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Have you ever been involved in a game where somebody at the table just totally flipped out? I'm talking throwing a temper tantrum, threatening people, crying, flipping the table over, whatever. Drama. If so, add it to this list. I've got a couple of semi-lame anecdotes of my own to add but I'm counting on others to add their own stories.

There will be a nice geekgold reward for the most entertaining episode. No made up stories though. I will be checking references...

WINNERS

1st Place geekgoldgeekgoldgeekgoldgeekgoldgeekgold - #23: Alex nearly drops Brad off a second story balcony over a game of Trivial Pursuit.

2nd Place geekgoldgeekgoldgeekgold - #20 (comment): Drunk bully and sober guy assault each other with night sticks and smash car windows over a game of Diplomacy.

3rd Place geekgold - #26: Mel turns into a living Frankenstein and tries to choke Steve over a game of Warhammer 40K.

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#22 - An acoustic guitar is smashed over a game of Supremacy.
#35 - A D6 draws blood over a game of Supremacy.
#65 - Corey bursts into tears after his pet bear is shrunken and punted across a river in a game of D&D.
#61 - Greg Jackson slams a door into his brother Simon's face over a game of Warhammer.
#31 - Ron interrupts worship at a Hindu temple with a blood curdling scream over a game of Puerto Rico.
#47 - Erik's college aged friend breaks down in tears after a bad move in Fortress America.

SPECIAL PRIZE
#40,#41 geekgold - Dennis entertains us with a pair of fantastic stories about an old guy who plays the whole table in Poker and a snot nosed kid who learns a life lesson in humility in Blood Bowl.

Thanks to everyone for the great stories!
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1. Board Game: Bang! [Average Rating:6.82 Overall Rank:336]
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So we sit down to play a game of Bang at one of these game day events. This one guy sits down grudgingly - not because he wants to play but because he can't stand the thought of not playing a game for more than 10 minutes. The game begins and almost immediately so does the grumbling.

"Why are you shooting at me? That doesn't make any sense! This game has too much luck in it."

The bullets start flying and the guy is the first one killed off. He slams his fist down on the table, says "That's the stupidest game I've ever played" and storms off. Everyone at the table had a good laugh...
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I think he was right :p
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This game is fun but not "high strategy". Wild West Munchkin. WWM - is that copyrighted? Its like flicking peanuts at each other but does not have the benefit of hitting innocent by-standers.
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So, he didn't quite understand the social element in this game. Still, knocking him out early would have benefitted everyone so all's well that ends well.
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I'm pretty sure I'm that guy...
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that is awesome. I play this with coworkers at lunch. Imagine that happening at a work place. We had a coworker for a while that started yelling at people at work when he was getting killed! We also had a new guy for a while point at people he was shooting, he about smacked someone in the face before he stopped. This game brings it out in people.
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Another one of these game day events. We sit down to a nice game of Mare Nostrum with some new guy. About halfway into the game he asks me to promise that I won't attack him so he can go invade someone else. I promise. He makes his moves and leaves himself wide open for invasion. I invade.

He turns to me and goes on like a 30 minute tirade about how his personal ethics would never allow him to break a promise like that. And didn't I have any personal ethics and I must be a really dishonest person and how could I live with myself if my word didn't mean anything.

The guy was teetering right on the edge of sanity for a few moments - it was like his whole world vision had been shattered and he was struggling to come to grips with this new reality. Everyone was kind of nervously watching the guy and wondering when the weapon was going to come out but finally he calmed down and we finished the game. I don't remember who won.
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You made me play The Gothic Game... you have no ethics.
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dude, I have met that guy!! Expect the first time I met him it was all an "act" to get me off balance and feeling remorseful (in a game of Diplomacy). Fortunately he got his ass handed to him because he was such a jerk, the rest of the board basically decided to do anything and everything to make sure he lost. He went from like 13 supply centers to 3. Glorious.

I've almost met that "gal" in my old bosses wife. We were playing a game of Bohnanza and I said I didn't have 2 of a certain bean, but I would trade 1 of that bean for like 2 of her cards. She said ok, but then the next turn I traded another of those beans she asked if I had 2 of to someone else. SHE FLIPPED OUT. She started talking about how I had no integrity or sense of morality and I was a lier and it was just a horriable thing, etc.

Everyone else at the table looked at her like she was nuts but she refused to budge on her comments.

Needless to say, we never played Bohnanza again. =p
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As far as Struggle of Empires goes, that game has one of the lamest and most artificial alliance mechanisms I have ever seen. I bid to tell you who you are forced to be friends with? I think not!


Think of the bids as the costs, in the broadest sense, of the diplomatic process - which in real life could result in a forced alliance between, say, the US and USSR.
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I had someone backstab me in a Game of Thrones lately. But I got back to him in the following game of Pandemic. That'll show him!
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I had someone backstab me in a Game of Thrones lately. But I got back to him in the following game of Pandemic. That'll show him!


Being willing to subject the entire planet to the ravages of the dreaded Blue Flu and Red Fever, just to avenge a slight from a fellow gamer? That's worth an honorable mention in my "you're my hero" contest!
3. Board Game: Scrabble [Average Rating:6.46 Overall Rank:691]
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Our family has a long tradition of Thanksgiving Scrabble. It's a fairly competetive game. My father does crosswords and my brother has a PhD, so they have huge vocabularies. Usually they finish 1-2 and my mom and I duke it out to not be last.
One fateful day my father got to go first. He played a seven letter word and tried to stretch it to go from the starting star to the triple-letter score in the middle right. There are 8 spaces there, so his word wound up one short. He scored quite a few points, anyhow, just over 100 if I recall correctly.
He then spun the board (they have the lazy-susan deluxe Scrabble) to me. I couldn't believe my luck. I not only had a seven letter word, but it had an "S" and I could drop it on the end of his word. I played my word and scored ridiculous points, nearly 200 between the triple score on both our words and the bonus for a 7 letter word.
My father announced that he had played his word in the wrong place and now wanted to move it. I insisted that his turn was over and my play should count. He called me a cheater. I said that if he moved his word, he'd be a cheater. He moved his word and the whole board when he flipped it up into the air.
He left the table. I cleaned up the board angrily then retreated to the basement. Later my mom can down with food because my dad was refusing to eat Thanksgiving dinner with me after being called a cheater.
He didn't speak to me until Christmas Eve. (And no, that's not a record).
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That is a long time over a Scrabble game. Just to state the obvious.
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You're allowed to form multiple words in one turn in Scrabble; the example of play in most editions I've seen includes just such an instance of someone creating multiple two-letter words in the course of playing their word for the turn. The rule is basically that you're allowed only one line of letters per turn; however many words branching off that line you can create is gravy.
This is true, my brother in particular likes to create many small words in a block with a single letter placement; but that still requires building off an existing word. In the given example the second word didn't build off an existing word, he placed all his letters in a single row (which is a decent rule of thumb for legal plays) but none of his letters were playing off an existing word. As far as I know (according to my own rules interpretation) you have to play on at least one letter in a previously-placed word.

Example:

_____S
_____M
_____I
_____L
_____E
TIGERS

Playing "SMILE" is only legal when "TIGERS" is already plural which, in this case, makes it impossible to form two words with one play. If you play "SMILES" on "TIGER" you are not using a letter in an existing word, therefore you are not playing off an existing word. I am fairly certain the rules specify you must use a letter already played.
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If you play "SMILES" on "TIGER" you are not using a letter in an existing word, therefore you are not playing off an existing word. I am fairly certain the rules specify you must use a letter already played.


