Game: Steel Driver

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

petegrey — 2008-11-19T20:53:03+00:00

Verkisto wrote:
I pre-ordered it back when Warfrog first started accepting pre-orders, and got mine today. Since I ordered it with slow-boat shipping, I wasn't expecting it until 2009, so I am very happy to have it in my hands.

How did it arrive?

Thread: Re: bidding 1 pointless?

Steve Cox — 2008-11-19T14:08:55+00:00

Surely they're obvious?
If it's the last round, you might want to take control of the company to make sure that it doesn't steal a block that is much more valuable to one of your other companies.
Or you might want to stop someone else doing that.
Or you might want to steal a block from someone else.
Oh - that's 3...

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Verkisto — 2008-11-17T19:57:04+00:00

I pre-ordered it back when Warfrog first started accepting pre-orders, and got mine today. Since I ordered it with slow-boat shipping, I wasn't expecting it until 2009, so I am very happy to have it in my hands.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Banin — 2008-11-17T02:41:24+00:00

managed to play it today
me, one kinda-gamer and two non-gamers, everybody liked it, specially me
really nice, got to play some more
(=

still waiting for AFT

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

matthew.marquand — 2008-11-17T01:47:07+00:00

Got to play last night with a group of six. I liked the game well enough but the end game's cube grab seemed a little strange. It seemed like the cubes should be awarded based on some feature of the game like majority of connections to the city or some such thing.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

ropearoni4 — 2008-11-17T00:52:45+00:00

still waiting....
Played Duck Dealer and Le Havre as promised. :P

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Pierre Le Bear — 2008-11-16T23:11:02+00:00

Just received mine. Received ATF last week.
Cheers
PLB.

Thread: Re: Phase 6 investment cubes question.

Koert — 2008-11-15T18:06:32+00:00

(b) Return them to the general supply to be distributed on the board.

Thread: Re: Phase 6 investment cubes question.

Johan — 2008-11-15T16:41:41+00:00

badrobot wrote:
What happens to any investment cubes you have left over in the sixth phase?

I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but IIRC there is something in there about discarding them as they aren't worth anything at the end of the game.

badrobot wrote:

(a) keep them, as in previous rounds, and thus go towards your goods pile?

Well, I don't think there is a concept of 'your goods pile' (unless I've misunderstood the rules) - you collect the goods cubes for the different companies rather than for yourself, calculate the income level for each company based on the cubes, then everyone with shares in the companies gets a payout at the end.

Thread: Phase 6 investment cubes question.

badrobot — 2008-11-15T15:30:34+00:00

What happens to any investment cubes you have left over in the sixth phase?
Do you:
(a) keep them, as in previous rounds, and thus go towards your goods pile?
or
(b) Return them to the general supply to be distributed on the board?

Thoughts.

Thread: Re: bidding 1 pointless?

Chrisboote — 2008-11-14T06:51:44+00:00

RDewsbery wrote:
I've seen at least two other uses for a 1-bid on a company that is otherwise unwanted (because it's blocked in, usually). I'll let other people try and work out what they were.
OK Mr Clever, go on then, tell us

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Rastak — 2008-11-14T00:50:45+00:00

jglasson wrote:
Rastak wrote:
Bordgamer wrote:
IF I DON'T GET MY COPY BY STEEL DRIVER BEFORE THE WEEKEND I'LL. . . um, play something else.

I been watching the porch for my copy. If I don't get my copy this weekend I'll play Le Havre and Snow Tails which shipped from funagain on Nov 12 and are scheduled for Nov 15 delivery!

I've got Le Havre and Cavum showing up tomottow too.

I thought about Space Alert and Cavum long and hard but ended up picking Snow Tails...to go with LE HAVRE! Looking forward to another Uwe masterpiece.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

jglasson — 2008-11-14T00:48:18+00:00

Rastak wrote:
Bordgamer wrote:
IF I DON'T GET MY COPY BY STEEL DRIVER BEFORE THE WEEKEND I'LL. . . um, play something else.

I been watching the porch for my copy. If I don't get my copy this weekend I'll play Le Havre and Snow Tails which shipped from funagain on Nov 12 and are scheduled for Nov 15 delivery!

I've got Le Havre and Cavum showing up tomottow too.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Rastak — 2008-11-14T00:29:12+00:00

Bordgamer wrote:
IF I DON'T GET MY COPY BY STEEL DRIVER BEFORE THE WEEKEND I'LL. . . um, play something else.

