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Painted Into a Corner >> The Game Moves You Hate to Make
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After looking over some other GeekLists, session reports and game comments, I started to form a nebulous idea that I thought would eventually make a good GeekList on its own. I started to look over my collection and started to think about the moves that hurt to make...

They may be sub-optimal moves to stall or buy time, they may be the absolute worst move possible to you, but you have to take it anyway, perhaps the kind of move that just turns your stomach into knots -- or it may just be an analysis of the game and coming to the realization that "if I do this, I'm totally screwed." or "oh no... not again!"

What do you think?
What game moves do you absolutely hate to have to make?
Is it because it's the worst move for you, or too good a move for another player?
Is it a symptom of the game design, or a positional element of the gameplay?
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1. Board Game: Hansa [Average Rating:6.98 Overall Rank:314]
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Reloading Goods

I hate having my turn come around and seeing all the ports are bone dry -- because I hate having to spend one of my precious few actions restocking for everyone else to take advantage of. Unless I've got a ton of cash to burn, I just can't help but feel I'm doing far more for other people than I am for myself.

Grrr... arrrh
 
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This is the first thing I thought of. angryangry
 
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  • Posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 2:27 pm
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Reloading is all about timing. Don't wait until you have no choice but to reload. Do it when it's most advantageous to you. For example, if the city you're on, and the next one along the route are both empty (but everything else is relatively full) go ahead and refill it. You'll probably benefit.
 
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Reloading is actually a way to win. Just try to do it when you have 6 or more in cash at the start of your turn.
 
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  • Posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 11:50 pm
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I'm on the side of reloading too. Too many players get wrapped up in trying to collect tokens then they suddenly realize they could have reloaded and had a fresh batch of goods to sink their teeth into.

It is all about timing when you use the action however. You have to have more than 3 gold or get lucky enough to come into your turn in very good boat position.
 
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I believe this is another game that can suffer from groupthink for this exact reason. I've played with some people who hated the reloading action, but then we played with a player who started using it even when not forced, and timing it to his advantage. Suddenly, everybody started doing it and now it almost never happens that a player get stuck in a situation where he is forced to reload.
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2. Board Game: Puerto Rico [Average Rating:8.26 Overall Rank:3]
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Taking the Craftsman

I hate having to take the Craftsman myself to get my strategy humming. Invariably (probably due to poor play) I always feel that everyone else is going to benefit more from my turn if I take the Craftsman - they'll be able to sell to the Trader or reap the whirlwind shipping with the Captain. But there are times I know if I don't take it and generate some goods for myself, no one else will either!

Grrr... arrrh
 
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I hate slapping the guy to my right. But every once in a while it just needs to be done.
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  • Posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 2:24 pm
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John Brier
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Have you heard of a building called the small warehouse? Oh, you haven't? Well maybe you are familiar with the Wharf?
 
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  • Posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 11:50 pm
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O.k.,
Granted, I suck at this game (despite having played more than a few times)... but there's not a move IN Puerto Rico that I don't dread taking, for this exact reason.

-ZZ
 
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  • Posted Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:12 pm
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Even if you have a warehouse or a wharf, it's still better to let someone else pick craftsman, because you will be able to ship the goods earlier (as opposed to waiting for the next turn or possibly turn after that), and you also deny the other players points if you can fill up boats before them.
 
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  • Posted Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:47 pm
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sure, if craftsman benefited everyone equally; but when you are a "shipper", having a small warehouse or wharf can significantly increase your profit margin from crafting-shipping process (even if you are last in the shipping order), so if you have these you can be in the position of wanting to craft at almost every opportunity, which is befitting of your strategy! It's silly to have a better shipping infrastructure than everyone else and be afraid to craft- that's just a strategy for losing. I find moderately experienced players often get caught in the trap of "craftsman fear", which I guess is fine if you always pursue a "builder" strategy, but as anyone who knows the game will tell you: you can't always choose a strategy from the outset.

