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A Tribute to Ameritrash
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What with all the attention given to the latest fad in gaming, I figured it was about time that we all looked back to our roots and gave some credit where credit was due. Yeah, that's right - it's time to stand up and recognize the Ameritrash game. So what exactly makes an Ameritrash game? Find out below.
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1. Board Game: Titan [Average Rating:7.08 Overall Rank:317]
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Tons of them. Ameritrash games prefer a bunch of cubes to go rolling across the table instead of all this auction nonsense. Am I going to bid to try and take out your Titan? No way, he's going to be crushed under a tide of rolling cubes!
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Could be the quintessential Ameritrash game...and it rocks, unlike so many Euros that simply waddle. Seriously, the amount of dice rolled in this game is phenomenal. If you don't have fun tossing piles of dice into a box lid, go play Elfenland and push the little booties around. Monster slugathon indeed!
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Wish my brother still had his original, so I could verify the date and manufacturer's address (and see if there were any playtesting credits).


I remember looking at the playtesting credits and the Charlottesville game club is there. They played a lot of Titan and 18xx when I was there. A few people played ASL, but I think the majority of the games played were Settlers, Princes of Florence, and Puerto Rico interspersed with the lighter fare.
 
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The Gorgonstar Edition of Titan was published in 1980 and the borderland expansion for it in 1981. The Bruce Shelly reworked Avalon Hill version was in 1982. see http://www.morgud.com/interests/titan/ for some PDFs with historic articles tracing the prototype beginning development in 1975.

As to where an 1980 add for Titan has you mail order from Gorgonstar in Joliet Illinois (which makes sense to me as I played in some early TitanWar conventions in Rockford,IL).
 
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Wasn't Titan originally released in the U.K.?


AmeriTrash, like Redneck, is not a geographic location, it's state of mind.

Oh, and Steve, as you say Tramp is very much missed, but no longer missing. He's driving a cab and doesn't want to talk abut fantasy art. Sad fur us, but the mans' gotta live his life the way he wants.
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AmeriTrash, like Redneck, is not a geographic location, it's state of mind.


Truer words were never spoken. For instance, it is a fact that the Ameritrashiest wargame of all time is Warhammer 40,000. I don't think Advanced Squad Leader even comes close. Let's use this list to score it, yeah?

Item one: dice. If more dice=more fun, you will never want to play another game. WH40K players gladly roll dozens of six-sided dice all at once on the table. Then pick out the ones that come up six and roll them again. Then pick out the ones of _those_ that come up five or six and roll them again. The end result of which is that one of your Ultramarines chipped a nail.
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2. Board Game: Dungeon [Average Rating:5.88 Overall Rank:2811]
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Fantasy Themes

Speaking of Titans, Ameritrash games don't mess around on the themes. There are only like three acceptable themes for Ameritrash games, and fantasy is one of them. Where would we be without good old J.R.R. Tolkien?
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I'd say that violence, destruction, and chaos are the three metathemes in Ameritrash...much better than dancing ducks or hedgehogs, that's for damn sure.
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So if you write off Trivia Games to the Canadians, I guess all you yanks are left with is war and destruction. Wow. That says a lot to the current state of the world. Uh, thanks, guys.


I would have thought that the idea that Canada was trivial would be offensive to most Canadians. I'm sure there are millions of Canadians who strongly believe that Canada matters.
 
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  • Posted Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:52 am
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So if you write off Trivia Games to the Canadians, I guess all you yanks are left with is war and destruction. Wow. That says a lot to the current state of the world. Uh, thanks, guys.


Well...at least we can still hang the guy responsible!
 
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Item two: Fantasy Themes. Are you kidding me? 40K is both Fantasy AND Science Fiction, of the cartooniest sort imaginable.

Score: 2 out of 2
 
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3. Board Game: Chainsaw Warrior [Average Rating:5.64 Overall Rank:5432]
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Excellent Titles

Come on, you're not going to find an Ameritrash game called Dinky Donkey or Who Stole My Fish? Ameritrash games have real titles like Chainsaw Warrior!
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I can't imagine asking any over the age of 10 to play "Hey Where's My Fish".
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Excellent title? Besides the game itself, how can you beat "Codex: Space Marines," "Battle for Macregge," "Battlefleet Gothic," and so on? I mean, 40K _has_ chainsaw warriors, but they don't get a book title because they're only about the fortieth or fiftieth most awesome thing in the game!

Three of three.
 
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I can't imagine asking any over the age of 10 to play "Hey Where's My Fish".


