Game: Wreckage

Thread: Re: Cars n' Corpses- A Wreckage Variant...with Zombies! (WIP)

Curufea — 2008-11-11T01:43:58+00:00

It's not there.
Also, Patrick's MySpace page - http://www.myspace.com/patrickchedges is not very helpful.

Thread: Re: Cars n' Corpses- A Wreckage Variant...with Zombies! (WIP)

alfblack — 2008-11-08T14:52:11+00:00

Can anyone post the rules to BGG? I'm trying to access the site and I cant.

I cant access Wayback machine also due to OpenDNS blocking it as proxy. grrr

Thread: Re: Better Battles

Matthew_Eklund — 2008-11-04T16:53:49+00:00

Nice set of house-rules that make sense, and change the game focus to simple combat.

I'd still much rather play Kriegbot though.

Thread: Re: Convince Me

rayito2702 — 2008-10-27T17:09:08+00:00

Jack Hooligan wrote:
I own Wreckage, but it's been sitting in my closet for nearly three years.

I used to own Dark Future and hoped that Wreckage would cushion the blow of DFs loss.

I've read that several think this game is better than DF or Car Wars. In what way? DF allows for vehicle customization and that barreling down the road mad max feel. This game reads more like a demolition derby. Two very different feels IMHO.

So why should I break this game out and not seek out DF?

Thanks!

I've never played DF but I've play a lot of Car Wars which has "barreling down the road" scenarios and vehicle customization. I also enjoy Wreckage.

The Wreckage scenario is definitely more of a demolition derby like the arena duels in Car Wars. Wreckage is very simple. Collisions cause damage and force both cars to stop. Some damage cards force a car to "spin out" which literally means you randomly determine the car's new facing by spinning a special tile that comes with the game.

I have thought of making a highway duel scenario for Wreckage, but the rules would probably have to be tweaked. As I said, the rules force cars to stop if they collide which seems like it would sap a lot of the momentum.

The beauty of Wreckage is its simplicity and the simultaneous nature of game play. It makes the game play fast and speed is the heart of the theme. You can play Car Wars for an hour in real time and only cover 30 seconds of game time. This element in Car Wars always caused a real thematic disconnect for me.

Thread: Re: Convince Me

tempus42 — 2008-10-27T16:50:01+00:00

Would you be interested in any negative reinforcement? I also own this game and have never attempted to play it, primarily because every person who has ever made a comment about this game to me has indicated that they thought it was pretty bad.

I think the main complaint that I heard from several people was that the scale of the cars' speed vs. maneuverability is all off - your cars end up zooming back and forth across the table futilely trying to hit the objectives. Sounds like it could be fixable, but no one I talked to felt like it was worth spending the time to try.

Thread: Convince Me

Jack Hooligan — 2008-10-27T16:06:29+00:00

I own Wreckage, but it's been sitting in my closet for nearly three years.

I used to own Dark Future and hoped that Wreckage would cushion the blow of DFs loss.

I've read that several think this game is better than DF or Car Wars. In what way? DF allows for vehicle customization and that barreling down the road mad max feel. This game reads more like a demolition derby. Two very different feels IMHO.

So why should I break this game out and not seek out DF?

Thanks!

Thread: Re: Cars n' Corpses- A Wreckage Variant...with Zombies! (WIP)

Armydillo978 — 2008-09-28T13:08:09+00:00

I know it's an old thread, but I was wondering if this project is still being worked on? And where I might be able to take a look at it. I'm afraid the link doesn't seem to be working for me.

thanks

Bill
(trying not to let life and work interfer with my gaming).

Thread: Re: Better Battles

emceekhan — 2008-09-11T06:45:22+00:00

You should try using Mayhem sets from WorldWorks Games for this game.

I played a version of Wreckage with small Matchbox cars and a cityscape, and it's a lot of fun.

Thread: Better Battles

edralla — 2008-09-10T17:39:54+00:00

I've owned this game for a few years now, and we always liked it. But, there were a few aspects that seemed to unbalance the game and the game generally went too quickly. I also own the old Games Workshop game Battle Cars, and it inspired the following "fixes". We find these balance the game more, and make for a more satisfying (and slightly longer) session.

1. Ram only applies during forward movement -- not during turns or backing.
Logic: the Ram is mounted on the front of the vehicle.
Game effect: This balances the effects of Ram significantly.

