Game: Beyond Valor - ASL Module 1

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

shawn_low — 2008-10-28T03:45:05+00:00

I picked up BV1 for these reasons:

1) I own SL and have the other mapboards (#1-4)

2) BV1 can be had on ebay for a fraction of the cost of BV3. I picked my copy of BV1 for US$15. BV3 is US$75. The difference in costs can go towards a set of rules for example...

I can live with 'not so nice' counters and lesser scenarios.

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EndersGame — 2008-10-20T15:01:33+00:00

Trophy for 2008 Canadian ASL Open

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

Scoobysnacks — 2008-09-19T14:07:49+00:00

Its not OOS so no reprint right now. They need to build more games and it will go on sale again. My advice would be to get the RB now and thumb through it while you wait for BV to go back in stock unless you have the money to get both at once. I would get Yanks now because once gone will stay OOP for long time while they rebuild that module from scratch.

Thread: Re: The last printing?

jonjac — 2008-08-28T06:23:48+00:00

ctb123 wrote:
Todd could be right, it may just be an impression I got, or I may have read it directly, I don't recall.

Either way, his advice on getting anything ASL that you want when you find it is good advice.
It's just a little problem: the modules are very expensive!

Thread: Re: The last printing?

ctb123 — 2008-08-28T04:06:21+00:00

tppytel wrote:
ctb123 wrote:
MMP has everything on hand they need to build more complete games other than a lack of time with all the new games released recently.
I have not heard anyone from MMP say that. I have seen many people assume it and seen MMP avoid providing any specifics. As with everything else ASL, my advice would be that if you can buy it, buy it. For King and Country was said to "be back within a month or so" when it became "Temporarily Unavailable". That was over a year and a half ago.

If you need help finding a copy (for playing, not for reselling), Geekmail me and I might be able to point you in some helpful directions.

Todd could be right, it may just be an impression I got, or I may have read it directly, I don't recall.

Either way, his advice on getting anything ASL that you want when you find it is good advice.

Thread: Re: The last printing?

tppytel — 2008-08-28T03:57:42+00:00

ctb123 wrote:
MMP has everything on hand they need to build more complete games other than a lack of time with all the new games released recently.
I have not heard anyone from MMP say that. I have seen many people assume it and seen MMP avoid providing any specifics. As with everything else ASL, my advice would be that if you can buy it, buy it. For King and Country was said to "be back within a month or so" when it became "Temporarily Unavailable". That was over a year and a half ago.

If you need help finding a copy (for playing, not for reselling), Geekmail me and I might be able to point you in some helpful directions.

Thread: Re: The last printing?

ctb123 — 2008-08-28T03:27:30+00:00

They mean they do not anticipate changing the components should it need re-printed.

You will find BV hard to find right now, as it has gone temporarily Out Of Stock. MMP has everything on hand they need to build more complete games other than a lack of time with all the new games released recently. They will hopefully get some more built and ready for sale in the next several weeks.

Thread: Re: The last printing?

jonjac — 2008-08-27T15:22:36+00:00

Thanks.

I have still not played any of my SK's, but it's an itch I can't get rid of, namely to buy all the ASL core modules before it's get out of print forever in the case I will get into ASL eventually...

Thread: Re: The last printing?

cooler king — 2008-08-27T12:59:43+00:00

I've got to agree that it only refers to the changing of components.

However...
It is MMP, and they have been a bit slow with reprints over the years. Your best bet is to get a copy while they are still available.

and welcome to ASL, may you pass all your Morale Checks.

Thread: Re: The last printing?

Lindgaard — 2008-08-27T09:13:55+00:00

I can't imagine it's the last printing ever ! That's effectively taking ASL out of print !
It must be the last change of contents

Thread: The last printing?

jonjac — 2008-08-27T08:26:56+00:00

On MMP's site it says:

The newest, and we anticipate the last (should further reprintings be required the contents are not expected to change), printing of Beyond Valor has 10 ASL Starter Kit-style maps and 24 scenarios which use just those maps and the counters in the module.