You are correct that you are not using a letter from a previous word. In fact you are using five of them (T, I, G, E, and R). Perfectly valid as far as I understand it.
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koehn wrote:
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If you play "SMILES" on "TIGER" you are not using a letter in an existing word, therefore you are not playing off an existing word. I am fairly certain the rules specify you must use a letter already played.


You are correct that you are not using a letter from a previous word. In fact you are using five of them (T, I, G, E, and R). Perfectly valid as far as I understand it.
Well actually... it uses no letters from a previous word, as I stated, but it is still a legal play. I have looked at the "Official Tournament Rules" in order to satisfay my curiosity.
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2.Place a word at right angles to a word already on the board. The new word must use at least one of the letters already on the board or must add a letter to a word or words on the board.
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H A R M
A
D

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__A
A R M
__I
__D
They key portion of the rule I had overlooked is in bold, adding to a word in play can be done in place of actually playing off a word already on the board. The word "HAD," according to the rules, uses no letters from "ARM" but is still legal because it adds to "ARM." My interpretation of the rules was incorrect.

Commence saving face:
Well, at least I was right that this particular situation doesn't count as using letters in play... :shake::p Too bad I missed the other half of the rule.
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My wife and I played this often before I found the Geek. I always won, not always by a large margin; but always (and I love my wife for still gaming with me).

So one game, she was dominating, I wasn't getting good draws and she was playing a great game. I started catching up towards the end, but was still down by 21 points and the only tile left to play was the z on my rack. As I looked at the board, I conceded the game to her, and I could tell she felt good.

But, alas, I'm a gamer and I'm in it until the end... there was a double word score sitting in front of an a tile, so I plopped my z down, spelling za. I didn't think it was a word, but it was the only possibility for me to get enough points.

I pick up the the dictionary, and lo and behold za: pizza. I won by 1 point.

Mwa ha ha ha. In the face of defeat I had crushed my enemy, seen her driven before me, and oh boy did I hear some lamentations. I'm living the dream! On the couch.


Technically, as soon as you conceded the game you LOST, so you didn't win by 1 point. You didn't win at all.

It's like setting you king down and chess and saying "I concede. But let me just see what would happen if I made this one more move..."

If I was your wife I would have just smiled after looking up "za" and say, "Well hey, it is a word after all, I guess you shouldn't have conceded. LOL."
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Back when my sister and I were around 13 and 15 respectively, we played what became our last family game of Risk.

She was down to just one space and was about to be eliminated. She asked me not to attack her. I refused. She picked up all the dice and left.

We ended there and never played Risk again. I guess that game is officially still in process. Maybe I'll bring some dice up the next time I visit her...
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Funny story. :laugh:
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We once played a Risklike game in highschool, i forgot the name, but it was in Japan, moves were simultaneous, provinces were of variable value, combat was 1:1 and get this IF YOU TAKE THE OPPONENT'S CAPITOL YOU CONTROL THEM!
Well, I was doing well with my team, my best friend was doing well with his. We made a pact to not attack each other and concentrate on the other 3 or 4 players.
You all know exactly what I did on the very next turn, took his capitol, made him my lacky and went on to win handily.
This was over 10 years ago, and to this date we cannot play a game without him coming after me for revenge. Of course, I know he's going to do it and use his transparency to my advantage more often then not.
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Does anyone who plays this game not have a story like this?
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Risk...6 mates round a table looking forward to an evening of beer and dice. Halfway through round 2 Robin starts. "Stop! I forgot to take my reinforcements last round." The rest of us, amused; "You can't do it now, its too late". Robin's chubby countenace flashed scarlet and the board exploded plastic armies all over the room. Game over.

One week later Risk...6 mates round a table looking forward to an evening of beer and dice. Halfway through round 2 Robin starts. "Stop! I forgot to take my reinforcements last round." The rest of us, slightly anxious but unwilling to concede the point; "You can't do it now, its too late"...well, you know the rest...

Can't stand the game...
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Dude, you have to finish that game.. else 19th century soldiers will spill out into our world and mayhem will ensue.
5. Board Game: 10 Days in the USA [Average Rating:6.55 Overall Rank:777]
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When I first got this game there were a bunch of small hangups keeping us from playing that made it so my wife was asking about it around 9:30 P.M. It had been a long tired day for both of us and I told her that I didn't want to try and explain the rules because either I wouldn't say something clearly or she wouldn't understand and both of us would just get mad. She persisted so I relented and we started picking tiles to put in our trays. When she tried to shuffle them around she said that it must be the dumbest most impossible game ever and that she was going to bed. She spologized the next day and proceeded to kill me the first few times it was played.

I thought of writing a session report, but it would have only been about two lines.
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Although it didn't end in an argument, we had a strange event with the Africa version. Myself, my wife and her parents (all avid gamers) were finishing off an excellent evening of games (Ra, Settlers, Villa Paletti if I remember) with just one more game, I suggested 10 Days.., which my wife and I enjoy.

Now, we were all fairly well "fortified" by this time so the rules explanation was probably less-than-stellar. After the initial hand of tiles was picked, we started the game, swapping out tiles usual. After several rounds, my mother-in-law pipes up "so...when does the actual game start?" She thought the tile exchanging was just part of the set up and was waiting to do something "on the board". When I said "We're playing it! This IS the game", quizzical glances were exchanged and my father-in-law says "and how do you win again?" so I explain and he says "Oh" and turns his tile racks around - he'd completed a journey!!"

I think the phrase "over my dead body" was used when discussing their opinions of the game. Hey, I still really like it!
6. Board Game: Medina [Average Rating:7.12 Overall Rank:246]
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At our regular game night one time, a new guy who was passing through town showed up. We'll call him Stan. He was apparently living on a boat and working on sailing around the world... mind you, this happened in Nashville.

Anyway, I had recently picked up a copy of Medina and I was interested in trying it out. We ended up with four players, including myself and Stan. I had read the rules, but none of us had ever played the game before.

On something like the second turn, someone questions the move that Stan just made, wondering if it might put Josh in an overly powerful position.

Stan responds by saying, "Oh, great, I just gave him the game!"

I try to explain that none of us have played before and so we have no way of knowing that, besides, it is only the second turn!

As the game continues, Stan keeps going on and on about how he "gave the game" to Josh.

At the end of the game, I won.

That was odd enough (sometimes players in our group will accuse someone else of "giving the game" to another player as a taunt), but it gets weirder...
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How did he get the boat to Nashville?
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We have the Cumberland River.
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Where did he go AFTER Nashville? Seems like a really roundabout way around the world. Did he have to hug the coast until he found a way around?
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The phrase "Way to hand the game to Brian" has become so overused in my gaming circle that it is now a cliche.
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After the game of Medina where the game was "given away", three of us, including Stan, sat down to play Agora. Stan and I had not played before, but I had the rules. The other player had played all of once.

A couple of turns into the game, Stan makes a comment that his move has given me the game. I again reject this notion because it is too early to know something like that.

As play progresses I point out that I'm falling behind. Stan actually accuses me of intentionally losing to try to prove him wrong about giving me the game.

I explain to him that I wouldn't do that, and the conversation swells into an arguement where he is adamant that I'm trying to lose just to prove him wrong about making me win.

