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Military Hardware Shootout: Fighter Planes of WWII - Winner Announced!
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Recently viewing Ben Lott's geeklists on movies, I've decided to do something not very game related myself.

Being a bit of an amateur historian, I've compiled a list of what I believe to be the best fighter aircraft of the Second World War. What We're going to do is face them off against each other, then see who wins! Pretty simple.

Thumbs up are positive votes. You can thumbs down an entry by commenting with the thumbsdown emoticon. You can also comment on why you think it is or isn't deserving of the title of Best Fighter of World War II. In fact, debate and discussion are heavily encouraged.

Rather than doing a multi-round elimination ladder, it's going to be a straight-up battle royale. The plane with the highest number of votes (minus negatives of course) will win! This geeklist's outcome will be decided on Friday. You may add new aircraft I have missed, provided they were used as air superiority fighters, and they were used in Combat in WWII. No Stukas or Mosquitos. No Bearcats either.

VOTING RULES: Vote for as many aircraft as you like. Polls close this Saturday at 11:59PM, when I will tally the results and declare what BGG picked as the greatest fighter off WWII.

If this is successful, I plan to do a whole series.

All information is sourced from Wikipedia.


Final Rankings:

0 Votes: Brewster F2A Buffalo, Nakajima KI-43 "Oscar"
1 Vote: Dewoitine D.520C.1
2 Votes: FIAT CR.42 "Falco", Gloster Gladiator (or Gloster SS.37), Hawker Tempest, Polikarpov I16
3 Votes: Yakovlev Yak 9, Curtiss P-40 Tomahawk/Warhawk/Kittyhawk, PZL P11C
4 Votes: Fokker G1 'Jachtkruiser', Mitsubishi A6M Zero "Zeke"
5 Votes: Grumman F6F Hellcat
6 Votes: Macchi C205V Veltro
8 Votes: Republic P-47D Thunderbolt
9 Votes: Messerschmitt Bf-109/Me-109
10 Votes: Lockheed P-38J Lightning
11 Votes: Messerscmitt Me-262 Schwalbe
12 Votes: Chance-Vought F4U Corsair
15 Votes: Supermarine Spitfire
17 Votes: Focke-Wulf FW-190
18 Votes: Hawker Hurricane (bit of a suprise there)

AND THE WINNER WITH 24 VOTES IS:

North American Aviation P-51D Mustang
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1. Board Game: Spitfire! [Average Rating:4.10 Unranked]
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Aircraft: Supermarine Spitfire




Manufacturer: Supermarine

Country of Origin: Great Britain

Powerplant: 1 Rolls-Royce Merlin 45 supercharged V12 engine, 1,470 hp at 9,250 ft (1,096 kW at 2,820 m)

Armament: 2 x 20 mm (0.787 in) Hispano Mk II cannon, 60 (later 120) shells per gun
4 x 0.303 caliber (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns, 350 rounds per gun

Maximum speed: 330 knots (378 mph, 605 km/h)

The fast and agile Spitfire was a darling of the RAF. Though vastly outnumbered by her comrade the Hawker Hurricane at the onset of the war, the Spitfire is the most memorable british fighter plane of WWII. Equipped with guns and 2 250lb bombs, it was formidable as a dogfighter, and could pack a punch as a ground attack aircraft as well. The Spit is widely considered the most beautiful fighter ever built. With a service life from 1938-1955, it would eventually serve with 32 different countries, including most of postwar Europe, the Soviet Union, and the United States.
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So, how come the Hurricane gets all it's variant weapon layouts listed, but the Spit doesn't? Rather than separate marks having separate weapons, the Spit was designed with different wings - literally. The same mark could have one of a selection of wing types fitted, with different weapons.

So... to make an attempt at this...
Mark I to V
a wing: 8 .303 MGs
b wing: 2 20 mm cannon, 4 MGs
From Mk V on the a wing was dropped, and another added
c or Universal wing: interchangeable weapon fit, either
8 .303 MGs
2 20mm cannon & 4 .303 MGs
or 4 20mm cannon
From the Mk IX on there was generally only one fit
e wing: 2 20mm cannon and 2 .50 MGs

So you have Mk 1a and Mk1b, Mk Vb and MkVc, but usually the Mk IX was just the Mk IX...

Now I see why you didn't list them...cry
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Wulf Corbett wrote:
So, how come the Hurricane gets all it's variant weapon layouts listed, but the Spit doesn't? Rather than separate marks having separate weapons, the Spit was designed with different wings - literally. The same mark could have one of a selection of wing types fitted, with different weapons.

So... to make an attempt at this...
Mark I to V
a wing: 8 .303 MGs
b wing: 2 20 mm cannon, 4 MGs
From Mk V on the a wing was dropped, and another added
c or Universal wing: interchangeable weapon fit, either
8 .303 MGs
2 20mm cannon & 4 .303 MGs
or 4 20mm cannon
From the Mk IX on there was generally only one fit
e wing: 2 20mm cannon and 2 .50 MGs

So you have Mk 1a and Mk1b, Mk Vb and MkVc, but usually the Mk IX was just the Mk IX...