Do they anticipate that it's probably the last printing ever? Or do they just mean the change of contents for the last time? As I understand it, Beyond Valor is one of the core modules for ASL, and it sounds strange that one of the core modules would go out of print for a game that I think is pretty popular?

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chooche — 2008-08-23T01:28:34+00:00

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chooche — 2008-08-23T01:28:19+00:00

Ad from 80s AH General Magazine

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chooche — 2008-08-23T01:27:59+00:00

Ad from 80s AH General Magazine

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

kypros — 2008-07-21T18:30:08+00:00

From my discussions with MMP people, both of the two posts above are correct. They are pleasantly surprised by the popularity of the SKs and the SKs are leading to purchases of full-blown ASL.

From the retailer point of view, I see the same thing. The SKs sell very well (all 3 are in Wargame Depot's top 15 sellers). And it is very common for customers to buy the SKs, then the ASL rules, modules, etc...

Cheers,
Jason
www.wargamedepot.com

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

thepackrat — 2008-07-16T22:05:35+00:00

Given the rolling out-of-stocks of the starter kits, I wonder whether they were (pleasantly) surprised by the popularity of those as well.

B>

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

SgtShellback — 2008-07-16T20:14:47+00:00

I feel your pain. I've also decided to pick this one up, but it's nowhere to be found. I called MMP and they said expect it sometime this fall.

I suppose I'll keep checking eBay until then...

I wonder if they neglected to factor in the higher demand for the product as a result of the starter kits. Like, they sell 5000 SK#1s, maybe 30-40% of those players will move on and get the full game... or something like that (just making numbers up here). What do you guys think?

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

nickgb — 2008-07-12T16:44:17+00:00

And the quest continues.

usacomicbooks also cancelled my order after it was placed. "Sorry the website shows in stock, it's actually not..."

So I will probably have to wait a bit before trying to order again....

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

nickgb — 2008-07-11T00:02:29+00:00

I will probably try the comics one listed above. Gamer's armory entry says they are also waiting for MMP to assemble more copies.

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

Scoobysnacks — 2008-07-10T20:27:10+00:00

The Gamer's Armory

$74 in stock

they have a lot of MMP stuff.

BTW never buy from MMP at their full price, either wait for one of their sales or go pre-order.

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

hank__hill — 2008-07-10T17:44:32+00:00

Just did a google search. Here ya go:
http://www.usacomicbooks.com/aslbeyondvalor.html

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

bk_otj — 2008-07-10T16:05:41+00:00

finegames.com for $77

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

nickgb — 2008-07-09T02:16:29+00:00

Thanks for the advice, I will try looking around some more. The e-mail I got from MMP re my order being cancelled said they should have it back in stock in the fall, so based on that (somewhat vague) estimate I wouldn't expect them to have it this month.

Of course it will take me some time yet to digest more of the rulebook, and also the rules to World in Flames that I also picked up at Origins this year. So many games, so little time....

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

Rindis — 2008-07-09T01:54:46+00:00

If they have all the components, and just need to assemble them, I doubt it will take them too long. Of course, the collating elves are all busy with AP4 right now.

Good luck with your new addiction, Nick!

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

tppytel — 2008-07-09T00:21:16+00:00

They're collating some more copies at MMP World Headquarters soon from what I understand. BV should be back on the shelves in July. Of course, I've heard them make similar predictions before. In any event, Michael at finegames.com still lists them in stock. His website is... um... an acquired taste. So might be easier to give him a call. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to locate a copy at a local shop either.

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

nickgb — 2008-07-09T00:02:07+00:00

Haven't found one yet. Everywhere I have checked has been out of stock.

Thread: Re: Out of Stock at MMP.

thepackrat — 2008-07-08T22:18:40+00:00

There are lots of other places you could potentially pick it up. The bigger ones (well, I only notice wargamdepot) seem out of stock, but smaller places might be able to ship you a copy.

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Thread: Out of Stock at MMP.

nickgb — 2008-07-08T22:07:01+00:00

Well, I picked up the ASL rulebook at Origins this year, and after returning home went to the MMP website and ordered Beyond Valor. Then I got an e-mail saying the order was cancelled as it is currently out of stock (still shows available on their website though). Hopefully back in stock in the fall sometime, but now I have to wait.