Another immensely (!) influential factor is boat control- nothing is more satisfying that plopping down a single coffee on the largest boat when you are the only one producing coffee (and did I mention you have a harbor?).
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3. Board Game: Torres [Average Rating:7.24 Overall Rank:184]
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Placing the King in the Final Round

I hate having to place the king somewhere on the board in the final round - because it means I'm in last place, and invariably, I haven't left myself any good spots where I can score the bonus but my opponents can't! I'm terrible at Torres, and placing the king in the final round is a subtle way the game gets to rub it in!

Grrr... arrrh
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If the game is close, I often position myself to be slightly in last place so that I can place the king. I've even gone so far as to add tower pieces so as to put someone else ahead of me, as long as I have a prime spot for the king.
 
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  • Posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 2:59 pm
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If you can place the king in position so you can get 15 points for not moving ANYTHING then it's a great thing - you'll get one extra turn to do whatever you want to get MORE points rather than having to worry if it's worth one of your turns to try and get to the 15 points.
I'd say it's worth positioning yourself there if yu're not that far behind the leader...
 
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Catching up is very hard to do in Torres. Sometimes that last king placement can help, but I hate to be in last place then, because it's hard to pass the folks who have put themselves on top of the big towers. So, the king on my small tower may be a good way to get back at them.

It just doesn't quite help enough. I guess that's a good game design, eh?
 
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4. Board Game: Masons [Average Rating:6.63 Overall Rank:712]
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Completing the First City

I hate completing the first city in Masons. Triggering scoring rounds for other people is tough enough, but I'm always fearful that my opponents have those huge scoring cards for Towers on the coast, or White Towers out in the fields, etc. Timing the completion of cities is always tough, based on the strength of the scoring cards, but that first city always gets me!

Grrr... arrrh
 
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Well then just make sure you're in last place when you score so that if your opponents have good cards, then you'll be able to benefit. Always make sure you're in last...wait a minute...that won't work. Never mind.
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Jeez, I hate to keep disagreeing with you here... wait, no I don't. devil

If you're opponents have the lousy towers on the coast card, you want to be completing a city as fast as you can. One that includes some of those coastal towers. Things are only going to get worse after all!
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If you think your opponents have large-scoring cards, then you should want to create a city.

And, you don't have to score when you create a city. So you can reduce the value of their cards by scoring early, and you don't have to. Since it's the first city, you have 0 points and are tied for last place, and you get to swap cards. That's almost always good to do early in the game.
 
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yeah, what they all said...forming the first city early (especially if you have crap cards) can give you a *huge* boost.
 
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Well... that still doesn't change the fact that I hate doing it...
 
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5. Board Game: Scrabble [Average Rating:6.45 Overall Rank:827]
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Playing Near a Triple Word Score

I hate playing words anywhere near a Triple Word Score. I try to stay two spaces away from them at all costs, even if it means throwing down 6-10 point words instead of hitting the Double Word Score spaces. Invariably, as soon as I inch too close to one and leave something odd like a K or a Q nearby, my opponent plays "ZPKQR" -- or something that looks equally illegible but is indeed a legal word.

Grrr... arrrh
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This I hate. Actually, I hate even starting a game of this, because I am doomed to failure. I can't spell, and this game kicks in my AP like none other.
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John Farrell
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I hate trading tiles. Playing near a triple word score is a calculated risk, you just have to make them work for it.
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My cousin's husband's family are a bunch of crossword loving, Scrabble-dictionary memorizing fanatics. They play words that consist purely of consonants and dare you to challenge them. Needless to say, simply agreeing to a game with them is a move I hate to make...
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Don't be afraid to trade tiles. 0 for the turn hurts, but limiting yourself to a substandard rack for multiple turns often hurts more.
 
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Jay Falcao
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Definitely agreed upon. I try to get near the triples so I can take advantage of them, but without fail my opponent will nab it first. I especially hate it when you have a high scoring word in your deck, but can't get it out before they use some silly three letter word first.
 
