some tracking. Players will also have to occasionally track the type of manuever their plane last performed. There are handy tokens for all these things. This may/may not be too much for your son.

I'd heartily reccomend this game. It is eye-catching. Perhaps your son will see you having fun playing a solo game and be intrigued enough to try it.

Thread: Re: WoW:BD as a solo game

higginbottomm — 2008-08-12T10:23:17+00:00

I play this with my 8yo daughter. She thinks it is great fun. There is very little down time or book keeping. The game moves along a fast pace and is very simple in concept (leave out the altitude rule though).

It can get a little stalemated on a 1 on 1 plane dogfight.

Other than that she cant wait to play it.

Give it a try with your son. im sure he will love it.

Thread: Re: WoW:BD as a solo game

spaztian — 2008-08-11T13:30:48+00:00

I play this as a solo game every now and then.

I love it..

There are some solo scenarios where you have to take out some ground forces or a balloon, and you are opposed by AA, flak, and soldiers in the trenches. These are great fun, and quite hard.

Now playing with two sides of planes in the air is a little difficult. I usually plan one side's plane, then the other side's, and on the next turn, I switch (AB, BA, etc). It isn't as ideal as playing a real person where you don't know what they are actually going to do, but I find it to still be fun.

And 10 years old? WoW is GREAT for this age IMO. There is little to NO record keeping, and the turns are quick, quick, quick. I could totally see little ones having fun with it.

'course, depends on the maturity of the children as well...

You could learn it solo, have fun, and if he looks interested, give him one plane to operate. Teach him how to play, then if he takes to it, add more planes and you will have your ideal gaming partner!! OH, and don't add any of the optional rules until you/he have gotten the basic "fly around and shoot" mechanism. Honestly, the optional advanced rules add SOME realism, A LOT of time, and not as much fun to a game.

Good Luck!

Thread: WoW:BD as a solo game

feldmafx — 2008-08-11T13:01:15+00:00

With only three recommendations on the number of players, I thought I would just ask if many people had played this (or Wings of War - Fire from the Sky) as solo games and if they worked well as such.

My main wargaming partner will be my son as time goes on, but at 10yo he doesn't quite have the patience for the bookkeeping and long turn sequences of most wargames yet.

Tanks,
Frank

Thread: Re: Extra climb and dive cards?

angiolillo — 2008-08-02T03:10:58+00:00

Sorry for that. Updated cards will be with the miniatures, this autumn.

Thread: Re: Extra climb and dive cards?

Low Flying Tiger — 2008-08-01T20:24:22+00:00

Thanks, This one had me confused too! Will there be a way to get just the updated cards that have changed in DOW? I bought two sets to play multiple A & B planes at the same time, but they are both the early sets(before the new version,or the boosters came out) so my Wildcat etc cards are all now wrong. Will updated cards be included in FIRE FROM THE SKY set? I hope there is a way without buying yet another copy of the same set.
Thanks again

Thread: Tailing ..

zogthedoomed — 2008-07-22T14:55:45+00:00

I was just about to introduce tailing with my son when I noticed that you only check for tailing on the first card of a turn. I understand the neccesity with there only being 3 cards in your hand at any one time. But has anyone come up with any way of offering tailing on every card? Maybe picking a random couple of cards from your deck or something.

Thread: Re: Why are balloons useful?

angiolillo — 2008-07-15T12:10:31+00:00

Here you have the barrage picture:

Even if it says they are Caquot, not Avorio Prassone:
http://www.sabix.org/bulletin/b28/4.html

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

Tolchock — 2008-07-14T21:28:59+00:00

thanks Andrea! =)

I have a question, I thought I posted it here somewhere but cant find it...

I wonder when yoy have played a climbing card you vant climb directly after that again?
I mean if you can use a step card and say that you climb again, like overdive?
Couse if not, it would take very long time to climb to new altitudes, if you only can climb one every time you plane your movement.
The plane with climbing rate 4 or so would have a pretty hard time...

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

cfarrell — 2008-07-14T21:09:43+00:00

Tolchock wrote:
themaddoctor wrote:
There are altitude rules?
yes they come in the Burning drachens expansion.