I don't care what a game is called if it's a good game that's fun to play. Remember...you play board games. It doesn't matter what it's called. If you're hitting on a woman in a bar and you tell her that you play board games as a hobby, it doesn't matter WHAT the game is called. To you, you're a geek and more then likely she's no longer interested (if she was in the first place.). She'll won't feel any different if you tell her you're playing "Piggly Wiggly went to Market" or "Chainsaw Warriors in Hell."
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I can't imagine asking any over the age of 10 to play "Hey Where's My Fish".


these are among my favourite quotes about this kind of game. I cant imagine asking anyone over the age of 10 to play a game called "Chainsaw Warrior"!
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Well, Britain is sort of an offshoot of America or something so this game counts.


Thanks for reminding me why I read geeklists. laugh
 
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4. Board Game: Arkham Horror [Average Rating:7.57 Overall Rank:69]
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Millions of Chits

OK, if it doesn't have a chit for every noun (and verb) in the rulebook, it's probably not an Ameritrash game.
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I love seeing comments when people are "concerned" about components...I grew up with cardboard chits and I still love 'em...sometimes you even had to cut them out yourself!
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And thank you very much for noticing.
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Mmmm... chits...
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Man, I *want* this game, but I don't want to pay full price for it. I can't find it on eBay for anything under 40-50 bucks right now, so its a bit frustrating.


I want it if only to hold and caress but my wife would never give it a go even though she loves Cthulhu-themed stuff. Because of the chits I reckon.
 
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

This is going to be the big failing. There's not much cardboard in this game. (Star Fleet Battles, surely one of the top ten Ameritrashiest games of all time, would have been a good illustration for this item, by the way.) To be fair, if you were willing to extend the idea from cardboard chits to lumps of plastic, then you bet they're everywhere. Weapons, armor, communicators, accessories of all kinds must be modeled on the figures when the game is played According to Hoyle. Even the color of the paint job on certain models has an effect in game terms!

For that reason, I claim half a point.

3.5 out of 4.
 
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5. Board Game: Advanced Squad Leader [Average Rating:7.91 Overall Rank:60]
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Insane Rulebooks

The rulebook must read like a tax form. Every paragraph needs a number like "18.3.98.1.B". If we're not talking at least 15, 20 pages forget it. It's probably a Euro game.
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Unfortunately, this is one of the prejudices that many folks have against Ameritrash games. The thing is, the outline/hierarchical structure for presenting rules is a great way to organize and reference rules- if Fantasy Flight did their rules like this they'd be a lot easier to use but then all the Eurogamers would freak out because of percieved "complexity". Of course, if you're playing a Euro with one page of rules it's sort of irrelevant.
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Unfortunately, this is one of the prejudices that many folks have against Ameritrash games. The thing is, the outline/hierarchical structure for presenting rules is a great way to organize and reference rules- if Fantasy Flight did their rules like this they'd be a lot easier to use but then all the Eurogamers would freak out because of percieved "complexity". Of course, if you're playing a Euro with one page of rules it's sort of irrelevant.


I completely Disagree.
Numerical numbering in a ruleset is no help at all. What helps is a good index for common and odd rules. Most good miniatures games don't use a numbering system.

INDEX FTW
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Mountains and mountains of rules. For a game with so few stats, that is so unconcerned with modeling anything related to reality, how do they stretch it out to hundreds of pages of rules and unit types and exceptions and exemptions and exceptions to the exceptions? It's really a work of art.

A point that's really worth making, too: _Simulation_ games are often complex of necessity. There is an attempt to model significant parts of the real world, which is a complex place. So it may be necessary for the simulation to be complex in order to give a desirable level of verisimilitude. But the best Ameritrash games are massively complex just for the sheer hell of it.

Consider a fully tricked out, expanded and supplemented Car Wars. Did Steve Jackson ever go to the slightest effort to work out what rocket launchers would "really" do to armored cars with rocket engines? Of course not. He just went crazy because the discerning Ameritrash gamer _wants_ a crazy rococo system that takes as much work as a law degree.

In this sense, ASL is really not the definitive Ameritrash game. It works hard to model aspects of the real world.

Warhammer 40,000, on the other hand, is so pure it should almost get extra marks on this item.

Score: 4.5 of 5
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LOL ASL's inclusion in this list is really rather funny. Ameritrash, really? ASL is a wargame not Ameritrash. Ameritrash is tratitionally compared against the Euro game. Ummm, practically every wargame from the Avalon Hill days uses numbers to separate the various rules, ASL is the continuation of the Squad Leader series and has been around a long long time, way before there were any Ameritrash games. Nothing new here.

I really wish that people with no wargames in their collection would refrain from pretending that they are experts on the subject. Please stick to real Ameritrash games like Spacehulk. If anyone is interested in ASL or any other wargame please go to the wargame subforum and direct queries there, there are some great intro wargames available. Please do not attempt ASL if you are a beginner.