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6. Board Game: Santiago [Average Rating:7.21 Overall Rank:219]
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Placing My Single Irrigation Line -- Ever!

I hate being in a position where I feel I need to use my one, lonely irrigation line to save a field that will otherwise wilt. Invariably I feel I need to use it at least six times a game - but I always feel that by the game position, other folks will be able to horn in and use the water and gain more benefit out of it than I will. I am very bad at planning out where and when to use that little blue line, and it shows with my scores!

Grrr... arrrh
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Me too. Invariably, if you play it early, you'll need it later, and if you save it until later, you end up not needing it.
 
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Or worse, you'll never get to play it (if no one plays their extra for a long time).
 
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Or when you finally, desperately need it, someone else plays theirs first
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7. Board Game: Tigris & Euphrates [Average Rating:7.89 Overall Rank:15]
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Exchanging Tiles

I hate getting screwed by the draw and having to spend one of my precious few actions to improve my tile selection. Oh, look, a hand of nothing but black tiles! How useful! Let me burn 4 of those and draw some mo-- oh, look... 4 more black tiles! Now I can get crushed even quicker in a game I'm already horrible at.

Grrr... arrrh
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David Bohnenberger
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Unless you're sure you're winning and want to get the game over with as soon as possible...not that I'm ever in that position...
 
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Chester Ogborn
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I ALMOST never exchange tiles. The one exception is when I think I can trigger the end of the game and I think I stand to win. Better for me to get that extra turn than the guy next to me.

But I don't spend an action to get tiles unless its very late in the game and I desperately need something specific...and I'm just trying to get one more point by playing one tile (where the other 3 colors are already pumped up.)
 
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Exchanging tiles just before strating a conflict can be ver useful...
 
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  • Posted Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:29 pm
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Now I guess I have to be in the opposite camp again and say that exchanging your tiles is a way to dictate the length of the game, not to mention that it can definitely net you a much better pool of tiles.

I do not exchange often, but I do not hesitate when I need a better selection, or as was previously stated, the game is near it's end.
 
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I always exchange tiles as much as possible to get the game over and done with. Then we can move onto something enjoyable.
 
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8. Board Game: Lost Cities [Average Rating:7.14 Overall Rank:195]
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Committing to a Fourth Color

I hate throwing down cards for a fourth - or (gulp) fifth - color in Lost Cities. I tend to play shorter games pretty conservatively, and would prefer if my starting hand simply gave me three handshakes and 2-6 in a single color thankyouverymuch. Whenever I commit to a fourth color, I swear I get a brief flash of x-ray vision and can almost see my opponent holding the 8-9-10 cards of that color!

Grrr... arrrh
 
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I never really pay attention to how many colors I've started. Then I look down half way through the round and realize I have all 5 colors started, and that I'm boned.
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We call it "going five wide". I love to see my opponent do this since it is very difficult to get positive points in all 5 expeditions - it can be done, but not normally. Usaully if I go "5 wide" I am trying to rattle my opponent and know going in that one or two expeditions will be negative.
 
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I almost always commit to a fourth... it allows for a safe drop so you're not giving cards to your opponent. I've come out plus with four colours, but I don't think I've ever done it with five. The one drawback to this strategy is that it leaves relatively few cards in the discard stacks if you need to prolong the game a bit so you can lay down cards from your hand.
 
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I'm quite often happy to start a 'sacrificial' fourth colour, even if I'll only get 10-15 points out of it, if I'm holding out for cards to boost my double- or triple-investment colours.
 
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There's nothing wrong with a fourth color.

Even a fifth isn't so bad, depending on how you use it and why you opened it up. Sometimes it's better to start a color in which you'll have a negative score, rather than to give up a big opportunity cost in a strong color, or to discard something your opponent can use.

Starting a weak color can be a perfectly fine way to dump cards without giving them to your opponent.
 
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Heh - I'm a conservative player. If I start with 5-7-8 in a color and have no better moves, I'll just throw it down at the beginning knowing it will be worth 0.
 