Edit: I yust came home from my boardgame store, I bought 2 minis, my first 2 minis.
And what concerns me is that they both only have 4 altitude markers to set them on, theis to plane does have a top altitude on 13 what I have read in the BD rulebook, so have will I do now when Im going to use them while playing?

I've used the minis quite a bit and have never needed more than 4 altitude markers for a plane. Aircraft tend to go down rather than up, so the altitude ceilings seem more theoretical than anything.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

angiolillo — 2008-07-14T21:07:06+00:00

If you read the "Miniatures" rules you see an alternative altuitude ruleset with a "ceiling" and a "floor" for each scenario, so that planes don't scatter far away in height from each other:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/wingsofwarsupport.html

And then the 4 stands are enough...

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

Tolchock — 2008-07-14T12:14:24+00:00

themaddoctor wrote:
There are altitude rules?
yes they come in the Burning drachens expansion.

Edit: I yust came home from my boardgame store, I bought 2 minis, my first 2 minis.
And what concerns me is that they both only have 4 altitude markers to set them on, theis to plane does have a top altitude on 13 what I have read in the BD rulebook, so have will I do now when Im going to use them while playing?

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

Eldard — 2008-07-14T11:57:08+00:00

Jason L Blair wrote:
I'm curious as to how many folks here use the altitude rules in their games. Do you? Every time? If you don't, why not?

Yes, we use them everytime.

The rules aren't hard, and require very little book keeping. As a player aid, I made a simple tracking system. Each aircraft has a track corresponding to the color of its player aid board, and two tokens are placed for each aircraft. One records level, the other records altitude in thousands of feet.

This way, aircraft with quick climbing rates have a chance against two-seaters by diving at them to shoot and quickly recovering altitude.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

themaddoctor — 2008-07-14T11:36:20+00:00

There are altitude rules?

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

Tolchock — 2008-07-14T11:08:18+00:00

kduke wrote:
Count another "no," unless ground attack is involved. Climbing, in particular, is a painful process.
I havent start useing the climbing rile but i have read it.
And this is what I could imagine. That it will take "years" to climb.

One thing I wonder about a altitude and minis, do they have enough altitude pieces to reache their maximum altitude, when I have seen picture on them I havent seen any that have all the way up to 14 or whaterver their top altitude is...

And one think I wonder about the climbing rule. Can you do a climb after climb and then climb again? Or do you need to do some other move between the climbing moves?

Thread: Re: Extra climb and dive cards?

zogthedoomed — 2008-07-12T10:42:54+00:00

Ah. I thought I was missing something. Thats cool. Thanks Andrea.

Thread: Re: Extra climb and dive cards?

angiolillo — 2008-07-11T03:47:18+00:00

FA and WYB! came out with no altitude rules (nor altitude cards, of course). The rules have been intriduced in BD. So we put in BD all the cards for the previuos decks: with the cards in BD you can then also fly all the planes in a box of FA and in a box of WYB!. Boosters and airplane packs came later, so their maneuvre decks are complete with altitude cards.

Thread: Re: Extra climb and dive cards?

dogmatix — 2008-07-11T00:33:20+00:00

I presume it's to allow multiple people to fly the same type of plane...

Thread: Extra climb and dive cards?

zogthedoomed — 2008-07-10T21:32:28+00:00

I've got BD and the two blister expansions and I seem to have a bunch of extra dive and climb cards, 2 each of maneuver decks A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H.

Are they here for a reason that I've not found in the rules or just extras for the sake of it?

Patrick

Thread: Re: Why are balloons useful?

knickpoint — 2008-06-29T19:15:40+00:00

Great!!!

Thanks so much for the answers everyone, and the history. I guess the answer is right on the front of the box!

Thread: Re: Why are balloons useful?

angiolillo — 2008-06-29T07:20:17+00:00

Actually the main scope was observation. Anyway they were used also to raise nets and cables as an obstacle for low altitude planes, to defend ground target: in October 1916 Italy founded the 1a Sezione Aerostatica Speciale to defend Venice with rows of balloons doing that moved on rafts to be able to get in different parts of the town. Other Italian target in other parts of the nation were difended in the same way. British and German did the same:
http://www.bbrclub.org/development_of_balloon_command.htm
In Venice even explosive obstacles with balloons and mines have been experimented.