Now I see why you didn't list them...cry


precisely but thanks for trying.
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2. Board Game: Hurricane [Average Rating:6.62 Unranked]
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Aircraft: Hawker Hurricane



Manufacturer: Hawker Siddeley

Country of Origin: Great Britain

Powerplant: 1 Rolls-Royce Merlin XX liquid-cooled V-12, 1,185 hp at 21,000 ft (883 kW at 6,400 m)

Armament:
IIA: 8 x 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns
IIB: 12 x 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns
IIC: 4 x 20 mm Hispano Mk II cannon
IID: 2 x 40 mm Vickers Type S cannon, 2 x 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns

2 250 or 500lb bombs

Maximum Speed: 340 mph (547 km/h) at 21,000 ft (6,400 m)

Not as famous, fast, or flashy as her cousin the Spitfire, the Hawker Hurricane was nonetheless an essential part of the RAF during WWII. Hurricanes accounted for the majority of fighters and bombers shot down during the Battle of Britain. The Versatile Hurricane was equally adept at ground strikes and air combat.
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I give the Hurricane the moniker of the most underappreciated fighter of WWII. Where the Spit was flashy, the Hurri was a work-horse.

I personally like the North African version of the Hurricane, but that's just me

I also like the lines of the Hurricane moreso than the Spit, but do admit that the Spit is one fine looking airplane.

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This aircraft was also utilized in the "C.A.M." project-"Catapult Aircraft Merchantman", where it was mounted upon a rocket assisted launcher to defend "Convoys" against attack! It was a one-time use preventative measure in order to guard against being out of ranges for any of those that didn't have airplanes handy, as this had to "ditch" in the ocean when it was finished.
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While I've missed the poll by years, I'd have to go with the Hurri. She had an ungainly beauty all her own. I've always had a soft spot for her. Don't get me wrong, the Spit is beautiful period. But in my book, the Hurri won the Battle of Britain (figuratively speaking). As stated above, a most under-appreciated machine!
 
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3. Board Game: Mustangs [Average Rating:6.44 Overall Rank:2301]
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Aircraft: North American Aviation P-51D Mustang



Manufacturer: North American Aviation

Country of Origin: United States

Powerplant: 1 Packard Merlin V-1650-9 liquid-cooled supercharged V-12, 1,380 hp (1,030 kW) military, 2,218 hp (1,655 kW) WEP

Armament: 6 x 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns with 1,880 total rounds (400 rounds for each on the inner pair, and 270 rounds for each of the outer two pair), or 4 of the same guns with 1,600 total rounds (400 per gun).

Maximum Speed: 437 mph (703 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,620 m)

One of the fastest single engined planes of the war, the USAAC P-51D Mustang was a superb fighter. It saw action mainly in Europe, and served with distinction escorting B-17 and B-24 bombers to their targets. The P-51 with external tanks was the first plane capable of the task, which greatly dropped the loss rate for the bombers. P-51Ds had a Packard-built version of the wonderful Rolls Royce Merlin engine, which gave them their incredible speed. The last P-51s were retired from service in 1984 by the Dominican Republic.
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P51 gets my vote for its unique combination of range and performance. It had the most strategic impact of any fighter.
 
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Chuck Yeager flew a P-51 and I believe - although am too lazy to verify - he was shot down in one...

My favorite WWII fighter. P-38 comes in second, in my book.
 
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This design was saved by the Merlin engine clones. Originally its power plant was pretty weak. A cadillac bird this comes in second for me behind the P38.
 
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This design was saved by the Merlin engine clones. Originally its power plant was pretty weak.


Not necessarily weak; it just couldn't perform at high altitudes (the Allison engine did not have superturbochargers). The British loved the handling and performance of the low altitude Mustangs (or A-36 Apaches as some were called). It was an excellent dive bomber as well.

For those of you wondering just what was it that gave the Mustang the long range to get to Berlin and back, it wasn't the engine. Remember, this same engine was in the Spitfire and it certainly wasn't a long range aircraft. No, the main difference was in the wings. The Mustang was the first aircraft designed with a laminar flow wing (courtesy of a recent NACA concept) where the thickest part of the wing was in the center and not at the leading edge as in most aircraft of the period. The fuselage was narrower as well as the overall design of the Mustang was to be low drag. The later addition of the Packard-Merlin engine meant the Mustang could then fly and fight at higher altitudes as compared to the Allison-engined Mustangs. The Mustang was also fairly easy to fly and was a very stable gun platform as well.

Another bit of history: The Ford Mustang, introduced to the public in April of 1964, was actually named after the World War II fighter plane. Due to the ongoing shenanigans in Vietnam, however, Ford wisely chose to advertise their new and sensational car with the wild pony theme.
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4. Board Game: Thunderbolt/Apache Leader [Average Rating:7.22 Overall Rank:1389]
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Aircraft: Republic P-47D Thunderbolt



Manufacturer: Republic Aviation Company

Country of Origin: United States

Powerplant: 1 Pratt & Whitney R-2800-59 twin-row radial engine, 2,535 hp (1,890 kW)

Armament:
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Maximum Speed: 426 mph at 30,000 ft (685 km/h at 9,145 m)

The large, powerful Thunderbolt was an excellent USAAC fighter that served in both theatres, but mainly in Europe. The P-47, or "Jug" as it was called, was the largest single engine fighter of WWII. Though it required a long takeoff and landing run, and was by comparison slow to turn, at high altitude it was unmatched. The P-47 was a good air combat fighter, but was better known for its ground-attack capability, mounting rockets, bombs, and 8 .50-cal machine guns.
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I love this plane! Perfect in its roll as an attack aircraft, and much unloved by the uninitiated.


