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The Geek tends to be focused on the games everyone loves, or occasionally the games everyone hates. But what about the games "everyone" agrees are just sort of mediocre. This list catalogs the games that very uniformly get ratings of 4, 5 or 6 and relatively infrequently outside this bound.

Specifically, the games are those where the average plus standard deviation is under 7 and the average minus a standard deviation is above 4. For games with a gaussian rating distributions, this means roughly 68% of the ratings fall between 4 and 7. Game ratings don't tend to be quite gaussian, but they're close. In most cases, these games earn almost no 10s and almost no 1s. In many cases, they're even more tightly grouped around the center. Games have to be rated by at least 125 people to get on the list.

So, where are the strong opinions, positive or negative, on these games? Or will everyone just say "Enh, they're ok."?

Games are listed in average rating order, starting with the "best of the mediocre".
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1. Board Game: The Hunt for Red October [Average Rating:5.79 Overall Rank:3550]
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Over half the ratings of this game are 5 or 6.
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Sounds about right from what I remember about this game. An interesting premise with TONS of fiddlyness for a very medicore experience.
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An unexciting game with no real problems. I'd rate it, but I'm not sure I can build up the energy to. :snore:
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A 6 from me. I think it's slightly better than average. It can be fun, and it was quite new for its time, but essentially it's pretty chromey. There is its bother, Red Storm Rising, as well. I would play either if anyone had an interst, but there are other games I'd prefer to play.

I own both. Not sure what their value is, but there you go.

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I've heard, somewhere or another, that the scenario in which you try to find the Red October is really fun. Any comments about that from anyone who knows?
2. Board Game: Gold Digger [Average Rating:5.68 Overall Rank:3687]
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Another "consensus 6" from Dr. Knizia.
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IIRC, The Eurogamers didn't find the game was meaty enough, while the "beer and pretzel" crowd didn't find enough "take that" in the game. I'd say it's a useful filler game to see if the "beer and pretzel" gamers in the group can even catch onto basic basic Eurogame strategy.
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this is usually given as the prime example of the poor designs Knizia did before Digging.
3. Board Game: The Warlock of Firetop Mountain [Average Rating:5.62 Overall Rank:4438]
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A couple haters, one 9, and a lot of "enh".
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4. Board Game: T-Rex [Average Rating:5.64 Overall Rank:4115]
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Only a single rating (a 2) on the edges. No 1s, 9s or 10s.
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Heh. I'm one of those eights. Like many card games, it benefits from getting played often. But I haven't played it in a while and I'm tempted to revise my rating down. Guess I can't do that now!
5. Board Game: Draco and Co [Average Rating:5.58 Overall Rank:4354]
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And this game gives each of the designers, Schacht (of Knights) and Faidutti (of Democrazy) their second game on the list, joining Knizia in the "sufficiently prolific to have 2 games few people have strong opinions of" category.
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Some people at my group were playing this about three weeks ago. They all said it was the worst game they had ever played. Something about being a drinking game without the booze...?

I've never played it, so I can't comment.
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This isn't mediocre- it's terrible. And I agree with the above assessment of it, though I wouldn't have come up with it myself.
Vaguely cool idea, theme good enough to make one play worthwhile, but not depth of any kind and to long to even be a good filler.
6. Board Game: Frog Juice [Average Rating:5.57 Overall Rank:4411]
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This always looked sort of mediocre, but I've never tried it.
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My daughter **loved** this game as a 8-10 year old. One of the very few games she would take and teach her to her friends. I guess if the BGG had more "junior" members, the ratings for this game might show some shift. So, yes, its a nice little game and just right for its target audience!
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We played this a lot as a filler without kids involved. Our kids weren't impressed with it, but did enjoy teh Mu variant that is very similar, go figure. :laugh:
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I may have the highest rating for it (I haven't checked as I type this) but my kids love it and will request it often. Maybe adults are rating it for adults when it is plainly a kids game? Don't know, but it is recommended on a couple of lists, which is where I found out about it.
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It's a good kids type game, but the witch cards make it a tad too wild luck dependent for it to be much above a six in my opinion. Thus I am not surprised to see the ratings clumping around 5-6.
7. Board Game: Knights [Average Rating:5.55 Overall Rank:4331]
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Another dice game. Is this a trend?
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This, on the other hand, is way, WAY too long for what it is. I like dice games, but they need more decisions and a much shorter duration than this one. A 4.
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Yeah, this one's been on my trade list forever. Bought it in Sweden almost 5 years ago. I didn't know anything about the game at the time, but I like Schacht so I gave it a go.

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This, on the other hand, is way, WAY too long for what it is.


I generally play this with only 2 or 3 people and it plays very quickly. We enjoy it a lot. If it dragged, I can see it would be a problem, but I've never played a game of it that felt long at all.
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I like this game with 2 or 3 players. I would avoid playing with more than 3.
8. Board Game: Orcz [Average Rating:5.51 Overall Rank:4651]
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More 6s than any 2 other ratings combined. I sense consensus.
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What a wackjob I am - I gave it a "7".
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What a wackjob I am - I gave it a "7".


