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The Definitive Childrens Game Geek List -- School Age list
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OK, so there really isn't any such thing as the definitive kids game geek list, but I sure wish there were. I spent the last weeks looking over all the games with at least 30 ratings (plus a few more) that were listed as "children's games" here at BGG.

Now, I fully realize that the data is sketchy. Many games that are surely kids games (e.g. Don't Break the Ice) aren't listed as such. Many others that are not kids games (Avalon Hill's tactical hunting game Yellowstone, Montgolfiere, Smart Mouth, some Pirate game from Hilary's Toy Box, plus many more) are listed as such. And then there are the Monopoly editions that are hit and miss (Simpsons is kids, but LotR isn't--neither should be). Some people even think Bang! is a kids game. But I'm not looking for opinions, just hoping to look for games where the manufacturer was targeting, specifically, youngsters. Not adult games that make good games for kids.

So, I tried to whittle down the list to remove games that seemed not to be purely directed at children. I also eliminated any games listed in the databases as for children but also listed as either "war" or "trivia," so I could eliminate wargames that grognards might relegate to status of childish along with ditching "educational" games of trivia.

I discovered that the world of childrens' games here on BGG is woefully lacking. There really needs to be a couple of different categories for kids' games: Pre-school (roughly under age 6) and School Age (that'd be 6-14 or so). And games that are good for kids, but not directed to kids, shouldn't be in either grouping (like, apparently, Razzia).

Anyway, awhile back, Dale Stephenson came up with a nifty geek list to discover which party games have the most fans ( http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist.php3?action=view&listi...). He pointed out that party games, like childrens' games, are ill-suited for the one-rating-fits-all system here at BGG. See, for wargames or sports games or blind bidding games, people who really dislike those genres simply don't play them and don't rate most of the games of that ilk. Not true for party games--everyone plays party games, whether they like to or not. His theory was that those who rate such games with a 7 or above are the true fans of "party games," so his geek list calculated the raw data amongst fans of only that type of game. To him, a rating of 7+ is equivalent to a “thumbs-up” in the new BGG parlance.

Well, I took a similar approach with Childrens' Games. I removed all votes below 7 and checked to see which games had the highest averages amongst fans of the game--presumably, those who either like to play kids games or rate them from the point of view of a child. This geek list is the result of that tedious process.

So, I recalculated over hundred games based only on the ratings of 7 or more. Games with too few ratings of at least 7 were smoothed (yep, that Bayesian thing at work), so that Monkey Madness, Jack Straws, and Railroader didn't look like the best kid games ever. For those with inquiring minds, "too few" is defined as 14 for pre-school games and 21 for school-age games.

In this list, I'll present the games for school-age children. Like with the other list, I don't care if your 3rd grader just loooooves Die Macher. Bully for him or her. But that game isn't designed to be a kids game, so it doesn't belong on this list. I'm trying to keep this to the targeted audience--kids who aren't spawned from game geeks. You know, average, normal kids. :)

If you know of other great candidates that are really, really designed specifically for kids, please add a general comment so that I can calculate their numbers and add them to the list. But remember, don't include adult games that work well with kids--I want only games designed for children as the primary audience. Those I don't feel fit in will be deleted.

And to make a long intro even longer, each header line includes a note at the end called “FORM.” This is Tim Benjamin’s statistically accurate method of calculating a game’s total worth along three attributes: popularity (lots of votes), quality (ratings), and consensus (standard deviation). I have included the “kiddie FORM” rating for each game (with the rank in parentheses) just to show which games are foremost in the minds of kiddie gamers. Not necessarily the best, but the best of the ones you’ll hear about on the streets. Take if for what it’s worth—another data point.
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1. Board Game: Fireball Island [Average Rating:6.33 Overall Rank:1607]
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1) Fireball Island - 7.848, 56 ratings of 7+ (138 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 37th -- FORM: 58.7 (30)

I can't say that I recall this game. It seems to have come out somewhere around the time of the Indiana Jones first installment, so I guess that's where the idea came from. Otherwise, it looks a lot like other old American games where a dropped marble is the randomizer for who is pushed back to the start (like that old haunted witch mansion game from the 1970s).