Color me dissappointed

Hmmm, I did also buy a couple of battletech map packs at Origins, they have clear hexes and trees and buildings and elevation changes and so on. Maybe I can cobble together some homemade counters in the meantime...

Thread: PBEM Opponent Wanted

mattlaclair — 2008-06-22T16:03:37+00:00

Would anyone like to do one of the original BV scenarios PBEM? I need to get my first game of this in.

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megadoux — 2008-05-18T20:51:09+00:00

ASL Scenario 1; Sestroretsk road, Finland 1941: The Russians get 3 squads out of the map, while the Finish butchered the rest of the Soviet forces

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megadoux — 2008-05-18T20:45:40+00:00

ASL Scenario 1; Sestroretsk road, Finland 1941: initial setup of the Russians (withdrawing) and the chasing Finish

Thread: Re: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

Scoobysnacks — 2008-05-06T17:31:18+00:00

I believe when the infamous new website comes online if I remember correctly. Unfortunately that was to happen in January. CSW has a post that states its close, one last issue, and we should see it soon.

Thread: Re: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

Scurvodsky — 2008-05-06T16:21:15+00:00

I just got word from MMP that these extra scenarios will become available in about a month or so as a separate set of scenarios.

Thread: Re: How long?

MerricB — 2008-04-30T04:46:25+00:00

scottandkimr wrote:
Sergeant Mike? wrote:
'Bout an hour a turn for our group, not including setup. Setting up the scenario is about 30 to 45 minutes, depending on what terrain types/fortifications/AFV's/etc. we have to review the rules on prior.

Of course we goof around quite a bit, too.

How many turns are in a typical scenario? Thanks

About 10.

The scenarios in BV range from about 6 turns to 15+ turns, with 10 being fairly standard.

Cheers!

Thread: Re: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

maxmaven — 2008-04-18T12:22:51+00:00

What you want are the scenario set up descriptions and instructions, since you already have the counters and most maps. Not sure if you can find these floating around somewhere on the internet - I'm not net savvy enough, but maybe someone else knows the answer to that. The only alternative I can think of is to find a friendly ASLer online willing to help you out by sending you the ones you need electronically. You have invested $$$ in the game, right?

Thread: Re: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

Rindis — 2008-04-16T19:12:23+00:00

Not that buying these (especially all of them) would be any cheaper, but here's the breakdown:

The General, Vol 25, No. 3: 125
The General, Vol 26, No. 2: 127
The General, Vol 27, No. 3: 132
The General, Vol 32, No. 3: 128
ASL Annual '89: 123, 124, 129, 136
ASL Annual '90: 131, 134
ASL Annual '95: 126, 135
ASL Annual '97: 130
ASL Journal 1: 133

(Hmm. I'm missing five of those.)
I do hope the release them separately soon. I was quite happy to do the same with the For King and Country - ASL module 5a scenarios.

Thread: Re: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

Scoobysnacks — 2008-04-16T16:05:21+00:00

At this time only from their original product. I've asked MMP and they said in the future they may go on sale like the FKaC scenario's.

Thread: Re: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

Tompy — 2008-04-16T13:58:43+00:00

unnecessary duplication of ASL counters? I hear the words but I don't understand what you are saying. What does that mean exactly?

All these scenarios exist in other forms like Journals, Annuals and perhaps even Generals

I hate to say it, but outright theft is your only recourse if you want to save money.

Thread: Is there a way to get the extra scenarios of BV3?

Scurvodsky — 2008-04-16T13:19:37+00:00

I already have the first edition of Beyond Valor. Is there an easy way to get the extra 14 scenarios that are included in the third edition without having to buy the third edition (which would unnecessarily duplicate all the counters, etc.)?
Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

Thread: Re: Starter Kits OK for Beyond Valor?

hank__hill — 2008-04-13T15:14:02+00:00

tppytel wrote:
Personally, I found the real ASLRB necessary for being "serious" about playing even the SK rules. The rules in SK do an admirable job packing a lot of information in a small and relatively readable package. But if you start asking questions about edge cases, it's not long before you find a lot of questions the SK rules don't clearly answer. For a while I would just ask on the forums and always got answers. But since those answers were always citing the ASLRB itself, I eventually just bought it, even before I was quite sure that I wanted to play the full system.