ASL as an Ameritrash game ROTFLOL.
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6. Board Game: The Fury of Dracula [Average Rating:7.04 Overall Rank:633]
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Rules that might occur in 2 out of every 400 games. Still, when they happen they are damn cool because they're straight out of the freakin book! Who doesn't remember the game where Jonathan Harker actually killed the Count?
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That guy on the box looks just like you.
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My gosh. Robert, I didn't know you were a Box Art Model. All this time I thought it was just your picture and you were about to play the winning card in a game of "Flinch."

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Every time I see this picture I think that Dracula seems to be some sort of cyclops...
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Rules that might occur in 2 out of every 400 games.


Doesn't that mean once out of every 200 games?

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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Chrome? You'd better believe it. _Most_ of the game is chrome, and the evil corporate masters are forever spitting out new reams of the stuff. You've got to subscribe to their magazine and check their web site every week just to keep up with all the new rules for the bright shiny they're pushing this month in their retail stores.

Score: 5.5 out of 6
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7. Board Game: Fortress America [Average Rating:6.74 Overall Rank:665]
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Military Themes

So if you're not going to do a fantasy game, military themes are pretty good, especially if the USA can win most of the time. Bonus points if foreign dictators appear on the cover.
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The concept of this game is so unbelieveably awesome...the US nukes the middle east and the world freaks out and invades. Do you think there's an auction in this one? HELL NO!
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This is one of my all time favorites. The suspense as your supply line stretches longer and as partisans pop up is nerve shattering! This was my first game which used something other than a D6, to boot! Gotta love those MB Gamemaster classics!!!

MB= M.Barnes. Coincidence?
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This is what it is all about- lots of plastic, mayhem, and dice rolling-and there will only be one player left standing (or sitting).

MB Gamemaster rules!
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But the concept for the game comes directly from SPI's Invasion: America, which was published around 1974-75.


As for Red Dawn... I believe that movie came out a few years after Fortress America was published, right about the time the mini-series Amerika was on TV.


According to BGG & IMDB, Fortress: America came out in 1986, Red Dawn in 1984.

And we were taking notes every time we watched it, too angry
 
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

How about a military theme, as realized through the school notebook sketches of twelve year old boys? Steroidal Space Marines engaging ravening alien hordes at two paces with machine guns! Swords! Everyone's helmet gets knocked off without killing them!

Score: 6.5 out of 7
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8. Board Game: Descent: Journeys in the Dark [Average Rating:7.54 Overall Rank:77]
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Plastic Minis

Wooden cubes are for sissies! Back in the day miniatures were pathetic little toys but thanks to advances in technology and a company called Fantasy Flight, they really should be called maxis now. On second thought, scratch that.
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I certainly don't demand miniatures, but they are _fun_...given a choice between a bag of brown wooden cubes that I could buy at a craft store or a pile of ogres, dragons, and other fantasy crap, guess what I'll pick?
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"And miniature bits are NOT for sissies, let me tell you. Not when you walk across 'em in the dark in stocking feet."

You're not supposed to sharpen the swords.
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Really? The guy I played my first and only game with had a bag of red and blue wooden cubes (though we didn't use them). Maybe he bought the separately.

I agree in spirit with this entry, but I actually prefer counters over minis. They're more compact, can stack, and often have better artwork.


Cubes do not come with the game. Some people use them to mark which countries are controlled. So the guy you played with must have added them himself. Now, I don't know if that changes you previous comment, but I just thought I'd pipe in.
 
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Yeah, what Barry said, miniatures are definitely not for sissies...

Back in the days when I still was into miniature gaming - and mind you, we are now talking about real, neat, metal miniatures, not any heretical plastic trash! - I somehow managed to leave one of my warriors with a wicked, barbed, sharp spear standing on my bed. Then, when I was going to sleep, I sat on my bed full-weight, wearing nothing but boxers. Went straight through them like, it was like hot butter and knives or hot knives and butter, what ever.

Next thing I know, I'm crawling down the hallway with a maniacally grinning warrior hanging from my behind, with his spiky, long weapon stuck nicely couple of centimeters deep in my flesh... And my brother laughed at me. Hard. I tell you, it hurt pretty much pulling it out, with all the spikes in the spear and all that. I still have a scar back there.

Don't you dare to tell me that miniatures are for kids!

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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

No need to discuss this one, is there? Except to say that the publishers maintain a whole worldwide network of retail stores to sell 40kers hundreds and hundreds of additional plastic miniatures at absolutely outlandish prices. That should be like twenty points of extra credit.