All that said, this game is beloved by kids and kids-at-heart, according to the numbers here on BGG. Maybe that's because it's targeted to the older echelon of school kids? On the other hand, the opinion is divided enough (standard deviation, in stat speak) that this rates only #30 by the FORM calculation, so it may be a good game, but not well known or commonly perceived as good.
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I LOVED this game as a kid. There was a neighborhood friend of ours who ALWAYS wanted to come over and play it. I was hoping to see it on this list, but didn't expect it to be the very first entry. Good stuff. Glad to see its still getting some love.

On a semi-related note, here's a silly article I wrote that was inspired by Fireball Island.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/924579#924579

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If I remember correctly, the rolling marble didn't choose a random player to send back, but if you ended up on the wrong space (on a fireball track), anyone could play a card to send a fireball (marble) down the track to send you back (but not to start).
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One of my son's favorite- we just played it the other day. It's a race-to-the-center and then race-to-the-end roll and move game. You are basically always on a path that can be set back by rolling a marble. If you roll a 1 on your turn, you must roll a Fireball and knock someone back to one of several "smolder pits" on the board. Multiplayer games can be tense toward the end because the mechanics tend to slow down the leader, making for a fun finish.
2. Board Game: Book of Classic Board Games [Average Rating:6.55 Overall Rank:1634]
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2) Book of Classic Board Games - 7.819, 47 ratings of 7+ (87 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 8th -- FORM: 53.1 (35)

Looking at the picture here, I may have gotten this one as a gift a long time ago. Because it's by Sid Sackson, it will have those high ratings due to his pending canonization ("Saint Sid" has quite a ring to it). Anyway, I'm not sue it belongs here, but someone listed it as "childrens game" and I haven't yet submitted a correction to fix that. Should I?
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I don't know that I'd consider this to be targeted to kids. It's not a black/white call, though, partly because I think that the older end of the "school-aged" range is capable of playing just about anything, and partly because this book includes a lot of different games, some of which might be intended primarily for children.

I'll say this, though -- this book/game set is fabulous. The dollar-to-gaming-enjoyment ratio is the best of anything I have. Also, it's supremely portable -- we bring it on every family trip. And, for whatever it's worth, I hadn't heard of Sid Sackson when I bought it and didn't realize his involvement until this moment, so my love for the book isn't swayed by that.
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It is a great book for everyone. The company that produces it markets it to kids - along with a huge line of other items - and the words and reading level say "I'm aimed at older kids rather than adults" so maybe it should stay in the kids category.
3. Board Game: Apples to Apples Kids [Average Rating:6.58 Overall Rank:1272]
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3) Apples to Apples Junior! - 7.746, 63 ratings of 7+ (114 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 5th -- FORM: 75.2 (18)

I'm not much of a fan of the grown-up version of this game (how different can they be?). But I can see how kids would enjoy the randomness of it moreso than adults do. Nonetheless, I'm guessing that the high rating here is more based on the parents liking the original, not based on how kids would rate this edition.
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I've played both versions with kids, and it goes over very well. The "Adult" version contains cards the kids might not know. I remember one kid asking "Who's Princess Di?" pronouncing it "Dee".
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My kids LOVE this edition! They seem to never get tired of playing.
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We play with a giant stack of random picture cards.
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I think most "junior" editions of party games (such as this, or Pictionary Jr., or Scattegories Jr., or Catch Phrase Jr. etcetera) have the same mechanics, but less obscure things to draw/match/guess. I would expect them to age better than parents using topical answers, though I haven't actually played Outburst Jr. to test my theory.

My nephews have really enjoyed this particular game.
4. Board Game: Which Witch? [Average Rating:5.04 Overall Rank:5733]
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4) Which Witch? - 7.719, 17 ratings of 7+ (55 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 45th -- FORM: 28.2 (54)

Witch, thy name is Niche. The few who rate it 7 and above seem to remember this game fondly. But the FORM rating doesn't mean it's a good mainstream game.