And so did 18 other people. At least you're not the one and only whackjob that gave it a "9".
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I consider this one a great and largely underrated game. I've never entered ratings in the geek, since I have my own ideal game library, but if I would, this one will be 8 or 9, ezven when I didn't play it for a while.
9. Board Game: Savannah Café [Average Rating:5.52 Overall Rank:4522]
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No 1s, 9s or 10s for this one.
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This one is great as well, after a few games have teached you that antelopes don't have a sure win.
10. Board Game: Labyrinth Card Game [Average Rating:5.49 Overall Rank:5008]
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My view is with 2 this is a little better than mediocre and with more players, worse than mediocre.
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The ratings would be better if it came with a little plastic Bowie.
11. Board Game: Lucky Loop [Average Rating:5.44 Overall Rank:4956]
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I'm confident if this were shorter it would get some people who actually really liked it.
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Yes, no good ! But the box, the bits and the theme seemed nice...
12. Board Game: Evergreen [Average Rating:5.47 Overall Rank:4736]
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Wow, given some of the things I've heard about this one, I expected more low ratings.
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Evergreen is a fun, quick game that plays up to 6. It's been positively received by almost everyone I've shown it to.

Much better than the other games on this list, imo.
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It's not a bad game ! Not the greatest, but an honnest one.
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Two recommendations to keep this experience from rating lower than mediocre: Don't play with six players; five is the game's sweet spot. Don't play without the timer; people have to be forced into making quick decisions or the game outlasts its welcome by a wide margin.

Not the greatest game on the shelf, but one that can be played without pain.
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I think this game is underrated and even though Kramer was unhappy with the retheme, I think it is fun and has been well-received by everyone I've played the game with.

Is it overproduced? I suppose so but I generally find that to be a silly complaint and it sure is here since moving the dials on the records is amusing and an active part of the game.

I reviewed Evergreen on Boardgame Babylon way back on Volume 9 and it continues to hit the table occasionally.

...Sheylon

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13. Board Game: Democrazy [Average Rating:5.45 Overall Rank:5115]
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This one gets a reasonable showing of 7s, but a lot of 4s 5s and 6s.
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Yep, this one is bad. I guess I'll need to check out what Cedric owns and propose a trade.
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I really enjoy this game for what it is. It was a kick when we voted to conduct future votes standing up. The screwage factor is dialed up so high as to make the outcome fairly random, but it's the journey that's important here. I would recommend this to anyone who likes catch phrase. Both are more of an activity than a game.
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I'd be inclined to classify this as a party type game. It's definitely not a gamers game, and shouldn't be taken too seriously. I'd play this more for the social experience, than to win. As a result, it's not something that will get pulled out often, but it's perfect for the occasion when you have a group of 8-10 and don't want to play traditional party games like Pictionary. Maybe it's the fact that it's a crossover between Euro games and party games that makes it "solidly mediocre"?
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Martin, I just don't understand comparing Democrazy to Catch Phrase. I love Catch Phrase. It's reasonably sedate. You sit there and look at the little device, hoping to come up with a clue or two to get your team to get the answer and then pass it on to the next player. No, we don't shove it into the other player's hand to avoid the timer and we don't get frantic. It's a good game in the same way Trivial Pursuit or Jeopardy is, only quicker.

Democrazy, on the other hand, isn't just chaos--it's uncontrolled chaos. It completely loses the competitive game spirit and comes down to nothing more than an "experience." And not a good one at that.

I can see breaking out Catch Phrase at a party. I can't see subjecting Democrazy on a bunch of non-gaming friends at the church social, say.
14. Board Game: Smess: The Ninny's Chess [Average Rating:5.44 Overall Rank:5006]
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Noone hates it and only a few are particularly fond of it.
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I used to love this as a kid. I would like a copy now, though mostly out of nostalgia
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15. Board Game: Fossil [Average Rating:5.45 Overall Rank:4923]
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Also a reasonable number of 7s, but almost nothing above that.
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And a GAMES magazine Game of the Year, to boot.
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Interesting game play with somewhat convoluted scoring combined with screwage. The fossil art is never completed and is thus both wasted and a disappointment for those expecting some developing 'beauty' (which, in a form, is one appeal of Carcassonne).
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I couldn't trade this turkey fast enough -- This was part of my very first purchase, under-informed as I was...

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16. Board Game: Desperados [Average Rating:5.44 Overall Rank:5020]
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A Reiner Knizia game noone thinks is great and almost noone thinks is awful?
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This is reputed to be his first (or at least first-published) game, and came out when he was still in his teens. I have it and can report that it's pretty dull with two players, but it's clearly intended to be a four-player two-team game and is probably much better that way.
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this, for Dr Knizia, was the turning point.
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I liked this game when I first got it (and the play a card OR draw a card idea was new to me), but I think Knizia uses the same system better in Korsar.
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It is essential to play Digging with the original German rule which penalizes you a card for closing a mine under attack from bandits. Even then, it's a very mediocre game at best, even when played in partnerships with four players - it's just too dependent on the luck of the draw, and doesn't really allow for much strategic play. Has anyone else noticed that Knizia's "Loot" (1992) basically reworks the mechanics of "Digging" and is a similar game? "Loot" is a much better game as a result.
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Here's the all-important rule from the original German edition:

"If a mine is closed while it is being fought over, then the fight is over immediately. The last chest played on this mine is put onto the discard pile along with all the bandit cards played. Any other chests on the mine are turned over and counted at the end of the hand in the normal way."

Source: http://www.gamecabinet.com/sumoRulesBank/Digging.html
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Feel free to remove my comments if you think they are too distracting!
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I don't like this list. I simply do not appreciate mediocre games giving me the finger....
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LOL, Belisarius88! I was just about to post the same thing.
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This list could include about 70% of the games on the geek.
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