As it turned out, I believe the other player won, and it was time for everyone to go home. Stan continues to insist that I threw the game to spite him.

We never saw Stan again.
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Very funny. The guy was obsessed!
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Maybe he was better of alone on a boat, far from land...
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I wonder if he played Settlers on the boat when he was near Norway.
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:D I actually know what you're referring to here...
8. Board Game: Trivial Pursuit - Star Wars, Classic Edition [Average Rating:5.46 Overall Rank:5211]
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The Endor Incident

This is a story where I lost it. Really. I think this was even at my wife's birthday party, where she wanted to play this game.

We sit down to play. I believe we had three 2-player teams.

Things are progessing nicely, and we are maybe a third of the way into the game when my partner and I land on a pie piece space. We are asked a question that is fairly simple and we respond with the answer "the moon of endor".

The player reading the card says that we are wrong because the answer on the card is "endor". They even vote that our answer is incorrect 3 to 1.

At this point I'm getting a little frustrated. I explain that the prior time I played the game we had a very similar question and the answer on the card had been "the moon of endor" and I had only answered "endor". In addition, we were all Star Wars fans and we all knew what the intent of the questions was, but they stood by their rejection of our answer.

I totally flipped out and I spent the next five minutes looking through the cards to find the counter example I had seen before.

After that, the game was aborted. We never played it again.

Maybe I shouldn't get so hung up on something like that, but it really bugged me to be relegated to spending the next 20 minutes landing on "roll again" in the hopes of landing on the same pie piece space we were on due to a stupid, inconsistent technicality.
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I don't know if I'd have flipped out, but I surely would have pulled out my Star Wars Encyclopedia.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345402278/

Silly stuff like that bugs me as well for some reason. I'd have insisted the card was wrong and the right answer is more important than the card. Ugh.
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The card says 'moops'. Sorry Bubble Boy.
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In the game ¡New Amici!, this kind of dysfunctionality takes on a whole new level, when the other players (who know just as little of the language in question as you) claim you didn't pronounce the answer well enough.
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on day years ago, playing with some family friends, and their dad, a question came up and the answer was "England".

I answered as such, and was told I was wrong. When i questioned it, the dad told me the card said "Great Britain".

I tried to explain to him politely that that is the same place, akin to saying "united stated" and "America", but he wouldnt buy it.

Ignorant, or just juvenille?


You're definitely the former. :shake:
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don't get me started on Trivial Pursuit..


Sort of like Tennessee is part of the USofA but not the same as the USA.

And North America is not the same as the USA either (the USA isn't even the biggest country in North America). Juvenile would be stating that America and the US are not the same (technically one's a country and the other is a landmass which contains other countries, but I think everyone knows what they mean).


Anyone from America's Hat should watch what you say about Tennessee.

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When I used to judge M:tg tournaments I saw some pretty terrible behavior. By and large, competitive magic players are normal people with good sportsmanship. The rare exceptions really give a bad name to the rest of the group. At a Pro-Tour qualifier in DFW in 1998 one player made a mistake that cost him the game (he forgot to pay upkeep on a Masticore, which is a very very strong creature in limited play ) The player then picked up his deck, stepped into the corner and hurled his cards into the corner.
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I once played against a Magic player who would concede if anyone played a counterspell (or counterspell-like) card against him.

Round 3 Counterspell? Concede
Round 2 Boomerang? Concede
Round 5 blue creature card that acts like a Boomerang? Concede
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I would have expected a mention of cheating at MtG tourneys, to draw multitudes of posts of agreement - not people trying to convince the observer that they might have seen something else. It is one reason why I would never consider playing in a tourney - and precisely because the people running the show are usually totally clueless about how to spot cheating, and also overly convinced of their own ability to do so and of the honesty of the average competitive player.

I can't tell you the number of times I saw, in the early days, players with the land in their deck pointing one way and the spells the other, so that they could tell from the back which was which. Although a couple people were ejected for that, mostly the judges just made some lame comment like - oh that probably just happened at random. Every single card in the deck?

I still see a deck now and then where the backs are all the same way, but the sleeves are on one way for lands and the other way for spells.

Also, unless there is some new spell that allows you to keep some cards in your lap - and swap them out with the cards in your hand - then I saw two people cheating at Dragon*Con.

Then there are the ones doing bad false shuffles, including one who let his opponent cut, but then "accidentally" put the two parts back in the wrong order. And they didn't eject him when his opponent called him on it - claiming it must really have been an accident because he was a well-known player who usually wins - so he wouldn't need to rely on cheating. (I have no doubt why he usually wins. If you can just keep a handful of cards near the top of the deck you should be able to beat anyone playing fair.)

The tourneys need more professional magicians and better trained judges.
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We've played magic casually amongst our group for some time now and it's all good fun - we have one tournament level player whose deck building ability really outstrips any of the rest of us but he's extremely good-natured about it and it never really ceases to be fun even when he's ripping us down hard with his latest rogue super-combo.

It wasn't always like this though - we used to play with another guy that had ambitions of being a great tournament level player but really wasn't good enough to cut it and had difficulty resolving this in his head. It was bad enough that he had a habit of eating fried chicken during a game where not all cards were sleeved, but he tended to be quite a bad loser if his new deck idea didn't pan out the very first time out.

Once I remember him bringing a 'great new deck' to the table and facing down our extremely skilled friend with one of his harshest control decks. Needless to say the control deck held up, and upon arriving at about 3 life Mr. Chicken made an indescribable noise and flung his entire library as hard as he could at his opponent's library and then stormed off, refusing to help separate the cards again.

Not the worst we've seen here but I think the worst behavior I've yet seen in a casual game, which makes it kind of worse, I think.
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Ahhh, Magic.... Some pretty tense battles were fought there... :devil:

One of my personal highlights will follow, everybody put on your seatbelts and get ready for the ride.


The settings:

Brussels, Belgium around `99, I think. Sheduled was a PTQ for PT NY played in Extended when Necro-Donate was still allowed. The coming bannings of Dark Ritual, Necopotence and Mana Vault were aleady announced and would kick into effect in a month or so.


The details:

As soon as I sat down for my 6th round match, being at 4-1 at that point, needing one more win to draw into the Top 8, my opponent started cursing me and my deck.
I was playing Necro-Donate which I really loved. I mean wasn't it nice to pack cards like Necropotence, Force of Will and the most retarded combo of Illusions of Grandeur / Donate into the same deck!
My opponent was playing suicide black with all those pesky little zombies and their big brother Phyrexian Negator.


The build up:

My oppontent was already borderline insane when he sat down to play. Cursing about how terrible I was, how terrible my deck was and that it was my fault that he couldn't play his pet deck anymore since Wizards was going to ban Dark Ritual which in turn would make his deck unplayable. He promised to crush me to the ground. All I could do was smile as I wished him good luck and told him to just do as good as he can, which drove him even more nuts.
We split the first 2 games in which he crushed me badly in the first and went down uneneventfully in the 2nd. All the while never ceasing to provoke, rant, curse and moan about me, my deck and everything I did.


The incident:

So the thrid game comes up and he gets to go first. He had a really nice start and put me under an enormous amount of pressure. But in the end I manged to play Illusions and gain 20 life in the process which allowed me to breathe a little. Soon after I felt generous and made him a little gift (which he strangely didn't like! :D)

So I win and he goes completly berserk! Shouting, screaming and what not. It was so funny I couldn't help but sit in my chair giggling frantically. So he turns almost greenish, grabs my deck and HURLS it into my face, me being kinda surprised by that I manage to fall backwards with my chair on the ground. I can tell you that came as a surprise.