2. Gas cans are used for emergency repairs, not for victory conditions. If a car is damaged, picking up a gas can allows the player to execute emergency repairs by discarding the gas can instead of discarding two steering cards. Only damaged cars may pick up gas cans, and they must execute the emergency repair immediately during the next Action Phase.
Logic: discarding steering cards for emergency repairs is like using parts from one section of the car to patch another section. In this case, the gas can represents some useful part you found on the track that serves the same purpose.
Game effect: the game lasts longer, and there's far more satisfaction in playing "last man standing".

3. Set up with buildings (a la Battle Cars). We generally use the tops and bottoms of one or two game boxes to represent two to four buildings. These act as obstacles to firing and require much more maneuvering to get a shot. Arrangement of the buildings is random except that the open areas between buildings must be at least the width of the box to allow some maneuverability. Other obstacles and gas cans are then placed by the players alternately anywhere on the playing surface.
Logic: This simulates the battleground of the future ... post apocalyptic cities where only the strong survive. (Or maybe, we just like the extra challenge.)
Game effect: The cat-and-mouse aspect means players must rely more on driving skill to set up shots. This makes a two or three player game much more satisfying.

4. Play with equipment cards concealed until first use. To start, remove equipment cards equal to the number of players plus 2 from the deck and set them aside in a stack. Before selecting a card, the player first draws the top card from the set aside stack and adds it to the equipment deck. The player then selects an equipment card from the equipment deck and places it FACEDOWN in front of him. Finally, he selects one additional card from the equipment deck and shuffles it into the set aside stack. In this way, nobody will know exactly which cards are in play, and which ones each of the other players have. During game play, only expose an equipment card when you use it the first time.
Logic: You can't always tell what's under the hood by looking at the car. It adds a level of risk when you simply don't know if that weapon pod on the roof is a turret or a rear weapon mount.
Game effect: The bluffing element enhances the tension level. Also, there's a lot of satisfaction when you get someone in your sights and they never saw it coming.

We've tested this over several sessions, and for our group this really makes a good game better. However, I'd love to hear your feedback.

Thread: Look out, no brakes!

zombiegod — 2008-07-24T00:20:35+00:00

The blue car and the red car had a race (or so the song went, something like that). Anyway blue Vs red it was to be.

The game began with both vehicles picking up a can of the precious gazzoline early on. Then as is usual with our games of Wreckage speed over common sense soon took over, and both vehicles found themselves leaving the 'Fuel Zone' way behind (thanks to a large floor play area).

Eventually a couple of hairpin turns that caused a little vehicle damage brought the cars more or less back on course.

Now the two cars were heading back towards each other and picking up speed yet again. Blue decided to use the fitted Turbo to ram into red but misjudged the direction of travel. The sudden burst of speed sending his vehicle just past red.

Red slowed down, trying to get a few 45 degree turns in, and eventually slowed down to a halt. Blue was quicker at turning and took the opportunity to fire a massive rocket into the back of red.

The red vehicle received major damage resulting in the removal of its ability to decelerate. At speed 2 and on the outer edge of the fuel can zone the vehicle had no alternative other than high tail it to safety and circle the outskirts of the play area whilst repairs were decided upon!

This left blue with just enough time steadily mop up the next 2 gas cans, whilst red cruised around the edge of the arena.

Thread: Short and brutal

waferthinninja — 2008-07-07T15:07:15+00:00

Ian took the fast motorcycle combination and equipped it with rams, improved structure and armour plating.
I had the red car which could fire all weapons at once, so took three weapons - flamethrower, turreted rockets, and rockets which caused spinout.
Steve was the blue car, and had one of the big disposable rockets, a flamethrower and something else I forget.
Tim had the yellow truck, and had a big rocket, nitro booster and a gun.

The board was set up pretty much as the standard 4 player setup in the rules, with a few extra bits of scenery to prevent the first turn ramming that occurred in the last game, and a bit more looseness to the arrangement - I didnt measure things out. Ian was "North", Tim "East", Steve "South" and I was "West".

Tim came out the gates fastest, charging toward the middle. I veered left towards a gascan, Ian steered right towards me. Eek. Steve turned away from me.

I had a right turn programmed next and grabbed the can, but was rammed by Ian, I was badly damaged but survived. With his ram Ian took no damage - however, he did when Tims heavy rocket slamed into him and spun him out. Tim then came rolling over him, and me shortly after, crushing us both. Tim took some damage from the collisions, but survived.