Now this game gets much better marks than Ghost Castle, which was apparently a rip off. I mentioned playing this in Cousin Teresa's "playhouse" in the Ghost Castle entry. Now, her playhouse was set off at the far back corner of their yard (so, about a half-acre away from the house proper). And it was a free-standing one-room house about 500 square feet with a covered area outside that was twice the size of the "playhouse." Is that odd? Is that an odd memory? Should I be talking about Which Witch?
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Recently showed this game to a fellow grownup gamer, who pointed out that once you make the decision to play the game, that's the last actual decision made by any of the players. And you know, I thought about it and realized he was right. There are three sources of randomization: the die roll, the card drawn off the deck, and when Ghoulish Gertie drops it down the chimney (metal ball can roll into any of the four rooms, smiting players therein). But there is absolutely no point in the game at which any player has free choice between two different courses of action.

Of course this would elicit massive scorn here on BGG, and probably cause some people to immediately label it "not a game." But while I acknowledge the criticism, I still have fond memories of playing this as a kid. In fact, it got onto the table at my house a few Christmases ago for a nostalgia play, and we had a great time. Sometimes--even if you didn't make it happen and can't make it stop--it's just still fun to have your kid brother turned into a rat. :devil:

I'd still think this was enjoyable for young enough kids, but I wonder if that might not be true for geek-raised kids. I spent my whole childhood playing games, but we didn't have the kind of games that BGGers' kids have today, nor did we have the sort of outside-the-box "Sure, why wouldn't my two-year-old be able to play Carcassonne?" attitude.

This has also made me reflect on how many other childhood classics are decision-free. Certainly Candyland is. And isn't that true of Mousetrap as well? I think Candyland falls into the "played by those too little to know better" category (though I admit that it can teach things like taking your turn). But Mousetrap really belongs in the same category as Which Witch--cool, elaborate bits, strong theme, and multiple sources of random input mask the fact that there is no decision-making by the players.
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I loved this game back in grade school!
5. Board Game: Kapitän Wackelpudding [Average Rating:6.23 Overall Rank:2306]
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5) Kapitän Wackelpudding - 7.692, 26 ratings of 7+ (75 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 25th -- FORM: 46.1 (42)

I've played this twice and enjoyed it none. I even watched a live-action version of it in a swimming pool. That wasn't any better, just slower. Maybe kids would enjoy it, but I don't think I would have when I was of a lesser age.
6. Board Game: Guess Who [Average Rating:4.79 Overall Rank:5883]
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6) Guess Who - 7.686, 40 ratings of 7+ (263 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 57th -- FORM: 56.1 (33)

I never played this as a youngster. Of course, if it came out in 1987 like the database says, I couldn't have done that. But I think I would have really liked it. Maybe when my kids reach school age, we'll have to check it out. Problem there is that we game geeks think that our school kids should cut their teeth on Adel Verpflichtet, rather than Hangman and Guess Who.

Note: those who don't think this is so great give it an average rating below 4.5, which is very low for this group of games. So, don't expect to enjoy playing this with all adults.
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It's actually a pretty good kids game. They use reasoning and deduction to figure it out. Maybe simplistic, but it works.
7. Board Game: Dancing Eggs [Average Rating:6.67 Overall Rank:758]
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7) Eiertanz - 7.668, 61 ratings of 7+ (86 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 4th -- FORM: 84.5 (15)

I've seen this played once. That was enough for me to know two things: 1) I don't want to play it and 2) I don't need to see it played again. But for those who have children who are so hyper that they need to be running around the kitchen table during would-be boardgaming sessions, maybe this is the one for you.
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A failure again, I am. My children (all of them: ages 3 through 11) think the occasional session of Eiertanz is a delightful treat. So I suggest it to them periodically.
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Kid hyperactivity isn't a parental failure. It's just that some children are, uh, more demanding than others.
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Boy, I'm torn on this one. My daughter is the perfect "type" for this, but I'm sure I'd hate it. I'll have to think about it some more.
8. Board Game: Kupferkessel Co. [Average Rating:7.04 Overall Rank:400]
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8) Kupferkessel Co. - 7.641, 215 ratings of 7+ (291 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 2nd -- FORM: 142.2 (5)