The epilogue:

Since he was pretty loud and obnoxious during our game quiet the crowd had gathered around our table and they jumped on him to calm him down. I think he got a 2 year ban for that behaviour...



I quit playing Magic competitivly a few years ago and I must say I don't miss all those crazy, winning addicted MtG'ers not the slightest bit.


I have a similar story using the same generation Trix deck. It's the third round in a PTQ of some sort. I pair up against one of the younger local kids playing a green weenie deck. First game I combo off on 4th turn as his draw is slow. 2nd game he drops out a hoard of green guys and has lethal damage on the board coming into my 3rd turn. I play a Necro with a mox diamond open and then draw a few cards. I then proceed to Firestorm his entire board. Then over the next two turns I combo off as he draws nothing useful. At that point his lip is quivering slightly. I pack up my cards, thank him for the game, and head off to wash off that dirty combo feel.

A little later I was talking to the head judge, who said that the kid had ended up coming upto him crying. The judge had given him a booster to make him feel better. Never saw that kid at a Magic tournament again either.
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10. Board Game: Blokus [Average Rating:7.23 Overall Rank:127]
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Hello:

My name is Punko and I am competitive:

Hi Punko

I have to admit that while playing a New Year's Eve 4 player game of Blokus including my nine year old nephew, I became overly competitive.

Ahh... Oooh...

My sister (playing across from me) started coaching my right hand opponent (my nephew) part way through the game. As she had not blocked all movement by him towards her side of the board, she encouraged him to move to cut me off on my side. she took great pains to evaluate all his moves (on my side of the board) and to logically help him select the best ones. I grew angrier and angrier as my abilities to expand were destroyed.

Yes... I see... >nodding rapt silence spattering of applause and "you can do it Punko" I only wish I could take back that action . . .
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Darn it !

The back half of my submission got lost.

Summary:

I snapped, calling out that my sister was playing two positions, targetting me, and ruining the game. The room went silent, and the game continued, very quickly and quietly.

I ended up after the game, excusing myself from the room and standing in the snow until I calmed down.

Somethings you regret.

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I have had similar problems with a buddies' 12 year old daughter. She's easily influenced, and it's really frustrating when she's being turned against me.
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I ended up after the game, excusing myself from the room and standing in the snow until I calmed down.


Sounds like a wise choice. ;)
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Siblings usually figure out how to push each other's buttons after growing up with each other for 18 years. I'm sure she knew what she was doing and is a little to blame.
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There are few things I hate as much as players who coach another player. Often they are gals coaching their husbands / boy friends. It's like their strategy is . . . I'll get hubby to help me win . . . arrgh !!!

Funny thing is, the hubby often wins :)
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There's always two guys in my gaming group that try to "help" the other players insisting that it's the best play for them. It is CLEAR that even if it is an "OK" move, it helps the helper much more than the helpee. It upsets me and I argue with the helpers often over such moves :)
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I was in high school and one of my friends got this game. It was a WWII game with these great minis. This was probably the coolest game I had ever seen. I was so excited to try it out. The problem is that the males in this particular family get REALLY into games and then egos start colliding. :shake:

It was me and these four brothers playing. The older two start criticizing the younger players' moves.
"If you go there then HE gets an advantage"
"Why would you attack ME when it's much easier to attack HIM"
and so on...

All the younger kids are too scared to do anything on their own for fear of the older brothers. Soon it's just the two 'super powers' battling it out with their own 'vassal states.' A Cold War develops.

The game descends into cathedral-like silence as these two guys get madder and madder at each other. The kids are playing in fear. I try to make my moves as neutral as possible so as not to ignite the volatile situation into a full scale conflageration. ninja

I don't even remember if we finished the game or not. One of the older brothers was ready to storm out, determined not to speak to the other older brother ever again.

At this point their father intervenes. He is a trained marriage and family therapist. It was awesome seeing his techniques in action. Everone started out sitting as far as possible from each other with arms folded, glaring across the room at each other. By the end everyone was crying and hugging.

I secretly resolved never EVER to play games with these guys again. This proved to be a major stumbling block for me and boardgames because these were the only guys I knew who were into it. I didn't get into games for ten more years. The funniest thing is that these are two of the nicest guys you would ever want for friends. They'd do anything for each other... except in games like that.
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Maybe that's why they get so competitive in games? A "competetive outlet" that they didn't have any other way to release?
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It sounds like that guy needed some anger management therapy.



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Take a look at the session report I did for this game. Short version: Back in 2000 I was playing A&A as part of a military course, but was one of only a couple of people who had any experience with it at all. The game itself went back and forth, with me as Britain keeping the Axis off balance, the Russians hanging strong, and the Americans doing nothing but building bombers the whole game. Well, Britain and Russia can hang for a while, but Germany finally pushed Russia out of the game about the time the Americans finally decided to fly their bombers to Africa. The instructor stopped the game at that point and announced an Axis win. Nobody disagreed with the ruling, but one of the Allied players was in the running for an academic reward, and the loss gave him an A-. This was enough to kick him into a distant third for the reward, so he was understandably upset. He politely thanked me for doing such a great job keeping the Allies in the game, but 15 minutes later was in a shouting match in the hallway with the American team! (I was pretty ticked at the American players myself, but kept it to myself until the after action review the following week.)
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I played once in a game where it was me and a freind versus these two brothers who were a little bit older than us (we were in high school, and these brothers where about 20).

Anyway, my friend and I were winning. One of the brothers was taking it in stride, but the other grew more and more upset with each lost territory, and each defeated unit.

The only bright spot he had was that we had an industrial complex out in the middle of nowhere that he was managing to strat bomb every turn with the two bombers he had. All of the AA guns were in play, so we couldn't build one there to protect the complex. We HAD to stop the bleeding though, so we began moving an AA gun from fairly distant space. Turn after turn the AA gun would creep one space closer to the complex, until finally it arrived.

Apparently this guy wasn't paying attention at all becasue on his next turn he sent his two bombers back to get their "free" hit in on the complex. I picked up the dice to make the AA gun roll, and he angrily said "what are you doing?"

I showed him the AA gun. He got really upset and said that we had cheated because there was no gun there. We told him we had been moving it each turn for the last several turns, and his brother even confirmed this.

After about a 20 minute debate over the legitimacy of the gun (complete with raised voices and everything) he finally gave in and angrily allowed the AA gun roll to proceed.....

....of course, a "1" and a "1" came up on the two dice. Both bombers had been shot down.


I have NEVER seen anyone go as ballistic over a game as this guy went. He slammed his fist on the table. He began yelling at his brother, saying "you moron, you're supposed to warn me if you see something like this developing". The second brother basically said that he felt it was so obvious that he assumed the first brother wasn't stupid enough to miss it.

It ended with the guy literally flipping the game board off of the table (sending pieces everywhere) and putting on his shoes and storming out of the house.


It probably didn't help that me and my friend were (quite visibly) laughing out loud during this tirade!