The tecnique of barrage balloons was more estensively used in WWII: think to the typical image of London skies... Well, they started in London duering WWI using Italian Avorio Prassone balloons.
The typical WWII Britis Balloon, by the way, is a developement of the Avorio Parssone, that was judged "the most efficioent of the war" (see the essay opening the "Janes' Finghing Airctaft of World War One" book were a picture of a balloon apron is published).

Thread: Re: Why are balloons useful?

ArsLoqui — 2008-06-29T00:07:23+00:00

I don't have my copy of BD with me, but I recall reading a scenario wherein razor wires are strung between two balloons, preventing plane passage. That's all I can think of...

Thread: Re: Why are balloons useful?

Chris__M — 2008-06-28T23:27:48+00:00

From my memory of Burning Drachens, it is not that balloons give any advantage in the air battle; it is that they are what the battle is all about.

The side that owns the ballons must defend them, the other side must attack them; furthermore they must try to destroy them before the balloons are lowered to the ground and made safe.

Thread: Why are balloons useful?

knickpoint — 2008-06-28T22:50:18+00:00

I am really sorry if this is stated elsewhere or written clearly in the rules, but I can't find an answer. I realize the balloons were important for observational purposes during the war, but how does that translate in the game. Are they helpful in simple dogfights?

Very sorry again for asking something that is probably obvious and apprecaite any help.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

cfarrell — 2008-06-20T22:40:00+00:00

Another reason I like the altitude rules in the WWII incarnation is because that game has tailing rules more favorable to the one doing the tailing. So if you're in an advantaged position you don't have to just guess so much as to whether your target is going to dive or not, you can follow him. I think this makes the whole situation more interesting. In a leading/trailing situation, the follower has a little more advantage, but the target has a few more options to get away.

In general, I find the ground attack scenarios more interesting than the dogfights for multiplayer games, so I like to use the altitude rules when we can. But I'd agree that in straight-up dogfights, the complexity can usually be ditched.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

kduke — 2008-06-18T20:30:16+00:00

Count another "no," unless ground attack is involved. Climbing, in particular, is a painful process.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

turtleback — 2008-06-18T19:59:34+00:00

It's hard enough to line someone up in your sights without having to worry about altitute. So....no.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

angiolillo — 2008-06-18T17:45:37+00:00

In dogfights no, as I don't use most of the optional rules (usually just special damages) because I personally like to keep the game as quick and simple as possible.

In ground attack scenarios, ballon busting missions, when using AA and such yes because I think they spice up that kind of game.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

jpat — 2008-06-18T16:46:36+00:00

The answer is ... no.

Thread: Re: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

cfarrell — 2008-06-18T16:18:10+00:00

With WoW, we use the altitude rules when we use the minis, which obviously can show altitude nicely. If we're just using the cards, usually we don't bother, even in the Burning Drachens scenarios with the balloon being lowered. We just play to a clock. Altitude does make the game more interesting, though, and is another reason to like the minis.

On the other hand, I do always use altitude with WoWoWWII, even though we don't have minis.

Thread: Altitude Rules: Do you use them?

Jason L Blair — 2008-06-18T16:03:33+00:00

Hello everyone,

I'm curious as to how many folks here use the altitude rules in their games. Do you? Every time? If you don't, why not?

Thank you for you any information you can provide.

Best,

Jason L Blair

Thread: Re: Bombers

kduke — 2008-06-08T01:57:23+00:00

Here is the link to the full BGN story if you want to read it.

http://www.boardgamenews.com/index.php/boardgamenews/comment...

I'll paste in the part you are most interested, along with some other WoW news items.

Finally, there’s a ton of Wings of War items spread throughout the coming twelve months:
February—Flying Legend and Eagles of the Reich, two booster packs for the WW2 series; also, a miniatures package of WW1 airplanes
April—Immelmann and Dogfight Squadron, two booster packs to add more planes to the WW1 series
June—Fire from the Sky, a new game set for the WW2 series; also, a miniatures package of WW1 airplanes
October—Flight of the Giants, a new game set for WW1 that introduces a nunmber of bombers
December—Balloon Busters, a boxed set of WW1 miniatures that will include models for Drachen Caquot/AE800 and Nieuport 11 in two different painting schemes

Note for the record that Immelmann and Dogfight Squadron were not delivered in April, even to Italy. Latest word from Nexus is "June," which would be pretty soon.