I've seen this one listed by a lot of people as a good kids game. I have no reason to doubt it. When our kids are older, I should look into it. Box says for ages 8 and up, so that puts it firmly into the school-age category. But is it really just a good game kids happen to be able to play?
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I do so love this game. Theme, mechanics, art. It's charming, and fun, and there's too much going on to calculate everything, but all the pieces in this set collection and memory game are on the board to see so you could spend a long time thinking about it. The recipe cards push it out of the 'kid' category in my opinion, with so much going on, but I imagine it will be fun to play with my son when he's older.
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I'm not sure I would call this a "kids game". Good for some kids - yes. But so is Atlanteon or King's Gate. I would also have to agree that using the recipe cards (optional)seems to put it out of the kids category.
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Not a kid's game per se, but playable (sans recipe cards) by a game-savvy 6 year old.
9. Board Game: Weapons & Warriors - Castle Siege Game [Average Rating:5.58 Overall Rank:4592]
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9) Weapons & Warriors - Castle Siege Game - 7.62, 25 ratings of 7+ (116 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 44th -- FORM: 50.5 (38)

Looks like Advanced Crossbows & Catapults to me. Why not just go outside and play with a slingshot or BB gun?

I have a theory here, but it won't necessarily be taken well by some. I think some of these gadget games that hurl things designed to destroy the target are secretely cherished by adult males. Call me a bigot if you will, but that's my guess.
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Why go outside and shoot a BB gun or slingshot in a residential neighborhood, when you can destroy things inside tthe comfort of your own home? I think the real question is what distinguishes a set-em-up, knock-em-down "game" from merely constructing forts out of Lincoln Logs, placing plastic army men inside, and then trying to knock them down from a distance by throwing building blocks. Depending on how spectacular the results are, it's certainly possible for a game like this to be better than the public domain version.

Of course these sort of games are boosted by adult males who cherish the idea of destroying things. Nothing secret about it -- I think most guys' reaction to the idea of hurling a volkswagon with a homemade catapult would be "Cool!". Destroying things is fun.

Less than two weeks to Independence Day now. I've got to find some illegal fireworks and blow something up.
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I think the real question is what distinguishes a set-em-up, knock-em-down "game" from merely constructing forts out of Lincoln Logs, placing plastic army men inside, and then trying to knock them down from a distance by throwing building blocks. Depending on how spectacular the results are, it's certainly possible for a game like this to be better than the public domain version.

I have many very fond memories of this sort of thing. I also would build spaceships out of Legos and toss them across the room just to see them explode.

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I think most guys' reaction to the idea of hurling a volkswagon with a homemade catapult would be "Cool!".

I hate to step into this, but that does sound really cool.
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You're not a bigot you're just describing a large percentage of the American Male population. I'm not too much into it myself, but some most of my friends are.
10. Board Game: Hare & Tortoise [Average Rating:6.72 Overall Rank:454]
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10) Hare and Tortoise - 7.62, 565 ratings of 7+ (911 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 6th -- FORM: 239.3 (1)

Not sure this belongs on the list. It's not listed as a "children's game" in the database, but most people seem to think of it that way. I think it's just a good "family game," and isn't really all that great without kids involved. Anyway, it's surprising that this Spiele des Jahres winner rates lower than Dorada when you remove all the thumbs-up votes (the 7-and-above lot). In fact, it's also behind Kupferkessel & Co, Mole in the Hole, that Eggdance thing, and Apples to Apples Jr, too.

No surprise that this game is #1 in FORM, meaning that it's the best game in terms of availability, quality, and lack of wildly divergent opinions. It's had so many more votes than any other game on this list that it was almost assured of the #1 FORM slot.
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This is one that fell flatter than flat, both with my kids and my wife. The fun factor is very low--the math factor very high. I would not call this a children's game at all.
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By the inventor's admission this game suffers from being an adult game that looks like a children's game. I like it a lot, but I think it's definitely a twelve-and-up.
11. Board Game: Klondike [Average Rating:6.37 Overall Rank:1714]
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11) Klondike - 7.616, 43 ratings of 7+ (90 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 26th -- FORM: 93.7 (11)