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9. Board Game: Twilight Imperium (third edition) [Average Rating:7.82 Overall Rank:26]
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Slews of Cards

And we're not talking colored, numbered cards here. We're talking cards that are covered with microscopic text that you can hardly even read. Half of which reads like a bad sci-fi novel.
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Cards add flavor and variety...things that scare Eurogamers.
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Why does TI3 confuse people so? It's the Un-Eurogame. It's the Anti-Eurogame. But since it has Euro mechanics, players fall for it every time.

Of course, my games of PR don't go 8 hours without finishing, so I may be wrong...
 
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The political cards are the best part of TI. One of our group members loves to read the cards in a stately voice, really over the top. Everyone gets a kick out of it.

Yeah the game is cheese but if you play along, it is incredibly fun.
 
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Okay, you got me on this one. No cards, thank God, in 40K. Don't tell Games Workshop: someone might get an idea.
 
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It's probably worth noting that at some points in its existence, Warhammer 40,000 DID have cards. I think it was 2nd edition that had wargear cards, psyker cards, vehicle cards, etc.
 
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10. Board Game: Star Wars: The Queen's Gambit [Average Rating:7.51 Overall Rank:196]
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Franchise Tie-Ins

What could be better than a tie-in to a major motion picture? Especially one with a horror, sci-fi, or military theme.
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This game has a ridiculously long set up time, but once you invest the time it's a fairly decent game.

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oh yeah, grognads?

what did spock find in kirk's toilet?




the captain's log.
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I'm still waiting for the game to come out based on the movie "My Dinner with Andre". Given the theme, though, it would probably be best represented with Euro mechanics.
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I'm still waiting for the game to come out based on the movie "My Dinner with Andre". Given the theme, though, it would probably be best represented with Euro mechanics.


Ohmigosh, I know this thread is three years old....but reading this post made me spew coffee through my nose. laugh
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

40K is so Ameritrashy, it makes it's own franchise. (Kind of like making it's own gravy...) Novels, computer games, you got it! Well, that's if you can call brain-numbing tripe like "Black Sky, Dead Sun" a "novel." I tried to read it for the sake of my 15-year-old brother, I really did, but it just made me want to drink heavily.

Score: 8.5/10
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11. Board Game: Supremacy [Average Rating:5.45 Overall Rank:7255]
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Nukes

Nukes are pretty fun. Every game should have some.
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You could not have chosen a better game for this, aside from Nuclear War. I don't think I've ever played a game of Supremacy that didn't end in nuclear winter!
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Something that would have been purple if there was light to see it by scuttled across the floor.
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It doesn't get any better than plastic mushroom clouds. Every time I introduce this game to a new person they'll spend at least 20 minutes putting little mushroom clouds on things and getting really excited over the thought that it's been nuked... and really... who can blame them?
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OMG...MB...that comment just made me shoot milk out my nose at about 400 psi...which is weird, because I'm drinking 7-Up.
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Which is why Nuclear War is an Ameritrash game! (and a fun one at that, didn't realize it's from the 1960s!)

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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Had to check this, because the guiding principle of 40K is to have nothing that makes sense or comes from the real world if possible...but they have "melta bombs" (remember that 12 year old boy with his sketchbook?) that are described as fusion weapons. So, yeah: nukes.

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12. Board Game: Dark Tower [Average Rating:6.39 Overall Rank:1681]
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Gadgets

OK, so Euro games may have King Arthur and the Cosmic Ashtray, but they don't have the Dark Tower.
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They do have the Cube Tower.
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laugh more accurately, that's the "Euro" 'Battle' tower! `cause everybody KNOWS that it was the preferred 'mechanic' of "Warfare" huh?
"mon dieu! zhat Wellington hast 'out-gravitized' moi Left Flank with his 'troop droppings'! I curse YOU Sir Isaac Newton and where were OUR 'gravitaciously' endowed scholars in ALL of zhis!?!"
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Newton and Einstein. Double envelopment.
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

I don't really know how to evaluate this criterion. Seems like its just an extra point for being "Dark Tower."

Score: N/A
 
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13. Board Game: Zombies!!! [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:6322]
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Horror Themes

OK, so I lied and there are more than just three themes for Ameritrash games. But I'm pretty sure even Blockbuster would group some of these categories together.
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Fantasy, Military and Horror themes---I think that makes 3 themes you mentioned, but I can't be sure.
 
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And you've forgotten the Capitalism theme, so far in my reading. Special Ameritrash points if a game makes you shuffle around a lot of play money.
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I bought a toy helicopter just for this game!
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I bought a toy helicopter just for this game!
I admire you.
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

With appropriate allowances for the sci-fi theme, we have a couple of good examples. First, the "Necrons:"

"Terrifying, immortal, soulless warriors have risen from ancient stasis-tombs, their weaponry able to strip a man to atoms. But the true terror of the Necron lies with their divine masters, who gorge themselves on the essence of billions."