The Feb. miniatures package made it to the US in late May.

Based on previous deliveries/schedules, I think it will be a near run thing that you can have your bombers by New Years, but it might happen.

Thread: Bombers

rumpz — 2008-06-07T21:02:15+00:00

Will there ever be bombers/three-seater planes integrated into WoW? Some of the bombers from WWI were very interesting. It would be the next step from the current recon/two-seaters... will there ever be any? Thanks for your responses!

Thread: Re: Zeppelin

rumpz — 2008-06-06T17:49:05+00:00

Thanks for your help. I will use these links with my project. Thanks to everyone who worked on the links, too.

Thread: Re: Zeppelin

ljw74us — 2008-06-06T15:09:12+00:00

Over in the "Wings of War- Famous Aces" is a discussion and link to WOW's airships rules, which are a work in progress:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/302213

Additionally, someone has posted a simple printout for a zeppelin and movement cards in the Famous Aces files area.

If you want a good model of a true WWI war zeppelin, you can buy a 1:200 (not quite to scale but close) paper model here:

http://papermodels.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=...

Be aware, that this paper model will require careful work.

Also, over in "Wings of War - Miniatures" are pictures of a scratchbuilt zeppelin and his control sheet:

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There are also scratch built observation balloons and an article on their construction there.

Thread: Zeppelin

rumpz — 2008-06-06T12:03:26+00:00

Does anyone have any idea how to integrate a zeppelin into WoW? I know that it would be pretty big, but it could be printed at Kinkos or some other printers... anyone have any thoughts on range, damage, movement or health? Please help me with this project.

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

angiolillo — 2008-06-06T02:19:28+00:00

Elstree wrote:
So could you proxy one of the other Roland minis and just ignore the front firing arc?

Exactly. The difference was that early planes (Richthofen's among them) did not have the front MG on the upper wing. So if you use a later one, ignore the front mg/the front arc and all is ok.

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

LimboLance — 2008-06-05T23:53:20+00:00

You could use the minis to play Canvas Eagles instead.....
Canvas Eagles

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

Elstree — 2008-06-05T23:21:20+00:00

jrbentley wrote:
As far as "proxying" the planes I currently own for others, do I use the stats that are printed on the mini's bases or still use the stats on the cards in play, simply using the minis for "effect"...?

You'd just use the minis for aesthetic effect. Use the stats off the various plane cards or even just one of the spreadsheets online. It really only gets tricky to proxy the minis when the firing arc of the plane is different. (This is mainly true for the planes with rear arc. For example, the De Haviland D.H. 4 and the Roland C.II have rear arcs of different width.)

capadotia wrote:
Richtofen's plane only has a rear arc. Wow, that's even more screwed up than I thought. So could you proxy one of the other Roland minis and just ignore the front firing arc?

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

capadotia — 2008-06-02T05:24:53+00:00

Richtofen's plane only has a rear arc. There is no forward gun on that one. I was confused about this also but when I got it, I could see clearly that it has only the rear gun.

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

Elstree — 2008-06-02T05:04:32+00:00

TomRybak wrote:
Just be careful with the Roland and the D.H. 4 as not all have the same damage decks and one Roland has no rear gunner (the Richthofen one).

The damage deck variants are not so critical. If you know the stats for the variants you can easily play a different "pilot" with any of the minis, provided you have the right decks.

With the Roland it could make a difference though. If the two versions with a rear gunner have the rear firing arc on the base and the Richthofen doesn't then it could be difficult to proxy the Richthofen for one of the other Rolands. It would be much easier to play the Richthofen variant with one of the other models than vice versa.

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

carthaginian — 2008-05-27T21:52:10+00:00

Avenell wrote:
Carthaginian, I would definitely get Burning Drachens instead. You have in miniature the four planes you'll get in cards with Famous Aces, so why bother?

Burning drachens will get you heaps of other nifty stuff (not to mention more planes, albiet card planes) and you wont be lacking anything serious.

Thanks, Josh! That's what I'll do.