Tim had grabbed one can on the way to us, and grabbed the can Ian then I had dropped. Steve had calmly collected 2 also. It was basically a race the the last can. Tim was going too fast, and spent a long time turning back around. He almost managed to line himself up for a nitro boost to get back to the centre, but by that time Steve had slammed on the brakes next to the can, and pootled around to pick it up for the victory.

I am unsure about the whole "picking up gascans" thing. It does mean people have to get stuck in, but to be honest I think we would anyway. Steve never actually fired a single shot or rammed anyone - he was pretty much winner by virtue of staying out of the fighting, which seems wrong for a car wars game. In hindsight it might have been more satisfying to have the two fight it out at the end (though it would have made the gascans pointless).

Thread: AND....its over.

big__rhino — 2008-05-21T19:02:48+00:00

So i bought this on tanga with a few other games, but this is the one i wanted. I saw the tanga deal and said, "cool i buy wreckage and get some other games for free!"

It finally came after almost two weeks (stupid tanga, pozy is killing you!) and i busted it open and worked it out with my buddy. He liked it ok and i just loved it. I'm not sure why i like this game so much, i guess it just scratched that car combat itch. Plus i'm a big fan of arcade car driving. I play burnout not gran turismo. Gran turismo is stupid, i wanna see stuff explode.

"Wanna play again!"

"no."

Uh! now i gotta wait until monday and get my brother to play it.

Monday came around and i explained the rules to my brother. we picked out our cars and equipment.

I picked that cool little green buggy that goes oh so fast and has the ability to flip a U. My brother picked the red car because we all know from 40k that red cars go faster. Whatever i'm gonna win!

I picked the extra armour, missile launcher, and gatling gun.
My brother picked the needle launcher, batman insta armour, and gattling gun.

After that we set up the standard arena and started our engines.

I'm gonna pause for a second and tell you i was excited. The hype was out of control after waiting to play with my brother. I knew this game was gonna be awesome!

The green light flashed and we both zoomed off to the right of the arena.
My brother Hits the turbo, deploys the batman insta armor, and rams into me at full speed.

I explode in a firey wreckage AND...its over.

crap.

"Um...I think I won."

"yeah i'm dead so basically you get all the gas."

"Cool! This is awesome!"

"I guess."

"Wanna go to walmart and buy some hot wheels so we can play again without the stupid cardboard."

"HELL YEAH!"

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Guantanamo — 2008-04-28T01:07:02+00:00

Misc. enhancements

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BostonKen — 2008-03-28T18:23:40+00:00

Countersheets 3 through 8

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BostonKen — 2008-03-28T18:20:25+00:00

Countersheet 2 Reverse duplicate except for the vehicles

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BostonKen — 2008-03-28T18:18:07+00:00

Countersheet 1 Reverse is duplicate except for the vehicles

Thread: Re: Recommended car customization for new players?

Cross_ — 2008-01-23T22:40:44+00:00

Well it's too late for you, but for others reading this: I did our first game with high armor cars and additional armor equipment. Also turret weapons are probably more interesting that front mounted ones. I would disregard mine layer and one-shot rockets.

Thread: The Name Says it All

Lemur — 2007-12-28T13:59:24+00:00

Wreckage strikes me as a game that really wants to be good, but suffers because the system was designed to not be too complex. The problem is, to make a truly engaging ‘Mad Max’-type game that engrosses the players, there needs to be some level of complexity. Wreckage has nearly none.
Out of the box, I was impressed by how large the pieces were — they may just be cardboard, but each car was fairly large, and each player gets his own “dashboard,” where he can denote his speed.

Gameplay is pretty straight-forward, drive around this track, limited by your hand of cards (that provide directional options). When you see someone else, you shoot them, because they will certainly shoot you if they have the opportunity. Each ‘driver’ also is able to ‘customize’ his car, by selecting different weaponry and/or defensive effects to differentiate his vehicle from the others.

From setup, however, I suspected this game would not be as enjoyable as I’d initially hoped. Perhaps, part of that has to do with my own misperception – the game is intended to be fast and bloody, with limited focus on ‘winning.’ Thus, it seems to go almost too fast (but, then again, that’s almost certainly the intent of the designer).