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I love this plane! Perfect in its roll as an attack aircraft, and much unloved by the uninitiated.


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I agree -- my favorite as well!!

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The real WWII workhorse.

There was an interesting episode of Dogfights (History Channel) where they talk about a pilot named Robert S Johnson...(from Wiki):

"One of the 56th's worst setbacks occurred on June 26, 1943, when 48 P-47Cs left a forward operating base at RAF Manston late in the afternoon to provide escort for B-17 Flying Fortress bombers returning from a mission against Villacoublay airfield in the Paris suburbs. As the P-47s approached the rendezvous point near Forges-les-Eaux, they were jumped from above and behind by 16 Focke-Wulf Fw 190s of II Gruppe, JG 26. The first pass scattered the Thunderbolts, and Johnson's aircraft, flying at the rear of the 61st Squadron's formation, was seriously damaged by a 20mm shell that exploded in his cockpit and ruptured his hydraulic system. Burned and blinded by hydraulic fluid, Johnson elected to bail out but could not open his shattered canopy.

After disengaging from the fight and re-orienting himself, Johnson dove for the Channel but was intercepted by a single Fw 190. Unable to fight back, he maneuvered violently while under attack, and although sustaining heavy damage, managed to survive until the German ran out of ammunition, at which point it turned back. This latter opponent has never been identified, but Johnson could have been one of three victories claimed that day by the commander of III/JG 2, Oberst Egon Mayer.[1] After landing, Johnson tried to count the bullet holes in his airplane, but when he passed 200 without even moving around the plane, he gave up."

The episode of Dogfights showed a simulation of the fight and it showed the German plane flying back and forth, raking the thunderbolt with gunfire from behind, but the Thunderbolt kept on flying and Johnson was unharmed.

An amazing plane for sure!

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"One of the 56th's worst setbacks occurred on June 26, 1943, when 48 P-47Cs left a forward operating base at RAF Manston late in the afternoon to provide escort for B-17 Flying Fortress bombers returning from a mission against Villacoublay airfield in the Paris suburbs. As the P-47s approached the rendezvous point near Forges-les-Eaux, they were jumped from above and behind by 16 Focke-Wulf Fw 190s of II Gruppe, JG 26. The first pass scattered the Thunderbolts, and Johnson's aircraft, flying at the rear of the 61st Squadron's formation, was seriously damaged by a 20mm shell that exploded in his cockpit and ruptured his hydraulic system. Burned and blinded by hydraulic fluid, Johnson elected to bail out but could not open his shattered canopy.

After disengaging from the fight and re-orienting himself, Johnson dove for the Channel but was intercepted by a single Fw 190. Unable to fight back, he maneuvered violently while under attack, and although sustaining heavy damage, managed to survive until the German ran out of ammunition, at which point it turned back. This latter opponent has never been identified, but Johnson could have been one of three victories claimed that day by the commander of III/JG 2, Oberst Egon Mayer.[1] After landing, Johnson tried to count the bullet holes in his airplane, but when he passed 200 without even moving around the plane, he gave up."

The episode of Dogfights showed a simulation of the fight and it showed the German plane flying back and forth, raking the thunderbolt with gunfire from behind, but the Thunderbolt kept on flying and Johnson was unharmed.

An amazing plane for sure!


Fortunately for Johnson, the FW-190 pilot was out of 20mm ammo, and shot up the Jug with 7.92mm machine gun rounds. The German pilot gave up after four firing passes when his ammo ran out, saluted Johnson, and went home thinking there was no way the Jug would make it home. Wrong. After the war, Johnson somehow met with the German pilot, who was astounded that Johnson did in fact make it back to base. The German pilot had his record corrected to show one less kill.

The Jug was an incredibly tough plane, but couldn't match the range of the Mustang, and comes in #2 on my list (the P-51 is #1).
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5. Board Game: Lightning: D-Day [Average Rating:6.16 Overall Rank:2673]
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Aircraft: Lockheed P-38J Lightning



Manufacturer: Lockheed

Powerplant: 2 x Allison V-1710-111/113 liquid-cooled turbosupercharged V-12, 1,600 hp (1,194 kW) each

Armament:
Hispano M2(C) 20 mm cannon with 150 rounds (2 AP, 2 tracer and 2 HE ammo belt composition) and 4x Colt-Browning MG53-2 0.50 in (12.7 mm) machine guns with 500 rounds per gun.
10x 5 in (127 mm) HVAR's (High Velocity Aircraft Rocket) and/or:
Either 2x 2,000 lb (907 kg) or 1,000 lb (454 kg), 4x 500 lb (227 kg) or 4x 250 lb (113 kg) bombs

Maximum Speed: 414 mph at 25,000 ft (667 km/h at 7,620 m)

The Fastest fighter we had at the outset of war, the P-38 earned a reputation as a fierce opponent in both theatres. The P-38J was just as good against enemy airplanes as ground targets. Its punishing 20MM cannon and 4 50 caliber machine guns gave it plenty of sting. The Twin-engine Lightning was the plane of American Ace Of Aces Richard I. Bong, with 40 kills, and the second highest scoring american ace, Thomas McGuire, with 38 kills.
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I had the pleasure of meeting one of the P-38's designers about ten years back (since passed away, unfortunately), next door neighbor to my parents, who lived near an old airfield with a number of restored WW-II fighters on display - including a rather beatup P-40 (hey, no Warhawks on this list? That's wrong!) on a pole, visible from the highway!