Robot zombies. Hey, why not?

Also, the Space Marines have their Dreadnoughts, which are mecha thingies with "mostly dead" marines at the controls. For some reason or another.

Score: 10.5/12
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14. Board Game: The Warriors of Batak [Average Rating:5.73 Unranked]
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Garish Artwork

OK, so we haven't got this market cornered what with Splotter being out there, but the Euros tend to lean towards conservatism or at least quality when it comes to artwork. Amertrash games really go all out.
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"Conservativism" is an understatement...I'd much rather play a game with the garish, dayglo pallet of Nexus Ops than the brown-on-darker-brown mush or pastels that so many Euros seem to favor. I swear, Euros tend to be either the same colors as dirty dishwater or Precious Moments figurines. Give me BAROQUE!
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Funny, I was under the impression that Sardaukar wore chef hats...
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Heheh. I was leaning more in the direction of the David Lynch interpration... plus, any chance I get to reference Dune in any way, shape, or form makes me happy.
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Euros generally have brightly coloured pieces and boards. When I think of Anglo-American games, I think of monochrome hex and counter maps.
 
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Has there _been_ a game with more garish artwork? It's all pre-adolescent male power fantasy stuff. I say "pre" adolescent because of the conspicuous lack of scantily clad women with big boobs. So if you want lots of explosions but girls make you feel weak and scared, 40K is the game for you!

Score: 11.5/13

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15. Board Game: Family Business [Average Rating:6.18 Overall Rank:1441]
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Guns

Fourth amendment, man! Or is it the third? I dunno. Anyhow, guns are in our Constitution so I'm pretty sure they should be in our games too.
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Ironic though that the ultimate gun game (Cash & Guns) is _French_, isn't it?
 
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It's the Second.
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Yeah, so it's a pretty important one if it's number 2 out of 25...
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Good thing the Founding Fathers weren't dyslexic or else the 2nd ammendment would have been about our right to arm bears.
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Ironic though that the ultimate gun game (Cash & Guns) is _French_, isn't it?


Well MB they can't win a war to save themselves, so they must pretend in games, why else do you think they made the game risk?
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

The weapons will be machine guns at ten paces on an open field.

Score: 12.5/14
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16. Board Game: Nexus Ops [Average Rating:7.27 Overall Rank:173]
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Science Fiction Themes

OK, so this one was supposed to come before Horror Themes but I forgot it. Cue Richard Irving to call me on the fact that I can't count. Anyhow, Sci Fi themed games. There are a lot of them. This one has fluorescent minis. How much more Amertrash can you get?
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Technically, Nexus Ops is "speculative fiction", not "science fiction". Ditto for "Star Wars", although in the sub-genre of "Space Opera".

Granted, most people don't know the difference.

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P.S. Kurt, your Avatar is priceless.
 
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This one is already one of my favorites, even with a few vague rules (nothing which can't be resolved quickly).

And those neon colored pieces! This is the REAL gamer candy, NOT the camels from Through The Desert.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... gummy aliens.
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Dork.

[Bruce goes back to polishing his limited edition Dalek cookie jar.]
 
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Unless it's just cheapening the term too much to call Space Orcs "science fiction."

Score: 13.5/15
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17. Board Game: Risk 2210 A.D. [Average Rating:6.79 Overall Rank:544]
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Player Elimination

Awesome list, and it is nice to know that all my favorites are on here. But, you forgot one of the key complaints of all the "I'm concerned about...." Euro fans: Player elimination.

I enjoy winning, but I get a particular amount of glee by crushing my enemies, seeing them driven before me, and hearing the lamentation of their women! There is nothing finer than wiping out someone's last straggling group of soldiers, and then as they sadly remove their dead from the board, you demand that they go fetch you a soda, since they aren't doing anything else right now! The whole Eurogame "feel good" aspect of "Everyone is in the game until the end" is a bunch of crap. If I wipe you out, you are no longer a threat to me. Nothing is more annoying than the Eurogames with hidden bonus victory points at the end where some schmuck with a few route ticket cards can come back to win it all. A pox on your houses. I want to know who is a threat to me at all times. Like in Dune (book/movie): Duke Leto could threaten my power, so I will work to eliminate him.
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I'm a big fan of player elimination. It makes the stakes so much higher and the game that much more dramatic. You get a gold star.

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Not a single country in that list has fully recovered. The one that comes the closest is Britain, which has had the most time to recouperate.


I dunno Germany, Japan and China are doing pretty well for themselves.
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Well I think you all missed the point. It is American to win and win completely, to eliminate the threat. Maintaining a balance of power is not in our vocabulary. A tie in Football is NOT tolerated!
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11) 2003 Iraq War opponent: Iraq. Eliminated.