Another find that I think I'll have to look into when the kids are older. Panning for gold with a real silvery dish and marbles representing gold and gravel. Sounds like a lot of fun, but I think it'd have to be much older kids to handle the dexterity elements.
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The dexterity aspect is not an issue with younger players, the betting/gambling aspect is. Younger kids may not get it.
12. Board Game: Halli Galli [Average Rating:5.87 Overall Rank:2523]
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12) Halli Galli - 7.595, 63 ratings of 7+ (170 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 32nd -- FORM: 71.2 (19)

The box says "6 and up," so I guess it's a kids game. Funny, all the pictures on the 'geek seem to show adults playing it. So, do adults consider it a party game? A drinking game? I dunno. Seems a little too much like an educational game to me. You know, in the way Fizz Buzz is educational.
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Suitable and educational for anyone who wants to do arithmetic based on the number five. We recommend this for age five and up.
13. Board Game: The Mole in the Hole [Average Rating:6.39 Overall Rank:1402]
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13) Mole in the Hole, the - 7.588, 50 ratings of 7+ (116 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 3rd -- FORM: 80.4 (16)

Looks like the box says "8 and up," so it's a kids game. Funny thing: I've been introduced to a lot of games on these two geek lists that are obviously designed for kids, but they were presented to me as just good games from Germany. I wonder if there is less of a stigma against kid games in Germany than here.

Anyway, I liked this one as an adult. So if my kids like it (give 'em a few years), that'll just make it better.
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My copy says for eight and up, though my kids, now 4 and 6, were able to play just fine. They actually like it enough to remember to ask for it.
14. Board Game: Sub Search [Average Rating:5.46 Overall Rank:4878]
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14) Sub Search - 7.571, 13 ratings of 7+ (73 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 40th -- FORM: 25.6 (56)

Secret information. 3-D Battleship. I don't mind Battleship, so I'd probably enjoy this one somewhat, though I'd probably prefer the 2-D game.
15. Board Game: Heimlich & Co. [Average Rating:6.37 Overall Rank:886]
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15) Under Cover - 7.56, 250 ratings of 7+ (523 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 15th -- FORM: 156.8 (3)

This game is so underappreciated that it isn't even listed as a children's game here on BGG. I can't find an image of the back of the box. If it says 14+ or something like that for the age (hell, even if it says 10+), I'll consider it to be an "adult game." Until then, I'm logging it as a kiddie game. And a good one at that (but I really like secret identy games).

And if Great-Grandma Gertrude asks for a good game for a third grader, this might be the ticket, what with that strong FORM score.
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My copy says for 8 and up. I've yet to play it with my kids though.
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My copy says 8 - adult.
16. Board Game: The Magnificent Race [Average Rating:6.17 Overall Rank:2684]
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16) Magnificent Race, The - 7.554, 26 ratings of 7+ (59 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 34th -- FORM: 51.4 (37)

Is this based on the old cartoon from the 70s (or maybe earlier)? I remember the name "Dastardly Dan" from that show (along with "Penelope Pitstop"). Anyway, it looks like a fun, old-school game.
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Still have it. Played it a ton as a kid. Now it holds a certain nostalgic fun for me. Back in the 70s this game was a lot more fun than the standard fare!
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Looking at the picture, I don't think this game has anything to do with the "Wacky Races" TV show with Dick Dastardly (voiced by Paul Winchell), Muttley (voiced by Don Messick), and Penelope Pitstop (voiced by the Janet Waldo), although "Wacky Races" was based on "The Great Race" movie with Tony Curtis, Natalie Wood, Jack Lemmon, and Peter Falk.
17. Board Game: Key to the Kingdom [Average Rating:4.84 Overall Rank:5857]
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17) Key to the Kingdom - 7.548, 19 ratings of 7+ (163 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 58th -- FORM: 40.1 (44)

I know nothing about this game (though I may actually own it). Looks too fantasyish for me, but others will surely take a shine to it. For those who don't give it a thumbs-up, it rates very low in the list (56th out of 69).
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Taught it to my kids last year, it's too slow. I did not think it would ever end. It would have been cute for a 20 min. game but it lasted well over an hour.
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I had the same experience as Blake. :(
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We had this, in fact I'm sure my parents have still got it somewhere. Only ever played once or twice, both because it was long and because, as I vividly recall, it had one of the worst rule sets ever. This was one of those games that makes you shake your head in bewilderment, asking yourself "Did anyone playtest this game at ALL???" Ambiguities and lacunae in the rules arose constantly.