The Lightning went through about a bazillion different versions and really only came into it's own near the end of it's lifespan. After the war, you could buy a surplused/decommissioned Lightning for about $800.

Painful, huh?
 
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Richard Bong - Interesting cat...
 
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Hey! Love this plane! Met up with a WWII P38 pilot who, being jumped by two German planes, was shot down over France after flying escort to a bombing mission. He loved it too. Still had part of his plane wreckage with him 45 years later. This was the only prop driven plane that could almost achieve mach speeds in a dive. To go any faster you had to think jets.
 
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The Lightning went through about a bazillion different versions and really only came into it's own near the end of it's lifespan. After the war, you could buy a surplused/decommissioned Lightning for about $800.

Painful, huh?


I'll take ten...
 
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The Twin-engine Lightning was the plane of American Ace Of Aces Richard I. Bong, with 40 kills, and the second highest scoring american ace, Thomas McGuire, with 38 kills.


Although the Germans feared the P-38 (calling it the fork-tailed devil) the Lightning really earned its reputation in the Pacific, where the extra engine made a big difference when flying missions over vast expanses of water. Charles Lindbergh showed P-38 pilots how to extend the range of the big Lightning, which led to the mission where P-38s shot down Japanese Admiral Yamato, architect of the Pearl Harbor attack. Bong probably could have been credited with 80 kills, but since a lot of the Japanese planes he shot up fell into thick cloud cover he was not allowed to claim those as kills (since they could not be "verified"). Sadly, Bong was killed test flying the new P-80 jet fighter on August 6, 1945 - the same day the U.S. dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima.

All of the guns on the P-38 were fixed straight ahead - all the pilot had to do was lead the target and fire - no need to converge the guns. Engine problems caused the P-38 to miss being deployed early enough to escort the first B-17 raids into Germany, and compression problems plagued the plane when put into high speed dives. All in all, though, a most impressive aircraft that the enemy hated to face.
 
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6. Board Game: Whistling Death [Average Rating:8.28 Overall Rank:1158]
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Aircraft: Chance Vought F4U Corsair



Manufacturer: Chance Vought

Country of Origin: United States

Powerplant: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-8 radial engine, 2,000 hp (1,500 kW)

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4 x 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns, 400 rounds per gun 2 x 0.50 in Browning M2 machine guns, 375 rounds per gun
Rockets: 4× 5 in (12.7 cm) High Velocity Aircraft Rockets and/or
Bombs: 2,000 lb (910 kg)


Maximum Speed: 417 mph (362 knots, 671 km/h)

The bent wing F4U, or "Hosenose" as she was known by her pilots, was a very fast, somewhat unweidly fighter. her signature cues were her huge propeller, which necessitated her bent wings, and her long fuselage forward of the pilot's canopy. The Turbocharger fitted to her engine caused the japanese pilots to give this most hated American plane a nickname, "Whistling Death." Corsairs were most at home fighting enemy airplanes, but were also good at ground attack.
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I have to go with the Corsair. I've had a love afair with the Hog since I was young. At first I was just infatuated by her looks but now, with age, I've come to appreciate her for more then just a sexy fighter. Currently I'm in the process of writing a book about the Corsair.

The Corsair would be my vote for best Prop driven fighter or WW2. Why? Well several reasons.

While it had several teething problems it was the pre-eminent US Navy fighter of WW2. I'm sure other aviation buffs will point out the Hellcat had a higher kill ratio, which is true, but it's not the whole picture. Corsair performance was better all around, save for low speed turning in the horizontal.

The Ultimate dogfighting version of the Corsair, the F2G-1 with bubble canopy was arguably the best prop- fighter ever made, but only a handful were built and of those few several won national air racing titles decades afterwards.

Ultimately for all you Mustang, Hellcat, FW and other fans remember that when all the other WW2 prop fighters were rusting in boneyards or being destroyed for parts the Corsair was still flying. in Korea Corsairs even managed to shoot down jets. Several countries still used Corsairs up until the '70s. The Soccer War being a good example of that.

So there you have it, sling your barbs!
Do any of you guys fly IL-2? A great comprehensive computer flight sim that literally has hundreds of WW2 fighters. Great game for serious WW2 fighter junkies and very accurate flight models.
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Ultimately for all you Mustang, Hellcat, FW and other fans remember that when all the other WW2 prop fighters were rusting in boneyards or being destroyed for parts the Corsair was still flying. in Korea Corsairs even managed to shoot down jets. Several countries still used Corsairs up until the '70s. The Soccer War being a good example of that.