Given the close comparisons with Vietnam, I think this verdict might need revision at a later date.


With Imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan, the country itself is still around, but the government that was the major enemy was eliminated, being replaced by a new form of government. (In one case, a democracy that didn't survive all that long, soon producing a new dictator; in the other two cases, a democracy that ended up surviving and prospering).

With Iraq, the government that was America's enemy in 1991 and 2003 was Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. That one has definitely been eliminated, and Hussein is dead. It remains to be seen whether the democracy that America is currently trying to set up will survive, or whether America will pull out too soon, Vietnam-style, and allow the nascent Iraqi democracy to be overrun by extremists from Iran. But either way, Hussein's Baathist government is just plain gone, and the Baathist remnants are no longer major players (or even minor players) anymore. So even if America ultimately fails at setting up a democracy in Iraq, I'd say this one still counts as "eliminated".
 
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Absolutely, if you can get more than two players into a room.

Score: 14.5/16
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18. Board Game: Risk [Average Rating:5.62 Overall Rank:6167]
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Conflict

Regardless of theme, almost every Amertrash game is going to feature conflict as noted by esteemed scholar MBarnes. Risk set the standard way back in the 50's and we're still slugging it out 50 years later.
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Esteemed scholar? I don't know nothin' about no games...
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NOT only is "RISK" a French-product, it also initially utilized those little wooden 'cubes' LONG before they became the 'fashion' as they're seen in too many of today's 'stuff'.
"the MORE you KNOW...the MORE you WISH you HAD not!"



Yeah, but, in Risk you are ATTACKING WITH and KILLING the little wooden cubes, not auctioning them, not bidding on them, and not stacking them to impress King Friday XIII. I have no problem using wooden cubes as tools of war. WCMDs. Wooden Cubes of Mass Destruction!!
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heh! I 'gots' WOOD for 'cubes'! surprise
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The way it was designed (i.e., the optimal opening moves), I could have sworn Risk was invented by an Australian!
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

In the distant future, THERE IS ONLY WAR!

Score: 15.5/17
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19. Board Game: Kremlin [Average Rating:7.07 Overall Rank:370]
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Randomness

I'm going to make a stand and say it - Randomness is fun! How awesome is it to roll a D20 and hit that 1 you needed to send the Party Chief to an early grave? Nothing adds excitement and drama to a game like some randomness. Sure, the most deserving player won't always win, but who cares? Games should be more about fun and less about winning.
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At our regular game group, we always see the folks playing Ameritrash games with crazy, random elements cheering, groaning, trash talking, and having a blast. Then we look over and see folks playing Euros hunkered over in silence like they're at a freakin' wake.

Random elements are one of the chief things that make games _fun_ as far as I'm concerned. There's more excitement and drama in turning over the dragon card in DUNGEONQUEST and getting blown away with a pile of treasure than in an entire evening of Eurogames. Who cares who wins, really? As long as the game is fun, I could care less if your corn strategy paid off or not.
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"Randomness is great - and realistic. This cuts to the heart of the difference between me (and I expect other Ameriplasty players) and Eurogamers. I am looking for some type of simulation (which, in my case, will inspire my imagination). To simulate reality you have to have random elements."


Well said!
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The thing I like best about Kremlin is that it has the perfect blend of randomness and skill - enough randomness that even a beginner can win the game, and enough skill that a well-thought-out strategy can be very effective.

On the subject of Eurogames, in my view modern Eurogame designers, in their desire to make gaming all about simplicity and skill, forget that games are supposed to kindle the players' imaginations. In my opinion there are plenty of traditional card games that do what Eurogames do. Why pay $20+ for such a game when I can buy a pack of cards for $2 that do the same thing? And while a contest of skill is important, what I really want from a boardgame is a sense of theme in a game that's fun for everyone. If it's all about skill the neophyte gamer will be at a distinct disadvantage, and if it's lacking theme people like me will simply not become interested enough to give the game much time.

So I'm hoping for a time when the skill of Eurogames will be combined with the fun and theme of an Ameritrash game. For me, Kremlin comes closest to that combination.
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DarrellKH wrote:
LMAO. Kremlin is a "Euro" game that was reprinted in English by AH.


Eurolames and Ameritrash are genres that transcend the locations which they were named for.
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

There is one type of weapon, the plasma gun, that blows up and kills the operator on one sixth of firing attempts. Wonder what training for that job must be like.

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20. Board Game: Pizza Box Football [Average Rating:6.41 Overall Rank:1235]
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Sports Themes

Sports themes kind of fell out of favor at some point in the 80's or so, but they used to be huge. Look at all the stuff Avalon Hill and 3M did back in the day. This one combines pizza and football - how much more apple pie can you get than that?
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I generally despise sports, but sports board games can be great- witness the 3M sports titles, still modern and exciting even after nearly 40 years.
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This genre died the day Earl Weaver's face appeared on the cover of a computer game.