Very true! The SK rules are so vague in comparison. The full asl rules, as big as they are, are so much easier to read and comprehend. Not to mention reference. I was unsure when I ordered the rules if I wanted to stick with aslsk, but after I made the leap I'm hooked. I wouldn't worry about it, just order the full rules.

Thread: Re: How long?

scottandkimr — 2008-04-03T17:25:18+00:00

Sergeant Mike? wrote:
'Bout an hour a turn for our group, not including setup. Setting up the scenario is about 30 to 45 minutes, depending on what terrain types/fortifications/AFV's/etc. we have to review the rules on prior.

Of course we goof around quite a bit, too.

How many turns are in a typical scenario? Thanks

Thread: Re: How long?

Sergeant Mike? — 2008-04-03T01:25:35+00:00

'Bout an hour a turn for our group, not including setup. Setting up the scenario is about 30 to 45 minutes, depending on what terrain types/fortifications/AFV's/etc. we have to review the rules on prior.

Of course we goof around quite a bit, too.

Thread: Re: How long?

scottandkimr — 2008-04-02T22:28:17+00:00

tppytel wrote:
The scenarios included in the module tend toward the long side. I would guess the shortest ones might be 4 hours or so, assuming experienced players. The longer ones could easily be all-day events. That being said, there are lots of other ASL scenarios out there (some freely available, others not) featuring the Germans and Russians that fit into the 3-4 hour range. There aren't a whole lot of sub 3-hour ASL scenarios out there.

That is helpful, thanks!

Thread: Re: How long?

tppytel — 2008-04-02T22:15:30+00:00

The scenarios included in the module tend toward the long side. I would guess the shortest ones might be 4 hours or so, assuming experienced players. The longer ones could easily be all-day events. That being said, there are lots of other ASL scenarios out there (some freely available, others not) featuring the Germans and Russians that fit into the 3-4 hour range. There aren't a whole lot of sub 3-hour ASL scenarios out there.

Thread: How long?

scottandkimr — 2008-04-02T22:01:58+00:00

The BGG entry says this module takes 2 hours to play. Is this accurate for any or all of the scenarios? If not, what is accurate?

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DerDiplomat — 2008-02-10T22:39:54+00:00

[1] Fighting Withdrawal - The Finns didnt made it to the south edge before the end of the scenario

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DerDiplomat — 2008-02-10T22:38:03+00:00

[1] Fighting Withdrawal - Finns trying to breakthrough at the eastern edge (2)

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DerDiplomat — 2008-02-10T22:33:56+00:00

[1] Fighting Withdrawal - Awaiting the finnish attack

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

Nappy — 2008-01-29T15:10:00+00:00

Thanks for the info! I was reading Jay's post and he summed it up best...1st edition works fine unless you are competitive gaming. Most of my games would be solitaire, so if I can get the rules for 20 dollars, it may work well. I have all four of the original SL games, but they were given to me for free by a friend and all are a little musty smelling (which drives me nuts!).

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

dude163 — 2008-01-29T03:33:15+00:00

Nappy wrote:
I have never played ASL though, and I was wondering if it would be okay to buy a relatively inexpensive first edition rule book on ebay rather than donating blood to try to buy the second edition rulebook found on MMPs website.
Thanks.

Id buy a new copy of starter kit #1 and go to town like Jay said

http://www.gamersarmory.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=2...

18.75

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

richfam — 2008-01-29T00:22:47+00:00

Kirk Allton wrote:
I was wondering if it would be okay to buy a relatively inexpensive first edition rule book on ebay...
Sure! A 1st edition rulebook will work fine. There's some more discussion about this here:

1987 and 89 Upgrades to ASL 1st Edition...?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/283656

However, if you simply want to "try out" ASL, the ASL Starter Kit #1 – a complete game for about $20 – is hard to beat.