Except for the P-51, of course, which as mentioned above was retired from the Dominican Republic's airforce in 1984, also saw service in Korea. Is also popular and has had much success in air racing. There are many more P-51's still flying today. And that's a jet, singular, a MiG 15, and that MiG's wingman shot down the offending corsair shortly there after.

Still a cool plane though...
 
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I agree, with you. I love the gull wings, and its probably one of my favorite WW2 US Naval Fighters next to the Hellcat.
 
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If for no other reason...

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Gregory "Pappy" Boyington got his start with the Flying Tigers under General Chennault, getting 6 of his 28 kills there (flying P-40s). When the Tigers (technically an Army unit) were disbanded, Boyington was allowed to return to his original service deployment with the Marine Corps. The real Black Sheep Squadron was not nearly as bad as it was depicted on the TV show (although Boyington was disciplined a lot during the war, mainly for insubordination). Boyington was shot down by the Japanese after getting his 27th and 28th kills and spent months in a POW camp, treated badly by the Japanese once they found out who he was (Boyington was famous for taunting the Japanese into combat, believing they were attacking bombers instead of fighters). Boyington survived, however, and was the technical director on the TV show. He was the highest scoring Marine Corp ace of World War II.

After being initially rejected for carrier duty (due to the shape of the wings), the Corsair went on to become one of the highest scoring fighters of World War II, and indeed continued to be manufactured until 1952, long after other World War II fighters were scrapped.
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7. Board Game: Corsairs and Hellcats [Average Rating:7.43 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.43 Unranked]
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Aircraft: Grumman F6F Hellcat



Manufacturer: Grumman

Country of Origin: United States

Powerplant: 1 Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10W "Double Wasp" two-row radial engine with a two-speed two-stage supercharger, 2,000 hp (1,500 kW)

Armament:

Guns:
6 x 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns, 400 rounds/gun, or
2 x 20 mm cannon, 225 rounds/gun
4 x 0.50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns 400 rounds/gun
Rockets:
6 x 5 in (127 mm) HVARs or
2 x 11 3/4 in (298 mm) Tiny Tim unguided rockets
Bombs: 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) of ordnance, including:
Torpedoes:
+ 1 x 2,000 lb (910 kg) bomb or
+ 1 x Mk.13-3 torpedo under the centerline
Underwing bombs:
+ 1 x 1,000 lb (450 kg) or
+ 2 x 250 lb (110 kg)
+ 6 x 100 lb (45 kg)


Maximum Speed: 330 knots (380 mph, 610 km/h)

Following the development line of it's little brother, the Wildcat, the F6F Hellcat shared the Carrier Borne Fighter roll with the Corsair. Nimble and fast, but able to take a real beating and stay in the air, it served as an excellent attack aircraft and air combat fighter, and was one of the first American fighters that could take on the dreaded Zero on equal terms.
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Although my father flew PB2Y Coronado flyboats out of Tinian during the war, he had numerous chances to fly the Hellcats from a friendly fighter squadron during the days between the actual end of the war and time he shipped back to the states. He claims the Hellcat to be, not only fast and manueverable, but also an easy AND very forgiving aircraft to fly. He said, "Especially forgiving with a heavy handed sea plane pilot at the controls."

The fighter squadron CO stopped loaning out his F6Fs when a heavy handed sea plane pilot, not my Dad, taxied one of them into another parked Hellcat.


Here's a vote on behalf of my Dad.
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Following the development line of it's little brother, the Wildcat, the F6F Hellcat shared the Carrier Borne Fighter roll with the Corsair. Nimble and fast, but able to take a real beating and stay in the air, it served as an excellent attack aircraft and air combat fighter, and was one of the first American fighters that could take on the dreaded Zero on equal terms.


Initially, the Hellcat was going to be just a simple upgrade to the F4F Wildcat. However, the engineers at Grumman managed to acquire a recently captured Japanese Zero, and redesigned the Hellcat to beat it. Imagine the surprise when the first Japanese pilots to encounter the Hellcat discovered that not only could the F6F outclimb them (something the Wildcat could not do), it could turn inside them as well. The Hellcat also carried six .50 caliber machine guns where the Wildcat only had four. The Hellcat had the same radial engine that powered the P-47 Thunderbolt.

The top Navy aces all flew Hellcats. No surprise there.
 
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8. Board Game: Rise of the Luftwaffe [Average Rating:7.13 Overall Rank:860]
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Aircraft: Focke-Wulf FW-190A-8 Wurger



Manufacturer: Focke-Wulf

Country of Origin: Germany

Powerplant: 1 BMW 801D-2 radial engine, 1,272 kW (1,730 hp); 1,471 kW (2,000 hp) with boost

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2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns with 475 rounds/gun
4 x 20 mm MG151/20E cannons with 250 rounds/gun in the wing root and 140 rounds/gun outboard.

Maximum Speed: 656 km/h at 4,800 m, 685 km/h with boost, up to 750 km/h in a dive (408 mph at 15,750 ft, 428 mph with boost, 466 mph in a dive)

The FW-190A was the only Radial Engine fighter used by Germany during WWII in any significant numbers. The German Luftwaffe preferred inline-engined aircraft, but the Radial-engined Focke-Wulf 190 held its own. The FW190 terrorized Bombers and Fighters alike, with it's high speed and deadly armament.
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The Butcher Bird is another German design with a million and one variants and weapons layouts. It was also a superb fighter-bomber. Later marks of 190 (the D9 or Dora) did have an inline engine, and was an even better fighter, by which time the A models were being utilised more for close support.
 