If you were there then, you know what I'm talking about and you're nodding in agreement.
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This one combines pizza and football - how much more apple pie can you get than that?


While it has nothing to do with pizza, it is a fun table-top football game, and has seen considerable play in our group.

But table-top sports games were generally doomed when the computer games came out, and now with their extraordinary graphics, multiple angles of view, instant stats and record keeping, and blow by blow simulation, computer games are the heavily dominant medium.

And the same can be said for military tactical games, especially air-to-air combat simulations.
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Madden killed my Strato football leauge I used to be in. Killed it. An online sim killed my 15 year Statis-pro basketball league, too.

As for Pizza Box...eh. I thought I'd like it, but after many, many games of Strat-O, it just doesn't cut it.
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I have to ask robert, why not blood bowl for this thing, its more American than any real sport could hope to be!
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Well, not really. Although some afficionados adapt 40K to Games Workshop's "Blood Bowl" fantasy sports game.

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21. Board Game: Wooden Ships & Iron Men [Average Rating:6.95 Overall Rank:518]
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Plotted Movement

Simultaneous actions resolved by preallocation.
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Sort of like RoboRally, huh? AmeriTrash at its peak.
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Star Fleet Battles, another fine example. Also fits under franchise tie-ins (despite certain licensing issues).
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Sort of like RoboRally, huh?


Yeah, I hate it when my ship of the line gets pushed into a bottomless pit.
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"Simultaneous actions resolved by preallocation"

Ah, so much better than blind bidding!

Cheers!
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

I don't know that I agree with this one, really. Is plotted movement more Ameritrash than IGO/HUGO? I would argue the contrary. Plotted movement is generally an attempt to improve the fidelity of a simulation. That makes it Grognardy, not Ameritrashy. And who ever called WSIM Ameritrash? It's old-school Grognardism.

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22. Board Game: Nuclear War [Average Rating:6.25 Overall Rank:1356]
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Take That!

Games with little more to them than attacking the leader (or whoever you don't like at this moment). No multiplayer solitaire here.
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Ironically, this plays like a Euro game. It has four basic rules, and two basic components.
 
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What lesson?
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Grognads said : Now granted, this is a very rare occurance

I really like this game and played it a lot (with all extensions). The doomsday happens one game out of two or three. I don't think that "half the time" stays a "very rare occurence"
 
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Too similar to the "Conflict" and "Player Elimination" criteria.

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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
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23. Board Game: Tales of the Arabian Nights [Average Rating:7.21 Overall Rank:603]
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How about adding CREATIVITY, SENSE OF ADVENTURE, and IMAGINATIONto the list? Eurogames reward efficiency and strict adherence to procedure and if you really break it down, a lot of Euros are about doing a _job_. Whether you're a "master builder" trying to impress a king or planning postal routes, you represent a working joe punching the clock. Who the hell wants to do that? I play games to escape real life! I'd much rather be a sex-changed, grief-stricken, beastformed, penniless version of Sinbad! There's another level to it as well...Ameritrash games allow for creative and imaginative play, offering a much wider range of choices and options whereas Euros reward you for following procedure efficiently given a limited set of decisions. TotAN is the exact opposite of a Euro- it's all about imagination and creativity while the minimal mechanics completely take a back seat. When I play TotAN, I feel like I've participated in an epic adventure- contrast to Beowulf, where I feel like I've done nothing but participate in auctions in an attempt to "befriend" the titular character.
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Please see my comments above for item 18: "Risk", regarding my feelings on playing a game where I am working a Joe Sixpack job to impress some ancient monarch...
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Creativity is always welcome, but most Ameritrash titles are just about lots and lots of explosions.

Score: N/A
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eldrwyrm wrote:
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Euro designers love that idea for some reason...sucking up to some authority figure...

Also, we've never had a Monarchy or Dictatorship in the US, so we don't believe to sucking-up to those in power.


No? Family Bush?

The father a President? The Son a President? The Brother a Governor?

Family Clinton?

He a President, she a Secretary of State.

Family Kennedy?

One a President, another a presidential candidate, the other a senator.

No you're right, the US has NO experience of monarchical families.
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HarlemMimeSchool wrote:
eldrwyrm wrote:
crackedlcd81 wrote:
Euro designers love that idea for some reason...sucking up to some authority figure...

Also, we've never had a Monarchy or Dictatorship in the US, so we don't believe to sucking-up to those in power.


No? Family Bush?

The father a President? The Son a President? The Brother a Governor?

Family Clinton?

He a President, she a Secretary of State.

Family Kennedy?