I been watching the porch for my copy. If I don't get my copy this weekend I'll play Le Havre and Snow Tails which shipped from funagain on Nov 12 and are scheduled for Nov 15 delivery!

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

ropearoni4 — 2008-11-14T00:21:43+00:00

Bordgamer wrote:
IF I DON'T GET MY COPY BY STEEL DRIVER BEFORE THE WEEKEND I'LL. . . um, play something else.

Ditto.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Bordgamer — 2008-11-13T15:59:09+00:00

IF I DON'T GET MY COPY BY STEEL DRIVER BEFORE THE WEEKEND I'LL. . . um, play something else.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

RDewsbery — 2008-11-13T08:21:12+00:00

The biggest bottleneck in the shipping process is that there's only one Martin, and he has to take the games down to his local Post Office for posting. He can only carry so many in one go.

And Hammy's right - the games that were at Essen went from nos. 501 to 1500, and the first 500 were delivered to Martin in Manchester for pre-orders and subscribers.

Those that were at Essen on Wednesday might have sen a production line - initially staffed by Danes, and then by Warfrog assistants when the Danes became overworked - that for about 3 hours were unpacking games, handing them to Martin for signing, then repacking the games.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

flabber23 — 2008-11-13T07:54:25+00:00

I got Steel Driver today (actually yesterday). I also subscribed. It was post marked on the third of Nov, and it arrived on the 12th. I think perhaps since economies are slow, there is less shipping going on around the world in general, so those things that are being shipped are able to get through quicker than normal? Just a guess. But I am happy I didn't have to wait 8 weeks. It was funny, my wife and I were out to dinner when I told her about how some people had to wait for Tinners' Trail until 8 weeks after they ordered it. I told her that it was kinda sad that Funagain.com was selling the games I had ordered(After the Flood, SD) and if I was to order from them I'd prolly get their copies a month or two before my original ordered copies. And wouldn't you know it? When we got home that very night, sitting on my doorstep was a package. Inside? Steel Driver! That was pretty funny to us, and I did a little happy dance I must admit.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

GeoMan — 2008-11-13T01:34:54+00:00

Hedric3248 wrote:
Pre-ordered Steel Driver and After the Flood.... Got Steel Driver today number 331. Hopefully after the flood will arrive in the next few days.

Both arrived here two days ago.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Hedric3248 — 2008-11-12T23:40:17+00:00

Pre-ordered Steel Driver and After the Flood.... Got Steel Driver today number 331. Hopefully after the flood will arrive in the next few days.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

sethwinslow — 2008-11-12T23:29:04+00:00

Still waiting for mine as well. In this case, misery does not love company!

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Banin — 2008-11-12T21:16:44+00:00

well, i had my games to be mailed to a friend's house instead of mine, and he just told me one of them arrived
dont know each one
holy cow, it took less than two weeks!
thats great (=

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

ropearoni4 — 2008-11-12T18:46:36+00:00

still nothing here. I must be the furthest from any hub, or my postman has a shiny new game to play over the holidays.

Oh well, Duck Dealer and Le Havre will hold me over till it arrives.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

matthew.marquand — 2008-11-12T12:19:54+00:00

andyl wrote:
matthew.marquand wrote:
Okay. I'm confused. I ordered and received Tinners' Trail back in August and it took 8 weeks to arrive. Then, just a couple of days ago, Steel Driver shows up on my doorstep. Copy #60. So...what's this "subscription" thing people are talking about. I don't understand why I received a copy of SD. I'm happy that I did but why did I get it? I thought it was from my BGG Chit Chat Secret Santa...but maybe not.

Can someone clarify?

Thanks.

Well the subscription thing was to buy SD, AtF and Waterloo with a single payment and Martin would ship them out when they were available. If you didn't choose to subscribe you could still preorder games individually.

If you didn't pay for the subscription or preorder SD then I would guess that Martin may have made a mistake in sending a game out to you OR you have a mystery benefactor. If I was you, I would email Martin and ask.

When I posted above I had sent Martin an email and wouldn't you know it, he had filed my request for Tinners' Trail in the wrong folder. As a side effect, it looked like I was one of the subscribers. As a result, I've gotten Steel Driver and After the Flood is already on it's way (he says). He's very kindly just said keep them so...total bonus day for me I guess.

Awesome stuff Martin and holy cow do I look forward to playing these.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

andyl — 2008-11-12T09:12:01+00:00

matthew.marquand wrote:
Okay. I'm confused. I ordered and received Tinners' Trail back in August and it took 8 weeks to arrive. Then, just a couple of days ago, Steel Driver shows up on my doorstep. Copy #60. So...what's this "subscription" thing people are talking about. I don't understand why I received a copy of SD. I'm happy that I did but why did I get it? I thought it was from my BGG Chit Chat Secret Santa...but maybe not.