Good memories. :D
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Man, when I was a little kid, I just thought that boardgames ended with someone bashing the board into the air and storming off -- like it was in the rulebook, even. It was years, and more experience being around more normal families, before it occurred to me that this was kind of odd behavior.
12. Board Game: Mare Nostrum [Average Rating:6.85 Overall Rank:381]
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So, I'm playing Egypt and one of my opponents is playing Carthage. Rather than go for a quick hero, I immediately start building up my defenses as she is an aggressive player. Sure enough, the turn before I'm going for my first hero, she hits my one lightly defended territory and sacks a city. I then threaten to take her out any way possible and she states that it isn't fair and is childish to ruin her chances of winning just because she invaded and sacked my city. I vowed to take her down no matter what the cost. her reasoning was that it prevented me from getting a hero and I shouldn't be upset. My reasoning was that it immediately threw both of us out of contention for the rest of the game. She spent the rest of the game trying to prevent other people from winning, and I spent the rest of it just 2 turns behind the leader. I made a big deal out of it, but only made one attack on her provinces (which was repulsed by my lame die rolls) and let her play king stopper the rest of the game. Rome won because he was ignored. So there's my ballistic threat, which was ultimately just a bluff.
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No thanks, I get enough bombast at work. I'll play her way anytime.
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I make threats like that in games all the time ("If you attack me, I will spend every last resource I have to make you lose") but almost never follow through since it's rarely the best strategy.
13. Board Game: Advanced Civilization [Average Rating:7.95 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.95 Unranked]
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Recounted from my Schadenfreude list: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/3722

"You're playing Kingmaker! God Da** F**king Kingmaker." An actual quote from an opponent in a very long game of ACIV at AvalonCon in the Summer of 1995. He'd been on my nerves all day, and I decided to hurt my own modest position by really screwing him over. It was actually very satisfying, I'm ashamed to say.
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I had a pissyfest of my own over Advanced Civ at GenCon this year. Friggin' Thrace was playing a wargame. I hate people who play Advanced Civ like it's either Diplomacy or a wargame. Grr.
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I remember a game at GenCon in the late 80's or early 90's. I took a border area from some guy by force - just a raid on a single area that I wanted, not some sort of general invasion - and the guy went absolutely ballistic on me. He spent the rest of the game attacking me at every opportunity. Most of the other players thought the guy was a jerk, but figured if he was harassing me it was two fewer players they had to worry about.

One sympathetic player (the neighbor on the other side of bad tempered guy) did end up helping me out somewhat, and we hurt him pretty badly, but it prevented me from ever getting close to victory.
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I think I was at that Avaloncon and may have overheard the tirade the OP described. It was the only con I've ever been too. Have to admit that it was that tantrum (or a similar one) along with the general level of intensity in all the games I played (Diplomacy, Pax Britannica, etc.) that soured me on ever going again. I respect healthy competition, but I'd also like to have fun and make a few friends. Too little of that going on at the tables at which I played.
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One of the funniest things I've ever heard around a game table, and I've heard plenty of whoppers, was by neighbor who was sporting a t-shirt which said: Eschew Obfuscation. Midway through a trade round, he had been dealt no less than 6 disasters. He showed me his hand and said:

"Fortunately, I keep a jar of Vaseline handy for such occasions."

I blacked out from laughter. To this day, when an impossibly horrible gaming situation comes up, this quote resurfaces.


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Wow, I'll have to steal that quote.
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I was in a game of ACIV at Origins one year (I think it might have been 1984 in Dallas, but I'm not sure). Two guys who were friends were at the same table and chose Assyria and Babylon, which are adjacent. They began fighting over territory from the very start, which put them way behind. After the first Civil War and some other moving around, their geographical positions were exactly reversed - Assyria was gathered near the top end of the Persian Gulf (Babylon's home area), and Babylon was all up in the northeast corner of the board (Assyria's home area). They formed some sort of alliance then because they were both way behind.

Why didn't they just change seats in the first place? :)
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A friend had some dice that just continued to roll poorly for him, so he took one offending die and surrounded it by the rest of the dice. He then lit the offending die on fire and forced the rest of the dice to watch as punishment for offending him. Rumor has it, his dice began rolling better.

This story just kills me. It was originally posted here
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/14667 (see #18)
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Oh, corporal punishment for dice has a long tradition. Microwaving, placement in a freezer, whatever works. And making the other dice watch is a common maneuver, too.
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Maybe in games the following sentence should be added:

"The dice in this game are not allowed to be punished nor watch punishments of fellow dice. However, if due to any circumstance a die has psychologically or physically been damaged, mail to the Publisher of this game and request a Dice Doctor. This doctor will take care of the damaged die and will also bring a Psychological Dice In Distress Team.... if really needed, player help can be offered too. Tough this might cause the punisher of the dice to be punished and taken to court. So be warned: Never punish dice!"
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Wow...I'm famous! :-)...ok, maybe not...

WiF has it's fair share of stories. At the very first US WiFCON tournament in Lansing, MI, the table next to us saw someone go screaming off, knocking his chair down in anger. Yet when I managed to make a sneaky move and overrun the entire Japanese Navy, capturing 3 of their prize carriers (to be renamed The Curious, The Ridiculous and The Inconceivable), the person that I did it to just got quiet. Real Quiet. Too Quiet.

We took a break from the game at that point, just to make sure everyone was going to be alright....which he was. He went on to win the Sportsmanship award at the tourney because he didn't do anything silly like the guy at the table next to us.

Oh, and yes...it is related to the above....it was the same guy who later became the above mentioned friend!
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Pour encourager les autres... :devil:
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I personally prefer the hammer and anvil method of destruction. I never thought of making the other dice watch though. Maybe that is where I was going wrong.

I've also noticed that D&Ders are the most unforgiving when it comes to dice.
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I'm a pretty quiet guy, and always have been. When I was 11 I had this 9-year-old friend who was having a birthday party. All the other kids there were his age. His older brothers had a bunch of games (this was 1979), including Battle-Cry. I went through the rules and explained them, and we started to play. After a while I drew on a rule that would give me a crushing victory, and which I was sure I'd explained, and one of my opponents said that I hadn't explained the rule and that I was cheating. I saw red because this punk was accusing me of cheating to cover his own memory lapse, and I flipped the board and started yelling at him until my friend's mom came into the room.
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Around 15 years ago I had made up a Football boardgame. My brother and two other friends picked players and were all part of one team while I played the opposition all season long. It was basically a dice fest but we all liked it and there was a lot of yelling, cheering and high-fives all game long. So their team does well and makes it through the playoffs and into the Superbowl. After a great 2nd half comeback they were only down 7 points with less then 30 seconds to go. A long pass and touchdown! They were down by only 1 point. Extra Points were just roll a d20, 1-19 is good, a 20 is a miss. My famous last words to Joe, my friend was "Don't roll a 20!". He rolls the die and sure enough..a 20. He picked up the die and ran outside. A minute he came back in and I asked "What did you do?". "I threw that F***ing dice down the street!" To this day we all still make jokes about throwing dice down the street when we roll horribly! :D
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When it comes to d20's, I witnessed greatness in person. A friend of mine was very keen on being disastrously unlucky at the worst of times. In the days when D&D involved a lot of rolling (hacking and slashing was the flavour for us), he never failed to fail badly at least a few times. This particular time though, he went beyond the call of duty. He rolls a d20 and gets a 1. Everyone laughs because we all knew that in a crunch, Michel rolls 1's. Second critical opportunity, again he doesn't fail to fail: 1.