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Simulation of the FW 190 A-8 equipped with a MK 108 cannon (4 hits to down a B-17, 1 hit for a fighter) in online play:

 
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9. Board Game: Oscar: The Film Star's Rise to Fame [Average Rating:4.50 Unranked]
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Aircraft: Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa "Oscar"



Manufacturer: Nakajima

Country of Origin: Japan

Powerplant: 1 Nakajima Ha-115 radial engine, 1,130 hp (890 kW)

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Guns: 2x 12.7-mm synchronized Ho-103 machine guns in the cowl with 250 rounds/gun (400 rpm rate each) or 1x 12.7 mm and 1x 7.7 mm Type 89 machine gun.
Bombs: 2x 250 kg (550 lb) bombs

Maximum Speed: 530 km/h (315 mph) at 4,000 m (13,125 ft)

Fast and agile, the Ki-43 "Peregrine Falcon" was the mainstay fighter of the Japanese Air Force. Light and fast like it's Naval cousin the Zero, the "Oscar" as it was called by the Allies was produced in in the second-highest numbers for a japanese Fighter Aircraft. It's main shortcomings were a lack of armor or self sealing tanks, meaning it had only marginal resistance to enemy fire.
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No votes or thumbs ups for the poor old Oscar surprise

This one did a lot of damage to the Allied forces in the DEI, Malaya and Burma theatres early on. Often mistaken for a Zero which thereby got all the credit.

But it had too poor armament, too low a speed and too little protection to stay in contention once the more modern allied aircraft showed up. With just a couple of MGs it had trouble shooting down bombers and more modern fighters even if it did have excellent manouverability (which became less and less important as fighter combat became dominated by speed and diving/climbing slashing attacks).

So quickly made obsolete during '42 but kept in service and production for most of the war. Not much real upgrade potential either. So it got worse and worse with no real ground attack role to keep it useful. Although later versions had some armour and bombs.

No vote from me but it wasn't all that bad and did have its brief day in the sun at the start of the war.
 
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10. Board Game: Luftwaffe [Average Rating:5.44 Overall Rank:6812]
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Aircraft: Messerschmitt BF-109/ME-109 G-6



Manufacturer: Bayerische Flugzeugwerke Messerschmitt

Country of Origin: Germany

Powerplant: 1 Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1 liquid-cooled inverted V12, 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)

Armament:
2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns
1 x 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon (or 1x 30 mm MK 108, G-6/U4)
1 x 300 l (78 US gal) drop tank or 1 x 250 kg (550 lb) bomb or 4 x 50 kg (110 lb) bombs
2 x WGr.21 rockets (G-6 with BR21)
2 x 20 mm MG 151/20 underwing cannon pods (G-6 with R6)

Maximum Speed: 640 km/h (398 mph) at 6,300 m (20,669 ft)

The Me-109 was the mainstay of the Luftwaffe for the entire war. With 30,000 produced, it's the most numerous fighter aircraft in history. 109's were used for air-to-air combat, bomber interception, and ground attack, all with good effect. The 109 was also one of the first modern era fighters, having a monoplane layout, monocoque construction, enclosed canopy, and retractable landing gear.
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For me, the ME-109 and FW-190 were essentially interchangeable. Both nice aircraft, but without the lines and elegance of the Spit/Hurricane/Mustang.

Now, the Stuka have some personality. Although not a fighter (it really was a tank buster), I'd give the Stuka a thumbs up if it were on this list.
 
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"A mess of Messerschmitts!"
 
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In the late 30ties, the Me109 was truly state of the art, but even as early as the outbreak of the war, she still was good, but no longer amongst the best. The late versions did what they could do, but as the bomber fleets apeared above Germany, she no longer could match up with the then superior american fighters like the above mentioned P51. As far as I know, they just could climb higher, fly longer and faster.

They produced them anyway, as it was easier to continue producing this "workhorse" then to switch production to newier and deadlier designs.

Trivia: The job of the grandfather of my exgirlfriend was to fly these things from productions plants to airfields.
 
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The rare ME 109T Carrier Fighter made for the CV Graf Zeppelin:



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The rare ME 109T Carrier Fighter made for the CV Graf Zeppelin:



Awesome picture, never seen that before... thumbsup
 
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11. Board Game: Zero! [Average Rating:6.95 Overall Rank:905]
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Aircraft: Mitsubishi A6M Zero "Zeke"



Manufacturer: Mitsubishi

Powerplant: 1 Nakajima Sakae 12 radial engine, 709 kW (950 hp)

Armament:

Guns:
2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Type 97 machine guns in the engine cowling
2 x 20 mm (0.787 in) Type 99 cannons in the wings
Bombs:
2 x 66 lb (30 kg) and
1 x 132 lb (60 kg) bombs or
2 x fixed 250 kg (550 lb) bombs for kamikaze attacks

Maximum Speed: 533 km/h (287 knots, 331 mph) at 4,550 m (14,930 ft)

The most famous and numerous Japanese fighter of the war, the Zero (or Zeke) was the mainstay of the Japanese Navy. Enjoying early success in China and against american F4F Wildcat fighters, the highly maneuverable and blazing fast Zero met it's match in the American F4U Corsair and F6F Hellcat. The Zero's only drawback was it's poor self sealing fuel tanks and light armor.
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Enjoying early success in China and against american F4F Wildcat fighters, the highly maneuverable and blazing fast Zero met it's match in the American F4U Corsair and F6F Hellcat.