Can someone clarify?

Thanks.

Well the subscription thing was to buy SD, AtF and Waterloo with a single payment and Martin would ship them out when they were available. If you didn't choose to subscribe you could still preorder games individually.

If you didn't pay for the subscription or preorder SD then I would guess that Martin may have made a mistake in sending a game out to you OR you have a mystery benefactor. If I was you, I would email Martin and ask.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

mcdeans — 2008-11-12T06:47:35+00:00

My AtF arrived yesterday, but no sign of SD. Just as well that I've got lots of games waiting to be played.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

matthew.marquand — 2008-11-12T02:07:13+00:00

Okay. I'm confused. I ordered and received Tinners' Trail back in August and it took 8 weeks to arrive. Then, just a couple of days ago, Steel Driver shows up on my doorstep. Copy #60. So...what's this "subscription" thing people are talking about. I don't understand why I received a copy of SD. I'm happy that I did but why did I get it? I thought it was from my BGG Chit Chat Secret Santa...but maybe not.

Can someone clarify?

Thanks.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

dcorban — 2008-11-11T14:40:46+00:00

dotburn wrote:
I just received mine today - surface mail.

But no After the Flood yet..

Well, this is good news for me. I can't imagine it would take any longer to get to Newmarket from what I assume would be the hub somewhere near Toronto.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

larryjrice — 2008-11-11T03:16:53+00:00

Yep, I received After the Flood today as well. Haven't received Steel Driver yet though.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

CortexBomb — 2008-11-11T01:42:46+00:00

Rokkr wrote:
I got Steel Driver today too. #165. No After the Flood though. I guess bundling two games is more expensive than sending them separately?

Much more. UK Post does not allow packages over 2 kilograms, going heavier than that requires a private courier.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Rokkr — 2008-11-11T01:32:53+00:00

I got Steel Driver today too. #165. No After the Flood though. I guess bundling two games is more expensive than sending them separately?

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

drabel — 2008-11-11T01:11:53+00:00

My wife called me at work to say a package had arrived.
After all the posts here I was sure Steel Driver was here.
I open the box: After the Flood.

What a surprise!

Sound like Steel Driver should be along shortly

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

potts_games — 2008-11-11T00:26:46+00:00

Just received mine today in VA. Still no ATF here either.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

TGov — 2008-11-11T00:22:15+00:00

Wow! I just received mine today!! 7 days after it was sent! Stark contrast to the 8 weeks it took Tinner's Trail to arrive! I hope ATF isn't far behind!

Thread: Re: Transcontinental Link Query

jglasson — 2008-11-11T00:14:33+00:00

The company that created the link gets $50 income. Every other company that's involved gets $30.

The rules are pretty clear how to figure this out. First you need to trace a path that uses the lease companies. If there's a tie, then you need to trace the shortest path among those possible with the least companies. FInally, if there's still a tie, each tied company gets the $30. Here's the relevant quote from the rules:
The company that builds the track link that creates the transcontinental
link will receive a bonus of $50 to its profit level. This should be added
immediately, along with the value of the location to which it just linked.
Each other company involved in the transcontinental link will receive a
bonus of $30 to its profit level.
The transcontinental link must be traced along a route that uses the
minimum number of different companies. If there are two or more
viable paths that can be traced by the link then
the one that uses the minimum number of track
links belonging to the potentially involved
companies must be used. If there is a tie then
each tied company receives the bonus profit.

So in your example (I am assuming green created the transcontinental link), green would get $50 and both yellow and blue would get $30 because the paths are the same length (7 links):
Green/Blue: SF-SLC-Denver-KC-Chicago-Pittsburg-Baltimore-NY

Green/Yellow: SF-SLC-Denver-KC-Chicago-Detroit-Buffalo-NY

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

dotburn — 2008-11-10T23:56:24+00:00

I just received mine today - surface mail.

But no After the Flood yet..

Thread: Transcontinental Link Query

bgjunkie — 2008-11-10T22:55:25+00:00

Hi all,
this situation occured last night and I was wondering how others would interpret the rules.

Green had managed to build:
Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Kansas City, Denver, Salt Lake City and San Franciso.

Blue had a link between New York and Baltimore.

Yellow had links between Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo and New York.