If we had taken the time to battle through these issues and play a bunch of times, we probably could have established a satisfactory set of house rules and rendered the game enjoyable. I do think the board gimmick was kind of neat, and something I haven't seen anywhere else. (I'm not sure how well you can see it in the picture, but there are two whirlpools, and when you jump into one--the board is folded over on itself and the whirlpool is a hole in the top layer--the board unfolds, expanding and changing the territory. But alas, the designer & publisher didn't take the time to refine this game to the point of functionality, and neither did we.
18. Board Game: Midnight Party [Average Rating:6.45 Overall Rank:965]
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18) Midnight Party - 7.545, 134 ratings of 7+ (274 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 16th -- FORM: 123.9 (6)

This game sounds like a lot of fun. I may even own it (my brother had it for his son, and I may have gotten it somehow). Otherwise, I know nothing more than what I can read here on BGG and that sounds interesting.
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My elder two (two and six years of schooling) think that Midnight Party is a load of fun. It's sufficiently compelling that my wife - who normally confines herself to word games - is happy to play to. One of the few games that works for my whole family.
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Good family game thumbsup
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I paid good money for this on EBay... and it makes my little ones cry. They don't like getting "captured" by the ghost. I've tried all sorts of things to make it a gentler experience, but, nothing seems to work.

I suppose time will correct it. Once they're older they'll do better with it.
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Hugo isn't scary :D. He just wants to play.
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I've played this a lot with various adults and it always goes over well....though it always amazes me that the more childish the game, the more adult the language from the players :what:
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High on my radar.
19. Board Game: Rat-a-Tat Cat [Average Rating:6.22 Overall Rank:1331]
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19) Rat-a-Tat Cat - 7.541, 96 ratings of 7+ (213 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 19th -- FORM: 102.9 (10)

If our kids get the hang of card games (I have a theory that some just never do come to enjoy card games), then this one may be necessary.
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I'd say this is a preschool-2nd grade game. Corsari is probably better from 2nd grade on up.
20. Board Game: Reiner Knizia's Amazing Flea Circus [Average Rating:5.90 Overall Rank:2681]
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20) Reiner Knizia's Amazing Flea Circus - 7.533, 30 ratings of 7+ (100 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 18th -- FORM: 50.3 (39)

Looks cute. That's all I can say, as I'm otherwise unfamiliar with it. On the other hand, Knizia's adult press-your-luck game Zirkus Flohcati is outstanding.
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It is cute. Nice graphics, nice bits, very accessible rules. I think it'd be good for very young children, but I can't imagine any typical >7-year-old enjoying it much. I'd never play without a kid-type-person present.

(I haven't played this game with a literal child, but a Down Syndrome relative of my wife enjoys it a bunch.)
21. Board Game: Dino Hunt [Average Rating:5.16 Overall Rank:5570]
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21) Dino Hunt - 7.5, 35 ratings of 7+ (171 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 52nd -- FORM: 61.8 (27)

I so want to remove this from the list, but with no personal knowledge, I can't say if it's explicitly targeted at kids or not. See, the words "Steve Jackson Games" and "children" just don't mix in my mind. If you folk tell me that this is surely NOT a kids game, I'll strike it from the record and feel much better. Also, for people who don't rate it highly (most people), it rates #52 amongst these school-ager games.
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According to the SJ Games website, "this is a family game for two or more players, age 8 and up," so I think you're on solid ground.
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This one was marketed toward kids. It was even sold in one of those "Discovery" type stores. The theme - I have a time machine and I am trying to capture the best selection of dinos from the past - is clearly a kid concept. The mostly accurate details on the cards about a huge variety of dinosaurs is the kind of thing an 8 year old will already know better than the adults. The web-site that tracks our changing understanding of these beasts and identifies anything that has changed since the cards were printed is also clearly aimed at kids (and educators).