Now our bellies are hurting and tears running down our cheeks. So Christian the wise suggests a cure to the problem: we shall reverse the matrix just for Michel, a 1 is a 20, 2 a 19, etc. I think we all have seen statistical aberrations in our day, but the look we were sporting when Michel rolled a 20 on the very next roll is not something you would see everyday. The funny thing I also remember is that Michel didn't even flinch when he saw his 20, to him this was all normal. For us, it was a sign from above not to ever be pointman again. Ever.
17. Board Game: Mystery Rummy: Jekyll & Hyde [Average Rating:6.70 Overall Rank:662]
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My wife loves Rummy games, and this was a game that we played to death a couple of years ago. She routinely won the games, so it wasn't unusual in this particular case that she was about 100 points ahead of me. What was unusual was that this was the first game we had played where we had gone through the draw deck completely and had to reshuffle it.

I had two of the four Robert Louis Stevenson cards in my hand, and I deduced after reshuffling the discard deck that my wife had the other two. She had figured out the same thing, but didn't say anything until we were nearly through the draw deck the second time.

"OK," she said, discarding one of the RLS cards, "I guess one of us is going to have to do this if we're going to end this game."

I stared at the card a moment, then looked at the cards we both had in front of us. I could take the RLS card and go out, but she had enough points in front of her to win the game. If I could hold out for one more hand, though, I just might be able to pull off a win.

I checked the rules, and sure enough, it said that if we went through the draw deck twice, the hand was aborted, no points were scored, and we played a new hand. So instead of taking the RLS card, I drew a new card and discarded another, burying the RLS card.

"What are you doing?" she said. I explained the rule that I had discovered.

"You can't ... you're not supposed to ... that's not right! That's not how you're supposed to play the game!" she said. I tried to defend my decision, but she wasn't much interested in my interpretation of the metagame, much less what the hell a metagame even WAS. She insisted that the rule was there to prevent the game from locking, and that I shouldn't exploit it. We played out the hand, but she didn't have the right cards to form another meld, and were forced to play another hand.

To my wife's credit, she played out the next hand, and won the game. It was a short, brutal affair, and few (if any) words were spoken. She shut me out with a transformation card and vaulted farther into the lead, and then left the table. That was the last time this game has been played.
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Ahh, bittersweet victory... but you didn't win. I guess it's a bittersweet Pyrrhic victory.
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...with a Sleep On The Couch clause.
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Let the wookiee win... seriously. I have found that, given a choice between a cheesy win where the game will never get played again, or allowing a defeat in order to be able to play another day, playing another day is ALWAYS the right choice.
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since no one else is giving you credit good job on the metagame move, my wife would have done the same to me!
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To be fair, I should speak of the time that *I* flipped out in a game with my wife.

We play vanilla Rummy a lot, and my wife manages to win nearly every game. I have no idea what her strategy is. She'll sometimes pick up a HUGE number of cards and still manage to go out before me, but when I try to do that, I get stuck with a ton of cards in hand when she goes out. Other times, she only picks up one card at a time, and still manages to score more points than me. I'm mystified, and it frustrates me to no end.

One time, we were playing poolside with my transparent cards (waterproof, donchaknow), and I was growing increasingly frustrated withe my luck. No matter what I tried (see previous paragraph), my wife would go out first, and the score was something like 390 to 5. She went out yet again, when all I had left in my hand was ONE CARD, and I cursed the luck of the draw and slammed the card down on the discard pile. That act was foolish enough, but it was nothing compared to me having to fish the card out of the pool, since it had skipped right off the table between us and landed in the water.

My wife said she wasn't going to play any more with my until I cooled off, and I think my winning response was "Cool?? I'M A FREAKIN' CUCUMBER!!" Of course, I'm waist-deep in a pool as I'm saying this.

Luckily, we HAVE played this a couple more times since then. But she still won't tell me her strategy.
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lol. Actually when I absolutely kill my opponent I like to teach them my strat, everything. The way I see it is that if I never play another player who knows everything I know, then I can never learn and take my game to the next level, I wouldn´t ever know how to counter my own tricks and strats.

I am not so concerned about beating the guy in front of me, but having an opportunity to improve my game so I can beat better players. See if you can persuade your wife to think that way. But if she gets more kick out of beating you than improving her game, I can totally understand that too. That´s just what couples do. :p
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Not too many strategies in Rummy. Just little things to do. Seed the discard pile with something you CAN pick up so you can get more cards and make more points. Basically, don't let the discard pile be luck of the draw. One of the best things you can do... until they pick up the pile because they did the same thing.

If you start your hand with almost.. well, gin if you were playing gin... then I like to wait until I get the card or two I need to play it all at once. Usually by that time my opponent has put stuff down that I'll lay off on, but if you wait for them to pick up the pile before you go out it can hurt them bad. The nice thing about this is if you do it a couple of times you train them to play with caution when you don't lay down card. If you get a bad hand and haven't made any plays they think you're going to stick them and don't go wild with scoring.

These are one's pretty obivous. If you're going to hold on to some cards, hold on to the things that can be used for multiple uses. (3c, 3d, 4c - then a 2c, 5c, 3h or 3s will let you play two of those cards) 3,4 is better than 3,5 since one give you 2 cards in the deck that you're waiting for instead of 1. 1/26 (3.8%) vs 1/52 (1.9%)
19. Board Game: Trivial Pursuit [Average Rating:5.21 Overall Rank:5797]
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Sometime back in the 80s I was on a camping trip with my Mom and some friends. I was maybe 11 years old at the time. Anyway, we start playing Trivial Pursuit, and I land on a pie space. It was orange, which is sports, which I'm generally not very good at. So my mother reads me the question, and I give her this funny look that says "Gee, that's a hard question." So she takes that as a cue and just blurts out the answer, saying "oh you never would have got that." She puts the card away and the turn moves to the next player.

Well, I flip out. I start yelling and ranting about how I would have come up with the answer on my own, and why did she just say it, and I should get another question. I never *said* I wasn't going to answer it. She just assumed I wasn't going to because it was hard. I got so mad, I ran away from the campsite and hung out by a stream in the middle of the forest for a couple of hours.

But here's the catch: I *did* know the answer, because I cheated. I had looked at the answer on the card before-hand, and I was going to act like the question was all tough, but then just pull the answer out of thin air. The reason I was so mad was that my little scheme fell over, but only because my Mom blurted out the answer before I could cheat.

I don't cheat anymore, by the way. Really. I don't.
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Awesome. Just hilarious.
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Hoisted by your own pitard!!
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PETARD. Dagnabbit... i guess i was hoisted by MY own petard now... ugh...
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I remember back when I was in high school in the mid-eighties, my mom brought home Trivial Pursuit Baby Boomer edition. She was so excited, because she was going to beat my brother and I so badly, as she grew up in that time, and we were gen-x'ers.

I remember how quickly that glee turned to frustration as she quit the game when I had five pieces of 'pie', my brother had four, and she had none.

I don't remember the question, but my favorite answer was Pope Leo XXIII. She asked me a question along the lines of which pope did such and such, and I just threw out a random pope. I had to have known that there had been a Pope Leo, but I totally made up the XXIII part, and was completely right on. She accused me of cheating somehow of course, but it really was just a lucky guess on my part. And like so many others here, we never played that version of TP again.
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i with playing with my family the question that came up in order to win was what state has the licence motto famous potato.i gladly gave the answer as iset in my uncles living room in downtown nampa IDAHO
20. Board Game: Diplomacy [Average Rating:7.16 Overall Rank:182]
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I can't believe Diplomacy wasn't first on this list!