My take was that blue and yellow are 'potentially involved' and that blue should be selected because it required fewer links. Others in the room felt it was ambiguous, that there were two possible paths from Chicago to New York of length 3 and that yellow and blue should share the $30.

Comments?

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

ropearoni4 — 2008-11-08T17:43:43+00:00

nothing on this end. Still waiting. Well, I have some other essen releases to keep me company while I wait.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Banin — 2008-11-08T16:03:20+00:00

meh, i convinced myself that im not getting it before january
i hope to get surprised as well
(=

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Rastak — 2008-11-07T23:28:29+00:00

Cool! I hope mine comes before next weekend.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

jglasson — 2008-11-07T23:08:12+00:00

Numskull wrote:
I subscribed, and I don't even have After The Flood yet. If this state of affairs continues for a few more days, I'm liable to throw a childish tantrum, and anyone who records it will be able to strike YouTube gold.
I don't have After the Flood either even though I subscribed.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Numskull — 2008-11-07T22:59:54+00:00

I subscribed, and I don't even have After The Flood yet. If this state of affairs continues for a few more days, I'm liable to throw a childish tantrum, and anyone who records it will be able to strike YouTube gold.

Thread: Re: So this is Steel Driver? Our first game

Hammy — 2008-11-07T14:56:11+00:00

What I am liking most about the Treefrog games is that they are in general significantly shorter than the older Warfrog titles but have more game play per minute of playing time than a Warfrog game.

I love Age of Steam but it takes quite a long time to play. Tinners Trail and Steel Driver are not as deep as AoS but they take a lot less time to play. I figure you could play TT and SD in the time it would take to play AoS and there are definitely times when I would prefer two shorter but still thoughtful games over one longer one.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

Hammy — 2008-11-07T14:52:16+00:00

IIRC the investors get games 1-10, subscribers and pre-orders get the lower end of the number range 11-400 or so and at Essen I assume Martin used a different part of the range, possibly 900 to 1500 or something like that.

The game isn't sold out but I expect it to be pretty hard to get hold of (until it is taken on by a larger publisher) if you wait a few months to buy it.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

dcorban — 2008-11-07T14:31:49+00:00

mr_mrholmes wrote:
Number 1467!! This is a limited edition of 1500. Does this mean it's nearly sold out already?

No. Martin randomly distributes the games. Just because you get #10 or #1490 has no bearing on whether you got an "early" or "late" one.

Interesting that the west coasters seem to be getting theirs already. I would think they would hit the east coast first.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

jglasson — 2008-11-07T14:21:45+00:00

potts_games wrote:
Jeff,

Was your copy sent by surface or airmail? I went the subscription route, so I think my copy will be taking the slow route.
I got the subscription too and it did come surface mail. That's why I was so surprised that it came in 4 days. Maybe UK surface mail to the west coast comes into San Francisco. I was also expecting it to arrive together with After the Flood.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

potts_games — 2008-11-07T13:29:51+00:00

Jeff,

Was your copy sent by surface or airmail? I went the subscription route, so I think my copy will be taking the slow route.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

mr_mrholmes — 2008-11-07T13:13:48+00:00

domi123 wrote:
I bought at the Essen Fair #1467!
Michael

Number 1467!! This is a limited edition of 1500. Does this mean it's nearly sold out already?

I got mine yesterday and received other Treefrog Line subscription game (After The Flood) today!!

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Richard Breese — 2008-11-07T10:45:17+00:00

Designer Martin Wallace and Richard Dewsbury (blue t-shirt, back table) demonstrate Steel Driver at Essen 2008

Thread: Re: Must every company be auctioned off each turn?

zorac — 2008-11-07T10:20:30+00:00

This did actually happen last night - purple got completely boxed in on the first turn, an had no way of building any more track. With shares only worth $20, keeping an extra cube for the next round of bidding generally seemed more valuable.

Thread: Re: What a surprise!

domi123 — 2008-11-07T09:44:11+00:00

I bought at the Essen Fair #1467!
Michael

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garyjames — 2008-11-04T07:09:53+00:00

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helioa — 2008-10-26T15:46:41+00:00

Game in progress at Essen 2008

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T16:00:39+00:00

The three denominations kept aside the board to form a bank

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T15:58:26+00:00

track link pieces. Placed in a pile besides the board at the beginning of the game

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T15:57:04+00:00

goods cubes and white investment cubes

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T15:55:26+00:00

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T15:54:22+00:00

setup

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T15:53:31+00:00

order of play display

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KrisVerbeeck — 2008-10-25T15:17:51+00:00

box side