That's one of the statements that always bugs me. The Zero did not enjoy great success against the F4F Wildcat. It's a common misconception that since the Zero did run roughshod over Wildcat contemporaries like the P-40, P-39, F2A Buffalo and Hurrican, just to name a few, that it owned the WIldcat as well. However the Wildcat, while not gifted with the same amazing attributes as the Zero, more then held it's own. It was mostly Wildcats that kept the Marines safe on the 'Canal and Navy Wildcats had a better Kill/Death ratio to the Zero in air to air combat. Keep in mind this was at the beginning of the pacific war when the Japanese had the best pilots they would ever field.

The tide was already turning against the Japanese well before 2nd generation fighters like the Corsair and P-38 showed up and nailed the coffin shut on Japanese expansion.

After the Corsair the Wildcat has got to be my favorite fighter. Gotta love those pluky underdogs! Of course, this isn't to knock the Zero as one of the best, and a beautiful fighter to boot!
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I Love the zerro (in online sims, etc) but I have never heard it described as "blazingly fast" except in relation to the ealiert of early war planes like the Brewster Buffalo. The A6M5 version did pick it up a bit, but that was later and still not up to 1943+ snuff.
 
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I Love the zerro (in online sims, etc) but I have never heard it described as "blazingly fast" except in relation to the ealiert of early war planes like the Brewster Buffalo. The A6M5 version did pick it up a bit, but that was later and still not up to 1943+ snuff.


Indeed, when i refer to the Zero as blazing fast here, I mean in relation to it's early-war contemporaries.

And as for the Wildcat, I had the impression many years ago that the Zero simply pwn3d the Wildcat...Now I know the Wildcat wasn't quite as good as the Zero, but they are on equal footing. I stand rightly accused of not giving the ol' Wildcat it's due.
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TheCollector wrote:
I Love the zerro (in online sims, etc) but I have never heard it described as "blazingly fast" except in relation to the ealiert of early war planes like the Brewster Buffalo. The A6M5 version did pick it up a bit, but that was later and still not up to 1943+ snuff.


Indeed, when i refer to the Zero as blazing fast here, I mean in relation to it's early-war contemporaries.

And as for the Wildcat, I had the impression many years ago that the Zero simply pwn3d the Wildcat...Now I know the Wildcat wasn't quite as good as the Zero, but they are on equal footing. I stand rightly accused of not giving the ol' Wildcat it's due.


I do love both the A6m and the F4F, in fact I have a 1/48 scale model of each sitting on top of my television set right now. As far as speeds go several p-40 models exceeded the top speed of the zero in several different altitude bands, but overall they were fairly close... It was the Zero's manuverability that won it's fame.
 
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12. Board Game: Yak [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Aircraft: Yakovlev Yak-9



Manufacturer: Yakovlev OKB

Powerplant: 1 Klimov M-105 PF V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 1,180 hp (880 kW)

Armament: 1 x 20 mm ShVAK cannon, 120 rounds of ammunition
1 x 12.7 mm UBS machine gun, 200 rounds of ammunition


Maximum Speed: 367 mph at altitude (591 km/h)

The Yak-9 was a fast, maneuverable air-to-air fighter. The finest and most numerous fighter in the soviet inventory, it remained in production until 1948 and was distributed among many Soviet sattelite states and allies.
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I think most would prefer the Yak-3, which came along later (the Soviet numbering system was a little screwy). In fact, German pilots were told not to engage any Yak without an oil cooler (the Yak-3) below a certain altitude as it would hand them their buttskis.
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And don't forget the Yak-9K with a 45mm NS-45 cannon in the nose-That's a spicy meatball!
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Maybe my information is incorrect but "fast" would not be an appropriate descriptor of this aircraft. As I recall from my reading it was slow compared to the axis fighter aircraft but it could take a licken and keep on ticken. They axis hated it because it would still fly after you punched it full of holes and then some.
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13. Board Game: Tomahawk [Average Rating:6.12 Overall Rank:4332]
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Aircraft: Curtiss P-40



Manufacturer: Curtiss-Wright Corporation

Country of Origin: United States

Powerplant: 1 Allison V-1710-39 liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,150 hp (860 kW)

Armament:

Guns: 2 .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns and 2 .30 in (7.62mm) Browning machine guns, 2 .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns and 4 .30 in (7.62mm) Browning machine guns, 4 .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns, or 6 .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns
Bombs: 1,500 lb (680 kg) on three hardpoints

Maximum Speed: 360 mph (310 knots, 580 km/h)

This, and not the Hurricane, would probably qualify as most underrated Allied fighter of WWII. It was a solid workhorse that served in campaigns from Europe, North Africa and the Pacific, with diverse air forces - the KMT (Flying Tigers), South Africa, New Zealand, the UK, the US, Australia, Canada, Soviet Union and France. Not the most manoeuverable or fastest or prettiest fighter in WWII, (and thus not the sort of fighter that captures one's imagination), but it provided dependable service both in air superiority and ground attack missions.
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Well done! You even stuck to my formatting I was going to add the P-40 eventually, but for some reason I didn't think to include the AVG's prized aircraft and our premier land-based fighter at the outset of the war in the pacific. Go figure.