So, we had one of those Diplomacy players. The ones who are addicted to stabbing people in the back whether it makes sense or not. Stabbie was playing Germany had just led a grand alliance against the Ottoman Empire. Turkey had gotten reduced to about three supply centers and Stabbie was doing well with around twelve.

I wss playing England, and had gotten some wind about Stabbie's next target: me. I very quietly went around to all the other players, "You know," I pitched, "The real danger is Stabbie, who likes double-crossing way too much. You ought to agree to everything he says, and we can all cut him down to size." Of course, to Germany, I pitched an alliance that would throw my forces off balance so he could stab me more easily.

Blood was in the water.

The GM had gotten wind of the grand alliance, but of course, no one but him really knew what was going to happen--especially me. The GM read my orders first: a direct attack against Germany (Stabbie). Stabbie was delighted: literally jumping up and down in glee thinking the grand alliance would be able to dismantle me in one turn. (And a 6'6" 250 pound [2m 110+kg] guy jumping up and down is something!) Then the GM read Germany's orders, an all out attack on me. After a moment's discomfort at tiny Turkey moving on Germany's rear, the GM started reading the critical orders: France and Russian supported me, and Russia and Italy cut into Stabbie's flanks. He went down to 3 support centers.

He also went off in a huff and refused to play again. It just wasn't fun if he couldn't stab people whenever he wanted!
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I didn't think it was on here since it was a given. Its like saying that someone got mad in a boxing match.
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sdonohue wrote:
More words and a wine cooler is knocked onto the board by drunk bully.


Wine cooler?
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I'm laughing at this entire thread but these Diplomacy stories take the cake!!!
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sdonohue wrote:
More words and a wine cooler is knocked onto the board by drunk bully.


Wine cooler?


Yeah reminds me of that line from The Untouchables about bringing a knife to a gun fight.
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The party store near us sold six packs of wine coolers in cans for a dollar. They tasted horrible and left you with a horrible headache, but they were cheap.
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I had the first game of a new Bloodbowl League where another player (new to the game), threw a tantrum after losing. He kept blaming it on my headless lizards! (I'm not a Warhammer nut, and don't care about painted minis or proxy pieces, so long as I can play.)
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I played in a particularly brutal league of Blood Bowl once where I was playing a finesse Wood Elven team and everyone elkse was playing something particularly nasty. Dirty Takle was quite popular among the other teams and really was quite good at causing injuries.

I often had to field a team with 6 players but they were highly skilled and incredibly gifted at scoring touchdowns and stealing the ball. I had won most of my games with my one loss being to the league leader (and tournament organiser) with his nasty dirty tackling Dwarves that basically reduced my team to rubble. I could never quite get the ball off of them and I think I scored one touchdown in the whole game. Final score 2-1.

So the final game of the league for me was against a team of Orcs who liked to put up touchdowns in the same way that I did. I think the game ended up 7-6 or something as we went back and forth down the field with one turn scorers. For a change my of my Elves stayed on the field but I was unable to get the ball off of his players and score the decider. I thought it was a great game. Lots of fun, lots of tension, two players trying to win without resorting to dirty play.

The tournament organiser decided we were cheating ad just letting each other score touchdowns to rack up experience points. He made up lose league points, FF and we earned no cash from the game. My team was all about FF and the league points lost meant I missed the playoffs which I would have made with only 2 losses.

I thought that was pretty low, especially when the tornament organiser was playing in the league. I never bothered playing in that league again.
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He thought you were cheating after a 7-6 result? We've had plenty of those in our leagues. Also, a few games ended around 9-8. A personal favourite was 14-0 with my Skaven.
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I should add that there have been plenty of tantrums in our leagues. We play on the top level of a three-storey building which has a large open section in the middle. Over the years, countless dice have been thrown into this chasm, and some Special Play cards have met their end down there too.

One card in particular was infamous for being lobbed across the room in disgust: Razzle Dazzle. (For those unfamiliar with the card, it allows you to roll a D6 - on a 1-2 you lose your next turn, on a 3+ you gain an extra turn.) That card must have caused more tantrums than anything else in the game. Either because the player using it scored a touchdown he had no right to (causing his opponent to get angry), or because the he rolled the 1-2 failure when he could have won the game with a 3+.
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Our League has seem more than it's share of tantrums and blow-up's. My wife leaves the room for fear of getting hit with either a randomly flung dice or "Spearchucker" Jones (my 6AG Elf Thrower who NEVER seems to be able to pick up the d**n ball!)
22. Board Game: Supremacy [Average Rating:5.43 Overall Rank:5475]
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It was in college, around 1991 or so, and I'm playing this with five other guys. We all know each other, some longer than others, but we're all friends. I'm not doing too well, but I manage to persuade ML (who's doing very well) that if he just doesn't attack me this turn (when he might've wiped me out), I'll help him out. There is vociferous objection to this by most of the other players, mostly on the grounds that (a) I had a lot of nukes (though few armies), and (b) I'm not exactly known for being, er, selfless. I pretend to be hurt by these groundless accusations and manage to convince ML not to attack.

My next turn, I nuke two or three of his territories and claim the rest with my armies. He's out. I managed to parlay that betrayal into a win a few turns later thanks almost entirely to his misdirected efforts hurting the other strong player. ML sat there in stunned disbelief for a few minutes while everyone else rolled their eyes, laughed, groaned, etc. Then he lays into me with "you vicious bastard" and "you f***ing lied to me!" sort of stuff. We're all pretty drunk at this point. Anyway, he's furious, and getting moreso by the minute (and bottle). He just felt so...violated. He threatened physical violence (not uncommon for him, but...a bit unnerving) but finally left.

Next day, I head down to his house to patch things up and find out that he and his roommate (also in the game) had been up half the night arguing about the game. ML finally lost it and unleashed all his pent-up rage by smashing his roommate's acoustic guitar against the wall, then storming out to gods know where to sleep it off. I remained friends with him, but I've never since caused another incident involving any smashing of musical instruments, and I confess I'm a little disappointed by that.
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Hilarious!

Here's my favorite Supremacy story:

My brother, Travis, had a rather hard time against one of my good friends, Maurice. In one game, Maurice, who tends not to make alliances, looking at things only objectively without regard for the feelings of other players (as it should be), suggested that next turn he would likely Nuke my brother out of the game. My brother pointed out, perhaps wisely, that there was little value in doing this. Maurice retorted: "well, yes, there is value because you will be gone". When the time came, Maurice marked down his Nuke track and reached for the Nuke pieces. Before he could get them, my brother called out:

"Maurice, nobody nukes me and lives."

Maurice appeared to consider this comment, and then without emotion methodically placed each nuke, removing my brother's armies. Then he said:

"Well, Travis, I have nuked you. Did I live."

To this day, whenever my someone is about to deal a blow to my brother, I am careful to warn them that nobody nukes my brother and lives :)
23. Board Game: Trivial Pursuit - Genus II [Average Rating:5.89 Unranked] [Average Rating:5.89 Unranked]
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I just think that Trivial Pursuit starts this kind of thing by it's very nature. I have a story which, in my group of college buddies, is now known as the "Brad pushed Alex" story.