Karim

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Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

Avenell — 2008-05-27T21:27:20+00:00

Dammit Elstree is right, I did mean a B-firing deck.

Carthaginian, I would definitely get Burning Drachens instead. You have in miniature the four planes you'll get in cards with Famous Aces, so why bother?

Burning drachens will get you heaps of other nifty stuff (not to mention more planes, albiet card planes) and you wont be lacking anything serious.

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

carthaginian — 2008-05-27T14:00:10+00:00

Elstree wrote:

He wrote "A-firing deck" but he means the "B-firing deck". The B-deck is the one in Watch Your Back. Here's the break-down:

Famous Aces:
Damage Deck: A
Maneuver Decks: A, B, C, D

Watch Your Back!
Damage Deck: B
Maneuver Decks: E, F, G, H

Burning Drachens
Damage Decks: A, C, D
Maneuver Decks: I, J

Sorry for hijacking the thread somehow, but I have an order that is waiting to be shipped of WoW Deluxe and Famous aces, and reading this I wonder If I'm not making a mistake. Should I drop Famous Aces from the order and replace it with burning drachens?

edit : deluxe contains those planes :
Fokker DR. I
Spad XIII
Sopwith Camel
Albatros D.Va

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

TomRybak — 2008-05-27T13:57:35+00:00

Series 1 was the first "batch" of minis to be released for WoW. Series 2 was the second "batch". So mostly it refers to the time sequence of release.

Each series had four different plane types each with 3 different paint schemes (a total of 12 planes).

Series 1 had the Spad XIII, the Sopwith Camel, the Albatross D.Va, and the Fokker Dr.I (triplane).

Series 2 had the Fokker D.VII, the Sopwith Snipe, the LFG Roland C.II and the D.H. 4. Just be careful with the Roland and the D.H. 4 as not all have the same damage decks and one Roland has no rear gunner (the Richthofen one).

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

jrbentley — 2008-05-27T13:38:51+00:00

Elstree wrote:
Avenell wrote:
Why WYB? Because the only thing you are lacking now is an A-firing deck for single machinegun planes, and buying WYB is the only way to get it. Dont feel too gipped about not getting it in Burning Drachens, there are rules to figure out ways around it, but WYB will give you the A-damage deck you need plus introduce Two-seater planes to your game.

He wrote "A-firing deck" but he means the "B-firing deck". The B-deck is the one in Watch Your Back. Here's the break-down:

Famous Aces:
Damage Deck: A
Maneuver Decks: A, B, C, D

Watch Your Back!
Damage Deck: B
Maneuver Decks: E, F, G, H

Burning Drachens
Damage Decks: A, C, D
Maneuver Decks: I, J

So, you already have Damage Deck A from Burning Drachens. If you buy the four recommended Series I miniatures and a copy of Watch Your Back, you'll have all four damage decks and maneuver decks A through J. The card decks are what you really need to play; after that you can pretty much proxy your four minis for any of the planes you want to play.

Thank you for your help!

I did get the 4 minis as I said, along with Burning Drachens. And I definitely plan on getting Watch Your Back.

If I want to continue to collect the minis, which ones should I get next to use them with Watch Your Back? Will they be "compatible" with what I already have? If I only buy about 2 at a time, which ones are "priority"?

As far as "proxying" the planes I currently own for others, do I use the stats that are printed on the mini's bases or still use the stats on the cards in play, simply using the minis for "effect"...?

BTW, what is the difference between the Series 1 minis and the Series 2 minis?

Thanks, I very much appreciate your help.
jrbentley

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

Elstree — 2008-05-27T00:40:23+00:00

Avenell wrote:
Why WYB? Because the only thing you are lacking now is an A-firing deck for single machinegun planes, and buying WYB is the only way to get it. Dont feel too gipped about not getting it in Burning Drachens, there are rules to figure out ways around it, but WYB will give you the A-damage deck you need plus introduce Two-seater planes to your game.