So I think this falls safely in the kids category. The game play isn't great but it isn't bad. Kids seem to enjoy it more than the adults. Adults seem to enjoy the fact that the kids know so much more than they do. The game has enough luck that it doesn't usually leave anyone behind by very much. I think the "family" tag in this case means that the adults will be more interested in seeing their kids play and learn and there will still be something to keep the adults occupied and engaged. It's not really going to be any intellectual challenge for the adults.
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The game came with plenty of dinosaur cards, but also had booster packs with more dinosaurs and item cards. My son (now 14) has enjoyed playing it for years. He got up a game of this (with adults) a couple of months ago at one of our Game Nights. There is strategy to it, but very basic (on your turn try to get to the prehistoric eras that currently have the most or the easiest-to-catch dinosaurs).
22. Board Game: The aMAZEing Labyrinth [Average Rating:6.30 Overall Rank:960]
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22) Amazing Labyrinth - 7.492, 284 ratings of 7+ (732 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 9th -- FORM: 173.5 (2)

There seem to be no shots of people playing this game. Not one cute kid playing it. So, does anyone play it? I did once, but not with kids as I recall. A top 10 game amongst those who don't rate it 7+ (I know that sounds odd, but what I mean is that when you remove the "good" ratings, it's the 9th most well-liked game from this list). And if it weren't for Hare & Tortoise, this would have the most thumbs-up votes (284).

Is this game as common as dirt? Does everyone have a copy? I ask because of its #2 position in both total votes and FORM. It's a very steady game in regards to ratings, if middleish in the pack, but has a lot of votes.
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I have 2 copies from thrifting.

I originally played this only with adults and it made for a good challenge. We had fun also! I played it with a group of 10-11 year olds and they were able to grasp the concept, but it's a completely different game compared to playing with adults. Not a game for the family if you want a challenge. Great game as long as it's kids vs. kids & adults vs. adults. I recently traded for Master Labyrinth, but haven't had a chance to play it yet.
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My 8.5 year old daughter absolutely loves this game and requests it all the time. After taking a few games to get the hang of things, she does really well. If you are one of those types that insists on some educational value to kid's games, I think there is a lot here about planning and spatial relationships.
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I play this with my kids. The 10yo does well at it, the 8yo and 6yo have trouble with it. I enjoy it, though.
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My daughter (now 5) started playing this against adults when she was 4. This is a game that is very easy to handicap. Just let the kids look for more cards at once than the adults. For example, my 4 year old daughter can look at all the cards in her hand whereas the adults must go for the object on their top card. Had some surprisingly close games...
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Just played this a couple days ago with some friends. Man, does it bring back some good memories!

Quite a fun game. Childish, yes, but fun nonetheless.
23. Board Game: Rivers, Roads & Rails [Average Rating:4.90 Overall Rank:5768]
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23) Rivers, Roads, and Rails - 7.476, 13 ratings of 7+ (95 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 55th -- FORM: 30.2 (52)

I had a chance to buy this recently, but when I saw that it's not about rivers, roads, or rails, and is rather just a donimo-ish game, I passed. Abstracts in the kid world. Yuch.
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Add in the fact that the choice you have to play in your turn is more often "Can I play a tile?" than "Where should I play a tile?" and it gets really old fast. This one, in my opinion, belongs on the preschool list since none of my school-age children have ever been willing to play - even the ones that had played as preschoolers. But it will rank poorly there too.
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We literally never finished a game of this -- always got bored and quit first.
24. Board Game: The Sinking of the Titanic [Average Rating:5.81 Overall Rank:4035]
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24) Sinking of the Titanic, The - 7.476, 11 ratings of 7+ (70 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 36th -- FORM: 20.1 (63)

I played this one (also at the Gathering, where it seems I've played a lot of kids games. Hmmm.). I enjoyed it, even if it was a bit macabre.