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9. Board Game: Fearsome Floors [Average Rating:6.71 Overall Rank:512]
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Germany
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Sacrificing a player token to save another one.

I hate having to sacrifice my own tokens in order to save one of my other tokens in this game. This is made even worse by not knowing what follies my opponents my conceive of, so that I actually might end up with more than one fatality in a single turn -- of the second phase, naturally!

Grrr... arrrh
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I am generally more than happy to "sacrifice" a piece as they come back in the first phase anyway. Directing the monster away from your intended winning pieces tends to lead to more victories than an all out race for the exit while avoiding the monster strategy.
 
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"Hey, I don't have to run faster than the monster, I just have to run faster than you!!!"
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10. Board Game: Go [Average Rating:7.77 Overall Rank:41]
L. Stitz
Germany
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Too much pressure early on in the game

I hate having to play several gote moves in a row while not even being in yose yet. (Note to self: Search for a weaker opponent next time.)

Grrr... arrrh
 
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I didn't know Dr. Seuss designed Go!

Is there a zug under the rug? A yot in the pot?
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Steve Krebs
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A findow in the window?
 
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Would that make you a Stitzl in the Schnitzel?
 
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Tim Thorp
Spain
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The Ynnen will leave you grinnen'
 
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OUCH!!!!gulpgulpgulp
 
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11. Board Game: Blood Bowl (Third Edition) [Average Rating:7.54 Overall Rank:130]
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Germany
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Wasting A Bloody Re-Roll

I hate having to use a re-roll just because I botched some easy action at the beginning of my turn. I mean, come on: Blocking with assistance, so I roll two dice and get to choose which result to use -- what could possibly go wrong? Yeah, exactly!

Grrr... arrrh
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Agreed! Excellent addition - because invariably, when forced to re-roll early, that kills your turn!
 
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Amen, brother.

It gets worse when you blow a three-die block... twice.
 
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Yes, this is what makes Bloodbowl such a great game. Learn to prioritize. I usually (but not always) do stuff in this order:

1) Free stuff for which I don't have to roll any dice. Also, I try to use free moves to cover my opponent in case of a turn-over.
2) Important Stuff which absolutely HAS to succeed. In case of a botched action I usually use my team reroll for this. If this fails, well, thats Bloodbowl....
3) Unimportant stuff like blocking the Line of Scrimage, two-dice no-skills blocks etc.
 
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It gets really painfull when that reroll bags you another set of skulls! cry
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What hurts more is that one-reroll-one when going for it for the tying touchdown on the "bottom" of the 8th turn of the 2nd half.
 
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12. Board Game: Caylus [Average Rating:7.97 Overall Rank:11]
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Germany
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Building on the castle to avoid the VP penalty

I hate being forced to build on the castle or risk having VP deducted otherwise. I mean, why did he have to push the bayliff that far down the street last round? Or why did she build three parts of the keep (so that there is only one part left), when actually one part would have been enough for her to secure the favour? And how on earth do I get the resources for castle building now, anyway?

Grrr... arrrh
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I mean, why did he have to push the bayliff that far down the street last round? Or why did she build three parts of the keep (so that there is only one part left), when actually one part would have been enough for her to secure the favour? And how on earth do I get the resources for castle building now, anyway?


It would appear that the move you hate is "Playing against people who can play this game".
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It would appear that the move you hate is "Playing against people who can play this game".

Yeah, I try to avoid that if possible...
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13. Board Game: Carcassonne: Inns & Cathedrals [Average Rating:7.59 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.59 Unranked]
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Placing the Cathedral

I hate placing the cathedral in Carcassonne. Every time I draw it, I either have no city open where I could place it (so that I must donate it to smirking the opponent), or it is that late in the game that no sane mind would risk playing it on his own city anyway. That's when you are quite happy to place it in a city your opponent owns -- who from then on will draw only city tiles and thus be able to finish that damn city for good!

Grrr... arrrh
 
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In our last game of Carcassonne, both cathedral tiles were drawn in the last two turns of the game! You are absolutely correct in this complaint.
 