He wrote "A-firing deck" but he means the "B-firing deck". The B-deck is the one in Watch Your Back. Here's the break-down:

Famous Aces:
Damage Deck: A
Maneuver Decks: A, B, C, D

Watch Your Back!
Damage Deck: B
Maneuver Decks: E, F, G, H

Burning Drachens
Damage Decks: A, C, D
Maneuver Decks: I, J

So, you already have Damage Deck A from Burning Drachens. If you buy the four recommended Series I miniatures and a copy of Watch Your Back, you'll have all four damage decks and maneuver decks A through J. The card decks are what you really need to play; after that you can pretty much proxy your four minis for any of the planes you want to play.

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

jrbentley — 2008-05-25T19:17:18+00:00

Avenell wrote:
Hello Mr Bentley, I just bought Burning Drachens and two mini's, so perhaps I can clear up your confusion.

Burning Drachens is for playing with 2 people. It provides you with two control boards (NOT essential to playing, but nice to have), two maneuver decks (so you can fly two planes), an A-damage deck (so you can fly up to four twin firing planes), a ton of balloons and AA guns etc, and no mini's.

With just burning drachens, you can only fly two planes (just cards) because you only have two maneuver decks.

However, getting a mini gets you a nifty looking miniature plane, a plane card to go with it, and the maneuver deck you need to fly that plane. If you have the damage deck to go with it (which you do, the A-damage deck), then you are fine.

So, if you bought the four mini's from Famous Aces, you now have ZERO reason to buy FA.

My advice is to start out with Burning Drachens (which you've done), and get the four mini's from Famous Aces, which it looks like you plan to do. Then play that and see how much you like the game. If you love it, your friends love it and you want more, then it's time to get Watch Your Back! (WYB).

Why WYB? Because the only thing you are lacking now is an A-firing deck for single machinegun planes, and buying WYB is the only way to get it. Dont feel too gipped about not getting it in Burning Drachens, there are rules to figure out ways around it, but WYB will give you the A-damage deck you need plus introduce Two-seater planes to your game.

From that point forward, you'll understand enough from looking at all the other mini's and expansions to understand what you need and how to get it.

Enjoy

If I get the 4 minis I mentioned, will that suffice for Burning Drachens (including solo play) PLUS work for a 3-4 player expansion, whichever one would work with those mentioned?

YES! In fact, Burning Drachens + 4 mini's will let you play easily with 3-4 people without requiring anything else.

Thanks, Josh, I really, really appreciate your input. This has cleared up a lot for me.
I did indeed get those 4 minis mentioned...I'm hopefully going to get to play this weekend (holiday - Memorial Day! Yayyyyy!)

Thanks,
jrbentley

Thread: Re: Just bought Burning Drachens...need help with minis please.

Avenell — 2008-05-25T08:52:42+00:00

Hello Mr Bentley, I just bought Burning Drachens and two mini's, so perhaps I can clear up your confusion.

Burning Drachens is for playing with 2 people. It provides you with two control boards (NOT essential to playing, but nice to have), two maneuver decks (so you can fly two planes), an A-damage deck (so you can fly up to four twin firing planes), a ton of balloons and AA guns etc, and no mini's.

With just burning drachens, you can only fly two planes (just cards) because you only have two maneuver decks.

However, getting a mini gets you a nifty looking miniature plane, a plane card to go with it, and the maneuver deck you need to fly that plane. If you have the damage deck to go with it (which you do, the A-damage deck), then you are fine.

So, if you bought the four mini's from Famous Aces, you now have ZERO reason to buy FA.

My advice is to start out with Burning Drachens (which you've done), and get the four mini's from Famous Aces, which it looks like you plan to do. Then play that and see how much you like the game. If you love it, your friends love it and you want more, then it's time to get Watch Your Back! (WYB).

Why WYB? Because the only thing you are lacking now is an A-firing deck for single machinegun planes, and buying WYB is the only way to get it. Dont feel too gipped about not getting it in Burning Drachens, there are rules to figure out ways around it, but WYB will give you the A-damage deck you need plus introduce Two-seater planes to your game.

From that point forward, you'll understand enough from looking at all the other mini's and expansions to understand what you need and how to get it.

Enjoy

If I get the 4 minis I mentioned, will that suffice for Burning Drachens (including solo play) PLUS work for a 3-4 player expansion, whichever one would work with those mentioned?

YES! In fact, Burning Drachens + 4 mini's will let you play easily with 3-4 people without requiring anything else.

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