The ‘board’ — which is limited really, only by table size, nonetheless, is a fixed amount. From ‘top’ of the objectives to the bottom is, maybe, two feet. Now, it’s important to have a large playing surface, because cars WILL go off course and drive every which way; but the objective area is only a 2x2 square, which is where, ideally, all the action would take place.

The problem is, you can only change speeds when you take an action to do so — if you turn your vehicle, you cannot change your speed. This leads to a 1) frustrating, 2) non-sensible, 3) nearly impossible to control, chaotic game. Cars speed off in all directions, TYPICALLY, away from the 2x2 center that contains the objectives.

The goal of the game is to collect three of the five ‘randomly’ placed oil cans that are all within that 2x 2 center. Alternatively, eliminating all the other cars will also win a player the game.

On the other hand, there is some realism to the game – after all, it’s fairly likely that firing a rocket launcher at a vehicle would — in most situations — completely disable the vehicle. That’s a far cry from many other games that might — in an attempt to keep the game experience alive a bit longer — allow the target vehicle to practically ‘shake off’ the attack. That’s certainly not realistic, either.

The net effect of all this, however, is that the game is over almost before it starts — taking 4 (or more) drivers, and setting them up with a 2x2 area to fight over, with monumentally powerful weapons will NOT lead to a long game — and, that needs to be known before starting. This is not a skill game, or one that checks ‘driving prowess.’ It’s kill or be killed.

Because of my misperceptions, I don’t think I enjoyed the game as much as I wanted to. I never even got a chance to fire my weapon, I took damage when one driver crashed into me, and then, to handicap myself even more, I promptly drove, quite fast, into an obstacle, doing even more damage to myself.

By the time I was able to work my way down to attack the lone remaining driver, I was practically running on fumes, and I was dispatched easily.
I am not sure what Wreckage needs — almost certainly a larger play area (so that people actually have an opportunity to DO things before being blown up), but beyond that, I think the game is basically sound, just not enjoyable to me. I’ll probably try it one more time (because I hate to give up on any game), but my suspicion is that this will be heading to the ‘for sale’ pile shortly after that.

Presentation Ratings
Graphics: 5
Components: 6

System Ratings
Originality of Mechanics: 6
GamePlay/GameFlow: 6
End-game: 4
Fun Factor: 4

Gamer Rating: 51
Overall Rating: 52

Thread: Re: Collision Questions

frankinla — 2007-12-17T20:45:06+00:00

Petru5 wrote:
We played a couple of contests of this last night and I had some questions.

1. Spin Out and colliding. Spinning out, whether from collision or weapon damage is a little confusing for me. We had several instances where the vehicle would spinout and hit an obstacle, which had me digging through the rules. They say, "If the spinout counter indicates a direction your vehicle cannot face, flip it again". Does this mean the re-flip takes the place of the first flip, or that you careen off the hit obstacle and spin again?

To compound my confusion, the rules later state that "if the target vehicle has already spun out from the effects of a damage card, it does not spin out a second time." Is this "second time" when a second vehicle perhaps hits the affected vehicle in the same round or subsequent spins due to hit obstacles (see above)?

Finally, if a vehicle was spun out and hit an obstacle, would you resolve damage as normal (i.e., if the car was going 2 speed, you'd flip two damage cards), thus bringing the car's speed to 0?

Help!!!! I like the game, but this happened a lot and somewhat detracts from playability!!!

Here's my interpretation:
1. The complete quote is "If the spinout counter indicates a direction your vehicle cannot face (because doing so would cause it to overlap an obstacle or another vehicle), flip it again." To me, that means re-flip and ignore the first result because it was impossible. You can't careen off anything during a spinout. You aren't "moving". You're just pivoting to change facing as you take damage. (By the way, the few times I've played Wreckage, we used a scatter die from Warhammer to determine spinout direction. More handy than flipping that giant token if you happen to have one.)

2. By "second time", they mean if the target already had to spin out due to a damage card with the spinout icon on it, it does not spin out again from a spinout special weapon ability from that same attack.

3. You can't cause a collision with an obstacle while spinning out because spinning out is not movement per se. If the spinout causes the vehicle to overlap an obstacle, you have to re-roll anyway. I suppose you could make a house rule that if you spin out into an obstacle, rather than re-roll you take one damage card and stop adjacent to the obstacle, but taking full head-on collision damage based on forward speed wouldn't make sense to me.