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Ha I was going to put this. The last time this happened to me the only city left was mine, I only needed one tile to close it (before the cathedral), I had been unable to close it earlier, and hit a real dry spell, only pulling dead end roads for the past 5 or 6 moves, and it would have been a very profitable city had I finished it... it didn't turn out to being a profitable city.

Thank goodness for the cathedral for putting some extra tension into the game.
 
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I dunno, the cathedral makes a city worth zilch if they don't finish it....and you can get everyone to help you make sure they never do

We call the cathedral tiles "City Killers".
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I love the cathedral, unless I'm forced to play it on my own city that is...
 
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14. Board Game: Jambo [Average Rating:7.15 Overall Rank:222]
Lori
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I hate having to buy the first extra market stall. When I can get my opponent to do it, then I can get mine at half price, and life is sweet. But my usual opponent will never buy the damn thing! So if I have a sequence of trades lining up that requires more space, I have to spend my gold on the first stall, because he won't buy one. Or worse yet, he will buy one--after I have made it half price! Or even more annoyingly, he won't, but he will draw all the extra stall cards and taunt me by discarding them. Aaarrghhh.
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I think I hate it much more not to have *any* market stall during all game.
But that's not for this list, really...
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Barak E
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Just play with me. I'll put down a market stall pretty much as soon as I get one, whether one has been put down or not. The benefit far outweighs the added cost early in the game.

And I win more often than not.

My favorite 2-player game.
 
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Daniel Corban
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Early is the key to making the small market viable. Having a defended Supplies also makes the small market very useful.

I usually just try to dump one of my wares via Drums (one of my favorite cards), so that I only have 5 ware spaces in use.
 
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15. Board Game: Blokus [Average Rating:7.15 Overall Rank:200]
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Playing a small piece while I still have a larger one.

The worst example of this is being forced to play the one block because you don’t have any other moves for the pieces you have left. I hate this move because it usually means I’m already in trouble and destined for a loss. It usually means that the other players have done a very good job of blocking me out and now I’m in trouble. Even when I’m using it as a bridge to new areas, it still means they are now a few squares ahead of me. If they play a 3 and I can only play a 1 or 2, they’ve gained an advantage of 1 or 2 pieces. Against good players, this deficit can be hard to overcome.

This same move is my least favorite in Blokus Trigon and Gemblo too.
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Yup.
 
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Timothy P
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First one I thought of.
 
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I disagree with this one. Playing your one or two piece, can sometimes open up larger sections of the board that can be overlooked.
 
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Likewise in Blokus 3D.

PS Yellowlab: Yes, of course playing small pieces can sometimes open up larger sections of the board (otherwise why the heck would you play the small piece when there are still large ones?)... but we still hate to do it.
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16. Board Game: YINSH [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:65]
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I hate having to destroy a good position for me to avoid the other player to get the five pieces together. Especially true if you destroy a very good position only to delay him a play or two, but you had to do it, otherwise, even you making the point first, he would win the game.
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Sometimes you can purposefully ruin a good position in the hope that your opponent will move his ring away, which is when you jump the same line and restore your position! Just watch your opponent's reaction! (It will be something like this: gulp )
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Greg Payne
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Reflip moves can be very strong.
 
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17. Board Game: Chess [Average Rating:7.09 Overall Rank:245]
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Pennsylvania
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I hate playing right after someone plays Pawn to A4 for their opening move.

Whenever I play chess with someone who has no idea how to play, they will start out with this move. I have a little brain aneurism and realize that my strategy is completely worthless. They say something like "but my rook can now come out quicker." angryangryangry

It stinks if I am black, but stinks more if I am white and opened 'correctly'.

-DK
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I had a friend who always did this "opening" (which we, incorrectly called "The Polish"). It is a bit frustrating, but I almost always won if I got my pieces developed quickly and attacked on of his weak spots.
 