One a President, another a presidential candidate, the other a senator.

No you're right, the US has NO experience of monarchical families.


Don't forget the Adams family. (John, John Quincy, and Samuel, not Tuesday, Pugsley, and Cousin It). And what about the Roosevelts? And the Johnsons? (Actually I don't think they're related, at least not closely).
IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
 
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Also, don't forget Tuesday, Pugsley, and Cousin It either.
 
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24. Board Game: Empires of the Middle Ages [Average Rating:7.14 Overall Rank:1133]
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Long Sequence of Events

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"What phase are we in again?"
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And in the spirit of this entry, there is "The Geeklist you game": http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/16458
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What more do you need than point and shoot? ok ok maybe pointing is a bit too long. Lets just shoot and kill anything that moves
 
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Phase 1: Collect Underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Once again, Star Fleet Battles is really the king of the mountain on this point. They used to sell a super-dooper, all-supplements sequence of play that factored in the phase of the moon and whether it was a month with an "R" in it and so forth.

40K doesn't really boast a contorted SOP, so it loses a point.

Score: 16.5/21
 
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25. Board Game: The Longest Day [Average Rating:7.27 Overall Rank:1146]
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Long Playing Time

No American game should be playable in the amount of time a human being can survive without eating. (It must be a kick back from the fast food delivery industry)
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Les Haskell
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That should read: Satisfying Playing Time
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  • Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:17 pm
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Asher D.
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while some people spend YEARS playing games like a game of World in Flames.

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  • Posted Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:04 pm
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Steve Herron
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Ten years for me in playing Fire in the East. (one game!)
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  • Posted Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:42 am
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Jose Magallanes
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Hmmmm.... have to agree on this one. Game of Thrones is a good example of a Euro-type game that ends prematurely. I don't want to just win, I want to drive the opponent off the board and into a weepy mess of tears.
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  • Posted Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:17 am
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Another criterion that might be said to be more Grognardy than Ameritrashy, but, yeah, lots of Ameritrash games have long play times. And, more importantly, sloooooow play times, spent arguing over the interaction of various rules and rolling seventy dice for the outcome of a single event.

40K is one of those games that moves so slowly, you can just about play another game during the down times.

Score: 17.5/21
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  • Posted Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:31 pm
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M C
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Best List Ev-ar!!!!!!arrrh

What about Battleball and Heroscape?
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  • Posted Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:45 pm
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Craig Bryant
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On Warhammer 40,000 as the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time:

Just as one of the greatest "Eurogames" is cetainly "Acquire" by American Sid Sackson, the concept of "Ameritrash" knows no boundaries.

To my mind, the only thing that could be more Ameritrashy than Warhammer: 40,000 would be Warhammer: 40,000 played on a hex grid.

I culled a list of 23 criteria together before the list seemed to start repeating itself, and 40K scores a cool 20.5 points. It will be 21.5 if Games Workshop ever publishes a 40K supplement for "Blood Bowl..."

And there should be about another 20 bonus points for Games Workshop, beacause what could be more American than soulless, money-grubbing capitalism? Stores all over the world selling GW games and nothing else--events allowing only official GW miniatures--trained staff dedicated to prying another fifty bucks out of some kid's hand for yet another shoddy lump of plastic.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Warhammer: 40,000--the Ameritrashiest Game of All Time!
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  • Posted Mon Feb 1, 2010 6:52 pm
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Shannon McNair
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RedShark92 wrote:
I dunno. While I do like AT style games I don't really care for the fortressat site that much. I find it to be a little on the clunky side. BGG is much better organized with better support materials and a stronger forum/discussion set-up.


Fortressat can be a bit clunky, but then again so is an armored space marine sawing acid-spewing aliens into chunks with a chain gun and a blow torch. It's also a hub of trashtalk and the PB&J (passion, beauty, and joy) of Ameritrash games and culture. Plus, every time I post there, my computer pours me a beer. Hmmm, see ya...

 
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  • Posted Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:56 am
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I love this list! It reads like my Christmas wish list!
 
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  • Posted Tue May 18, 2010 12:25 pm
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Pnumekin wrote:
Fortressat can be a bit clunky, but then again so is an armored space marine sawing acid-spewing aliens into chunks with a chain gun and a blow torch. It's also a hub of trashtalk and the PB&J (passion, beauty, and joy) of Ameritrash games and culture. Plus, every time I post there, my computer pours me a beer. Hmmm, see ya...


I haven't been able to get my computer to pour me a beer no matter where I post.

I love AT-style games (though I do dabble in other types, too), just haven't been able to get in the groove over there, I guess, and I find better resources here, even for AT-style games (every game I own has player aids from BGG inside the box, every time I get a new game, the file areas and message areas here are the first places I look).
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