Look at that low FORM. The decision is quite split. There's a huge disparity between the ratings between 7 and 10. Lots of hand-wringing when rating a game about trying to swim to safety after your boat capsizes--even if you have to push a few kids out of the way to save your neck.
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The first part of the game is rather fun as you rescue passengers, gather supplies, and race to the lifeboats. The second part, where you pilot the lifeboat, is rather pointless since there's no incentive to do anything other than head directly to where the rescue ship will appear and wait for the Titanic to finish sinking.
25. Board Game: Pig Pile [Average Rating:5.72 Overall Rank:3544]
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25) Pig Pile - 7.471, 42 ratings of 7+ (152 total ratings). Thumbs-down rank: 35th -- FORM: 79.2 (17)

This game sounds kind of Uno-y. Some cards cause chaotic things to happen. Probably won't investigate it further.
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Yep, pretty chaotic. Yep, sorta like Uno. I'm not one of those "the mentally superior player must win" guys, but I found this game a little frustrating in that no matter how hard you tried, there was almost nothing you could do to improve your chance of winning.

I like games that have a nice dose of luck, but when the luck percentage hits the high 90's... :yuk:

Still, I'd rather play this than Uno. It'd be a nice gift for non-gamer kids. As with RK's Flea Circus, above, it's got very nice illustrations and a fun, cheery atmosphere. I just wouldn't choose this as a light filler for gamers.

If anyone is thinking of this for young kids, the main skill necessary for play is comparing the values of numbers (higher/lower). Look at your hand, find a card that is higher than the card on top the draw pile, and play it. If the kid can manage that, they can play this game.
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Hey Randy, nice list.

I have a couple of comments. First, rating kids' games is really, really hard. I rate all my games from my point of view, using the method advocated by the Geek, which is basically how likely I am to suggest or play a game. I qualify that as, "In my average situation," which is usually with adult gamers. But I've got two little ones (6 and 2) and when I'm playing with them, my suggestions change a lot. This makes it really tough for me to rate kids' games.

Second, and I think this is more important - a lot of the games you have on this list, especially the ones that are higher up, are games that I think target kids, but that adults tend to enjoy. There are a lot of us that like the idea of rolling that marble down Fireball Island, for instance. Does this mean it's the best game for a kid? I don't know. It seems more likely that what you have here is a list of games that are made for kids, but that adults might enjoy on their own.

I don't know, I'm just sort of babbling.

I think the only way to really know which games are the "best" kids games are to take only those raters who are kids, and have them rate the games based on the standard criteria. Adults rating kids' games is not likely to generate any meaningful data, no matter how you parse it.
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If this is just a numerical exercise, then fine...


I don't think it's just a "numerical exercise" -- I think it's approaching targeted-to-kids games from a different angle (this particular angle being "how highly is this game rated by people who like this game"). Sometimes, seeing things from a different angle can lead to insights -- personally, I've adjusted my ideas about which games I might try with my kids based on these lists, so they've been informative (aka helpful) to me.

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but I still don't see these lists as being helpful. There are much better lists out there that compile great games for kids.


Honestly, I'm failing to see the point of your continuing to assert your low opinion of this list. You don't find it helpful (you say to-MAY-to); others do (they say to-MAH-to). There are lists that you find more helpful than this, so clearly, those will be the ones for you to look to -- better yet, you could create or add to one that fills your bill. Problem solved!
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Igloo Pop didn't get categorized as a children's game (thus not a candidate for the list), but I'd like to see how it fairs using your scoring method. I think it's great with school-aged kids.

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What about Tic Tac Check??? My six year old now whips out the chess board because she learned to play using Tic Tac Check which was designed to teach kids basic chess moves.
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Just wanted to add that I appreciate your criteria for kids games on BGG. When rating Dino Hunt I came across the problem that my girls love playing, love the cards, learn a lot...so how do I rate it??? I rated it from my kids point of view. I find your list useful because it is defined and focused for anyone who takes the time to read your intro.

Additionally, thanks for a list that takes us all beyond Sorry, Monopoly, and Chutes and Ladders. Also thanks for a list that focuses on kids as a target (BGG Jr)...isn't that how we all started before we choked on Atlantic Wall or fell in love with ASL?
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