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Pawn a4 (or h4) can be a nice move if your friend keeps getting stuck with black. My friend David and I decide on color by one person concealing pawns (1 black and 1 white), one per hand, with the other choosing. There's an improbable skew toward me getting white. He most times insists on this ritual, and insists on abiding by the result. We play fortnightly over dinner, and often only play one game.

a4 is my friend. It's a way of getting to play second

Sometimes doing what seems to be a very sub-optimal move can lead to an interesting game, especially when your opponent occasionally responds in the same vein.
 
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I hate it when my only choice to get out of check is to move my queen between my king and their (invariable) weaker piece, such as a bishop or rook. It means I have just lost my queen. Argh.
 
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Savielly Tartakover once said, "As long as an opening is dubious, its playable!"
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Kevin Loughran
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(btw, the Polish Opening is 1.b4. The Polish Defence is 1.d4 b5 2.e4 Bb7)
 
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I hate having to stuf up my power plants with fuel only to prevent an adversary from buying resources. Especially true if the money would be necessary later to build more cities on the same round.
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My first thought of this game was - I hate HAVING to bid on a plant (knowing that if I don't, I'm doomed) but knowing that taking a plant will make a REALLY good plant available for someone else after me.
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Why do you hate the market? It's a great 'screw your neighbor' mechanic. If you don't like doing it, don't do it. You are never forced to. Power Grid has a really great economy built into it for how simple it is, and this is just a part of that.
 
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yeah, I hate having to buy a crappy powerplant only to drop a good one from the future market.
Worse still if the future market is loaded with good end-game plants and you're gambling on the fact that the next one out will be cheaper than all of those.
 
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I hate being forced to by a 4 power plant that sticks me at 14.

I hate having all the resources bought from me just because I'm in the lead with cities.

I hate having to pass first, knowing that someone's going to buy and I'll miss a chance at a great power plant.

I hate garbage, but I don't know why.

Great game choice!
 
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I hate having to play...ummm...any move?

I still think you should be able to jump off you highest hotel and commit meeplecide in order to get out of the game quicker.

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I hate it when you're not just forced to play this game with others, but you then have to explain the actual rules. cry
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I hate it when you're not just forced to play this game with others, but you then have to explain the actual rules. cry


which everyone will then complain "that's not how *I've* ever played it" and your time will have been wasted
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which everyone will then complain "that's not how *I've* ever played it" and your time will have been wasted


And since they don't have the manual, you will proceed to play the game with 500$ on free parking.
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Poor old monopoly, give it a break...it was designed 10 squillion years ago and a lot of people do like it.

An Art freak may scoff at my liking a nice boring watercolour, but I don't 'get' post modern existntial cubism, therefoe I wont look at it.

Bashing monopoly is like taking a pension book of an OAP, easy to do, cos they can't really fight back.
 
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20. Board Game: Taj Mahal [Average Rating:7.46 Overall Rank:102]
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I hate when it comes to your turn and you aren't in a position to claim any items. Putting down that extra card or two is never an easy decision, cause then it's WAR!
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Agreed; having to cut bait after you've committed cards truly sucks, but often is all you can do to salvage your position.
 
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John Brier
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you gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em...
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Chuck Uherske
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This is a whole game built around difficult choices.

Gaining limited experience playing online, I'm growing resigned to this. If I know going in to a round that my position is hopeless, I'm often happy to spend a card I know I'll never be able to profitably use, simply to force an opponent to spend more to win something.
 
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Michael Garrett
United States
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yes this game is pretty brutal
 
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God I would hate to play this game online. It's like online poker, how do you read in your opponents eyes whether they are going to gut it out? Plus, online i'm sure it's really easy to track what everyone has. boring.
 
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21. Board Game: Descent: Journeys in the Dark [Average Rating:7.54 Overall Rank:77]
Kevin Wood
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Move: Opening a chest.

"Oh please please please don't let me get turned into a monkey!"

 
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Yes, you really find out how devoted your friends are once you've been turned into a monkey. If they fall off their chairs laughing while you get turned into monkey stew, you see deep into their cold, black hearts.