Thread: Collision Questions

Petru5 — 2007-12-17T19:41:24+00:00

We played a couple of contests of this last night and I had some questions.

1. Spin Out and colliding. Spinning out, whether from collision or weapon damage is a little confusing for me. We had several instances where the vehicle would spinout and hit an obstacle, which had me digging through the rules. They say, "If the spinout counter indicates a direction your vehicle cannot face, flip it again". Does this mean the re-flip takes the place of the first flip, or that you careen off the hit obstacle and spin again?

To compound my confusion, the rules later state that "if the target vehicle has already spun out from the effects of a damage card, it does not spin out a second time." Is this "second time" when a second vehicle perhaps hits the affected vehicle in the same round or subsequent spins due to hit obstacles (see above)?

Finally, if a vehicle was spun out and hit an obstacle, would you resolve damage as normal (i.e., if the car was going 2 speed, you'd flip two damage cards), thus bringing the car's speed to 0?

Help!!!! I like the game, but this happened a lot and somewhat detracts from playability!!!

Thread: Re: Collision ommision

Petru5 — 2007-12-17T17:56:23+00:00

I would assume that the "spinning out" variant would be applied in this case. The previously rammed vehicle, due to being in contact with the rammer, would spin its wheels ineffectually and not move. Another option would be to use Emergency Repairs instead of moving.

Thread: Re: Cars n' Corpses- A Wreckage Variant...with Zombies! (WIP

Parapsycho — 2007-11-09T20:03:36+00:00

Hey. Sorry I haven't been working on the variant as much as I would have liked. I've got alot of different projects going on, and I work retail (which starts getting crazy this time of year).

Im going to try and get some more scenario/campaign information up, and start a forum for people to submit their own cars, weapons, scenarios, terrain pics, ect.

Thread: Recommended car customization for new players?

ced1106 — 2007-10-04T23:58:54+00:00

I'll be hosting a game of Wreckage this weekend, and maybe it's a good idea to pre-select the cars and equipment, rather than have players digest all the rules then select and customize their cars. The players will range from experienced AT players, to players interested in the theme but new to AT games, to players dragged into the game by their friends.

Any suggestions? Also, let me know anything else there is to know. I've already noted the designer's ramming rules.

Thanks,

aka. Washu! ^O^

Thread: Re: Cars n' Corpses- A Wreckage Variant...with Zombies! (WIP)

turtleback — 2007-09-27T20:24:59+00:00

I just bought both of these and was thinking the same thing. It looks promising. I'm looking forward to some scenarios.

Thread: Cars n' Corpses- A Wreckage Variant...with Zombies! (WIP)

Parapsycho — 2007-09-26T23:56:05+00:00

Hey all!

Im a long time fan of both Auto-Combat and Zombie survival horror. One day I was playing around with games i had lying around, and looked at my Zombies!!! game and Wreckage, and thought they would go good together.

I wrote up a quick set of rules. The game works the same for car-to-car combat, but veers a little for car-to-zombie combat and collisions.

It's a work in progress, and I'm hoping to develop it enough for people to be able to run scenario-based campaigns if they want to.

Here's the link:
http://carsncorpses.joolo.com/rules.html

Pictures of rules explainations & gameplay coming soon.

Feedback Appreciated.

Thanks,
Patrick

Thread: Re: collisions

zombiegod — 2007-09-24T21:51:35+00:00

I don't have the rulebook in front of me. But I'm pretty certain the rammer is the only one that loses speed. The car that was hit carries on as normal when it is that particular players own turn.

The one situation where this slightly alters is in a head on collision. Once again the rammer is the only vehicle to reduce its speed to zero. 'But' when it is the other vehicles turn the same consequence will happen, unless there is some slight chance that it can move out of the way.

Thread: collisions

turtleback — 2007-09-24T20:15:28+00:00

Hello All,

We played our first game of Wreckage yesterday. We messed up a number of rules which I was later able to clarify, but I wasn't able to find an answer for one question.

When there is a collision the rule book says that the vehicle that has made the collisions speed is reduced to 0. Does a vehicle that gets collided with also have a speed of 0 or does it maintain the speed it was going before it was hit?

I know that this game is not a simulation, but it would seem that vehicles that hit head on would both stop and that a vehicle that is t-boned would swerve and continue on. I cannot find a clear answer in the rules. Any help?

-David

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turtleback — 2007-09-23T23:13:13+00:00