It took place in an isolated cabin in the Smoky Mountains which my college acapella group (The UNC ClefHangers) had rented for a relaxing weekend. There were a number of "gamers" in the group, and we would often spend much of the vacations enjoying large group games, with one high-stakes-for-money-and-beer Trivial Pursuit game with each section in the group (Tenor I, Tenor II, Baritone, Bass) playing as a team. Alex- the perpetrator - was a Bass. The basses were the most intense of the competitors, having 4 excellent trivia players. The Tenor IIs and the Tenor Is were average to above average, and the baritones... well, they really didn't give a hoot.

Especially Brad. Brad, who always seemed to be high but never was (a goofy, "high on life", infectious smile kind of fellow), greatly enjoyed repeating the questions that were asked in a singy-songy way, emphasising strange words or maybe blurting out semi-sequitur words. Here's an example:

Question Reader: Which contintinent produces the most diamonds?
Brad: (singing) Diamonds are a continent's best freeeeeeind! Iceland and Greenland and ALL-in-between-land!

It was actually kind of endearing and funny, mostly. Except this time, when Brad decided that it would be funny to turn his Broadway-Tourrette's into just throwing out answers to questions. Brad was almost never right.

Alex was not enjoying Brad's little jokey-answers, and asked him (in a "shut up now, dude" kind of way) a few times to pipe down. Brad continued. Alex, growing quite weary, turns his language to a more terse note ("I'm serious, Brad. Shut your *$#&ing mouth!"). Then, comes the Pie Question to the Tenor Is (not Brad's team):

Q: Who was Fred Astaire's famous dance partner?
Brad: (a la Madonna) "Ginger Rogers, Dance On Air!"
Tenors: Um, yeah. We'll go with Brad.
Alex: AAARRRHHHRHHRHH!!!

Brad had unknowingly just blurted out the answer. Alex didn't even twitch. He simply launched himself out of his chair and took Brad out. Alex lost all control, and many of us feared that Brad was going to be killed. At one point, Alex was actually holding Brad over the 2nd-floor balcony as if here were going to drop him, as Brad is shrieking "stop, oh god man are you nuts stop stop!". Eventually, the balance of the group manages to stop Alex the Rampaging Yeti. The atmosphere de-tenses. Then, comes Brad's famous line:

Brad: (while pushing Alex in the back as he is walking away from the scene) "I CAN SAY WHATEVER THE $*$*ING HE** I WANT!"

My memories at this point are vague, but I'm pretty sure that Alex burst into flames.

Anyway, the group eventually put our money in for an "I pushed Alex" T-shirt which Brad wore proudly.

And that's the story.
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Dang killer! I just wrote your name on my 'dont look at funny list'
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Um.... by 'strangled until he stopped moving'... he DID eventually begin moving again, right?

...or should we call all the CSI/cold case guys I see on TV??
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Remote cabin in Tennessee? I think I've heard this one: then someone found the Necronomicon in the basement and all the trees went on a sexual rampage.
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Um.... by 'strangled until he stopped moving'... he DID eventually begin moving again, right?

...or should we call all the CSI/cold case guys I see on TV??


Just saw this question. Yeah, he woke back up. He was out only briefly. I don't like to hit people I just choke them out as quickly as possible, Solves the problem and generally leaves no permanent damage. I'm a humanitarian like that. Sadly since this was written joint health issues have forced me to stop practicing my Jiu Jitsu. Now I do a bit of boxing, a much more damaging art form.
24. Board Game: The Boss [Average Rating:5.51 Unranked]
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Brooklyn, NY - sometime in the 70's... we were all betwen 13-15 years old. I remember my friend Jack, who was a high tempered Italian, simply threw the chair AT the table after we "fired" him (that was the best part about this game). Everyone became quiet and simply began picking up all the pieces and I said "um, how about a game of stickball instead?".
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Thumbed for Brooklyn, three years after the post. :)
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I gave it a thumbs up for a story involving stickball.

"You's guys wanna play some stickball?" is one of my favorite and random phrases to insert into a conversation.
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I told this story on another Geek-list (It's only a game...) so take this as a proof that there is no make-up:

"... there is the guy that loves to play conflict - games (say, just so, Shogun by MB) and then gets sooooooooo mad when someone dares to attack him that the rest of the game he is cursing and yelling and soooooooooo agressive that everyone tries to get eliminated so that you could leave the game.

And it was HIS copy so we couldn't kick him out and finish the game.

This happened nearly 15 years ago and even if I had often the chance to pick up a copy of Shogun I couldn't because I instantly remembered this MAD guy. >>shudder<< "
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It really strikes me as odd if someone likes conflict - games but reacts in such a way. We heard, that his record on this game was blameless - he never lost a game. After the game I could understand it because I NEVER ever again saw players doing "Harakiri" in attacking one another and leaving their flanks wide open for counterattacking. There was no securing, no fortifying just a "please kill me so that the game is over".

And guess who won? Yep, the owner of the game (Hi Eric), scoring another "blameless" :yuk: victory.

I really are not able (after nearly 20 years) to play this game... Any help-groups around?????
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The point about certain people only wanting to play conflict games but not being able to actually take conflict very well is a mystery to me.

I know one particular player who fits that bill exactly - he wants to play wargames and conflict games more than any other type, but as soon as he starts losing, he starts making excuses, blaming poor game balance, overpowered units, bad rules, whatever it takes to remove the idea that his opponent(s) might simply be outplaying him. This guy has never thrown a fit that I've seen, but he does some pretty hardcore sulking if it becomes apparent that he's not going to win.

The worst thing about this guy is that in the reverse situation - when he's winning - he's the biggest gloater I've ever seen. Playing against people like that is simply no fun at all. They make you feel like you're doing something wrong whether you're ahead or behind, and the end result is that you just don't ever want to sit at the same table with them again.
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Some players just seem to forget that others are permitted to try and win the game too.
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This happened to me a few years ago at a "Call of Cthulhu ccg" tournament organzied by the local gamte store!

I was going to play my third opponent, a 12 year old kid who was playing a Shubb/Syndacite set against my Agency set!
Earlly on I get out a few characters out on the field while he only gets one monster out, but I was holding the always famous "Forced entry" card and killed the monster and could easilly get a few points!

This pretty much repeated it self for the rest of the game, he summouned a monster, I had a card to kill it, I kinda felt bad for the kid since I always had the right cards on hand!
The thing that made him snap was then he got out the "Cthonian" monster that could take alot of damage before it died...
Things might change now I thought and I pullled up my next card... I look at it and throw it up and its the "short fuse" card that does enough damage to kill his monster outright...
He freaks out screaming and calling me a cheater catching the attention of the entire store!
Luckilly the game was over at that point since I could get the last few points I needed to win without any resistance...

But for the rest of the tournament the kid was stalking me, watching if I was cheating as I played the other players.
So as I was playing on I dropped a card to the floor by misstake and the kid started screaming I was cheating, so the guy that organized the torunament disqualified the kid from the tournament and threw him out for annoying the other players(yes that's what he said)!

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Some people are flat-out idiots. He may also be an observant AP'er, as concerned about a stupid card he was. The only reason people complain/accuse wrongfully is to either
a) annoy,
b) antagonize, or
c) provoke.

Eventually people will learn better... :(
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You could write a book on some guy just flipping out. Even if you only used Supremacy, D&D and Diplomacy as a source, it'd be around 500 pages.
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red_gamster wrote:
Even if you only used Supremacy, D&D and Diplomacy as a source, it'd be around 500 pages volumes.


Fixed that for you.
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