Not that I'm referring to anybody who has posted to this GeekList, of course!
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Niko Ruf
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I hate the mimics much more than the monkey trap. First, the chest whacks you (and a beastman or ogre hits hard!), and then it runs away and you need to chase your precious treasure.
 
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Iain Triffitt
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Wait a minute! You can turn into a monkey in Descent?!?

I just thought it was another overproduced FFG piece of shit (of which I have... several (cough, Runebound, Arkham Horror, cough)) but if you get to piss off creationists at the same time...


Oh wait - they'll just argue that it's a fantasy game, won't they...?


still... MONKEYS!!!!!
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Michael Lawson
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Being turned into a toad in Talisman sure ain't no picnic either.
 
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This just sold me on the game Goodbye money, hello Mr. Monkey!
 
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22. Board Game: Tsuro [Average Rating:6.47 Overall Rank:818]
Tiago Ali de Oliveira Bueno
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I hate having to save another player because if I kill him I would die too.
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I play kamikaze Tsuro. I know it's fairly likely that I'll die, so my goal is to take as many players with me as possible. Therefore, the situation above is not a difficult one for me. devil
 
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Remember that, by the rules, you can not kill yourself if you have any other choice, no matter how many "souls" you save with you.
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23. Board Game: Thurn and Taxis [Average Rating:7.19 Overall Rank:178]
Mark Haberman
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I hate having to clear the board. Same goes for Atlantic Star, but it's not as painful there.
 
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Don't necessarily like clearing the board, unless you hear a stream of groans right after doing so...then it was totally worth it
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Kristoffer Lindh
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I love clearing the board, it always makes me feel like an asshole, in a good way.
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Stephen Groves
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Collective suicide can be somewhat empowering in a Jim Jones kind of way. If you can't beat 'em, make 'em join you!
 
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24. Board Game: Goa [Average Rating:7.75 Overall Rank:28]
Mark Haberman
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I hate having to use a track where I'm on the first level. Especially if I need to use it to get the track to the next level. For instance, needing to use the boat track to get a boat, so that I can advance the boat track.
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For a similar reason, I hate using a powerful card in a not-so-powerful way. (Example: using the 'Special Harvest' card when I can only harvest 2 items.)

On a different note: I hate having to take my own tile at auction due to cheap opponents.
 
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M Dornbrook
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Argh, the boats track is always my downfall. Can't I just buy them in an auction? It's such a weak track. All you get are boats. With all of the other tracks you can get something else, too (except the colonist track).
 
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Barak E
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I hate playing this game.

Does that count?

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mdornbrook wrote:
Argh, the boats track is always my downfall. Can't I just buy them in an auction? It's such a weak track. All you get are boats. With all of the other tracks you can get something else, too (except the colonist track).


I was thinking about this too. It always seems like a waste of a move when I have to take ships.
 
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25. Board Game: Blood Bowl: Living RuleBook [Average Rating:7.93 Overall Rank:56]
Simon Johnston
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Re-rolling a Push-back

Nobody likes rerolling a pushback.

Everyone knows the only possible outcome is a skull.

But sometime you just gotta do it. If it works it'll be a certain score.

Oh look, you rolled a skull. angry
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I play by the rule of "Never reroll a pushback unless it's absolutely the only way to win." If you do need to reroll a pushback you're probably in trouble anyway.
I can't count the number of touchdowns I've scored thanks to opponents unnecesarily rerolling an pushback! I once beat the world's highest ranked skaven player in a tourney because he rerolled a push/push into a double skull after which I took a 1-die block on his ball carrier to score. ninja
 
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Tom Thingamagummy
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One of the things I hate, is when your in a weak position in a game, you're forced to attack the one person who is doing worse than you. It's the only way to have a chance at recovery in some games, but you basically make someone's bad game so much worse.
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arkibet wrote:
but you basically make someone's bad game so much worse.


And the problem with that is what exactly?
 
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