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

Nappy — 2008-01-28T04:04:14+00:00

I have a question,
I enjoy ATS because of the tank rules. I enjoy Band of Heroes for the "personal" aspect of the game. As usual, every game has plusses and minusses to them.
I am interested in ASL because of the flexibility not found in these other games. Neither of the other two can be set up for a DYO scenario like ASL (and SL) can be. I have never played ASL though, and I was wondering if it would be okay to buy a relatively inexpensive first edition rule book on ebay rather than donating blood to try to buy the second edition rulebook found on MMPs website.
Thanks.

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

tppytel — 2007-06-25T21:36:30+00:00

Con Man wrote:

Check out The Gamer's Armory (www.gamersarmory.com)
Probably not the cheapest...
Actually, I think it is the cheapest - even cheaper than the cut-rate eBay'ers, and certainly with far better service. The Armory can't be beat for service, selection, or price on in-print ASL gear IMO.

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

Con Man — 2007-06-25T21:10:58+00:00

Lagduf wrote:
Anyone know the cheapest place to get a copy of BV3?

Check out The Gamer's Armory (www.gamersarmory.com)
Probably not the cheapest, but it was the only place that had ASLSK#2 a month ago when I had to have it. I also got ASLSK3 and BV there.
Good service too.

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

Kevin Moody — 2007-06-25T18:01:58+00:00

Anyone know the cheapest place to get a copy of BV3? It seems to me that MMP games are prone to being OOS at most online sellers.

Therefore, the lesser known ones are often a good place to look.

I recommend Bunker Hill Games (www.bunkerhillgames.com). For small (one or two games) orders he's hard to beat on price if you include shipping...he charges exact shipping and it's usually very low.

As of 6/25/07 he has two in stock for about $2 more than Boulder Games, but you'll end up paying a lot less after shipping.

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

Lagduf — 2007-05-29T01:36:54+00:00

Anyone know the cheapest place to get a copy of BV3?

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

barkmann — 2007-05-21T13:33:28+00:00

Thank you Todd and all of you guys!

I appreciate your responses to my questions. It clarifies many of my thoughts. You all suggest me to buy BV3. It seems clear for me now to go with the family! and buy BV3.

I know that MMP Second Edition of BV contains Red Barricade but now it is out of print and sells at 200$ US on Ebay... so it is also, out of consideration! If one day, I want to get my hands on Red Barricade I'll go with the original(AH).

Another interesting point is that the Finns are in a different color in BV3. And BV3 contains counters for Chapter E. This is all good points!

Thank you guys for your help

Louis-David

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

tppytel — 2007-05-18T22:48:57+00:00

isaacc wrote:
Aren't you guys forgetting that the 2nd edition of BV comes with Red Barricades included. As I understand it that version goes for a very pretty penny on eBay.
I'm assuming that since the OP is talking about value for the dollar that the 2nd edition is not under consideration. Even considering the inclusion of Red Barricades, the 2nd edition's collector's value is quite high. You would probably do better to buy RB and BV separately than to shell out for the 2nd edition, assuming you could even find one in good condition.

Warbear wrote:
The AH 1st edition has 12 countersheets.
The MMP 3rd edition has 13 and a half countersheets.
Good point. The extra countersheets consist of the counters for Chapter E (Night, Air Support, etc.), which are also included in Yanks. If the OP is planning on buying Yanks anyway (which is highly likely, unless he's such an East Front fanatic that he doesn't even need the Americans), then those counters aren't going to matter.

3rd Edition is still the way to go, IMO.

Thread: Re: Beyond Valor old copy or better go with 3rd edition

SlyFrog — 2007-05-18T13:20:51+00:00

I would (and did) spend the extra money to get the 3rd edition, if for nothing else than having Finns in a different color than the Germans. The 3rd edition makes this differentiation (different colored counters). The 1st edition did not. I also assume (though do not know for sure) that the 2nd edition did not.

The 2nd edition did contain Red Barricades, but I would make sure it is there before I bought it for that reason.

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peterk — 2007-03-17T16:05:18+00:00

3rd Edition Countersheet 14 (back): Miscellaneous Counters