Get 'em, flying tigers!
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14. Board Game: Eighth Air Force [Average Rating:7.30 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.30 Unranked]
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Aircraft: Me 262 Schwalbe

In my opinion she IS the most beautiful Air Superiority Fighter Plane of the WWII.
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Es ist, wie wenn ein Engel schiebt.

Roughly translates to like "She flies as if an angel pushes her."
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If the Third Reich had access to Titanium, we'd all be speaking German... Well, maybe an exaggeration, but the engines of the 262 had a lifetime of only TEN HOURS thanks to a lack of that metal. Instead, the combustion chambers of the engines were lined with sprayed Aluminium. Study the paper-napkin designs of the Luftwaffe 1946 crowd - in there you'll find not only swept wings, but swing wings, area rule fuselage construction and many other aerodynamic principles only put into production long after the war. The start of the Cold War was once summed up as "Our captured German scientists are better than your captured German scientists!"

Strangely, given the pillbox crudity of late war German tanks, their aero designs (the realistic ones) were immensely sophisticated and advanced
http://www.luft46.com/aoart/aop75.html
http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr132.html

and the other ones were Flash Gordon like in appearance!
http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr283.html
http://www.luft46.com/mmart/lerchemm.html

And then there's the Treibflugel...
http://www.aero.upm.es/es/alumnos/historia_aviacion/imagenes...
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One of 3 Luftwaffe aircraft that outmatched the P51D. The other 2 being the FW-190D9, and the Ta152.


The TA-152 might have been faster than the P-51D, but no way a better fighter. The TA-152 was designed purely as a high-altitude bomber interceptor, and sacrificed manueverability/turning radius to attain that high-speed, high altitude, straight line capability. The only advantage the TA-152 would have in a fight with P-51's was that it could run away if things were going badly.
 
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According to the Smithsonian:

Premature though it was, the Ta 152 had tremendous potential. Unlike the BV 155, a highly experimental, flying test-bed, Tank's design simply joined a powerful engine, already proven in the Fw 190D, to an existing airframe tweaked to perform at higher altitudes. The result was an airplane faster and more maneuverable than the P-51 Mustang and the P-47 Thunderbolt.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/focke_ta152.ht...

Yes, when Kurt Tank did get jumped by a flight of P-51s, he did in fact hit the booster and simply outrun them. However, he was conducting a test flight at the time - I'm not convinced he was in the mood to test out poor-odds combat with one of the few test models of the aircraft.
 
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Wulf Corbett wrote:
If the Third Reich had access to Titanium, we'd all be speaking German... (...)

No, but here in germany, there were some maybe today still uninhabitable areas due "the bomb"...
Fortunately for us today, things developed the way they did.
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According to the Smithsonian:

Premature though it was, the Ta 152 had tremendous potential. Unlike the BV 155, a highly experimental, flying test-bed, Tank's design simply joined a powerful engine, already proven in the Fw 190D, to an existing airframe tweaked to perform at higher altitudes. The result was an airplane faster and more maneuverable than the P-51 Mustang and the P-47 Thunderbolt.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/focke_ta152.ht...

Yes, when Kurt Tank did get jumped by a flight of P-51s, he did in fact hit the booster and simply outrun them. However, he was conducting a test flight at the time - I'm not convinced he was in the mood to test out poor-odds combat with one of the few test models of the aircraft.


Fortunately for the Allies, the Ta-152 and the Me-262 were simply too few and too late to make much of a difference. Had there been larger numbers of them, you'd have to think the Allies would've come up with a better Mustang (or put the P-80 into production earlier, although the P-80 still was no match for a Me-262).
 
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15. Board Game: Crusade and Revolution: The Spanish Civil War, 1936-1939 [Average Rating:8.74 Overall Rank:3149]
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Strange choice? I like strange aircraft... This one served in the Spanish Civil War, and gained a fearsome reputation against the earliest marks of Bf 109, and gained the nickname of The Rat from the Nationalists. Outclassed by the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War, it nonetheless served well against the German advances until replaced by more modern types. I couldn't find an I16 anywhere in a game, but it's predecessor the I15 is on the centre card in this pic.

It's claim to an entry here is in it's design. This was the first all-metal, retractable undercarriage cantilever wing monoplane to be built. It was, essentially, the first 'modern' fighter built. While it can't be claimed it had an enormous influence on other designs (it was pretty well unknown until it appeared in Spain), it was ahead of it's time.

Designer: Polikarpov OKB (manufactured by whomever was told to do it!)

Country of Origin: Soviet Union

Powerplant: 700 hp Shvestov M25 (most common variant - later versions had the Shvestov M63 at 900 hp)

Armament: Early GPW versions 4x 7.62 mm ShKAS MG, later upgraded to 2 ShKAS and 2 20mm ShVAK cannon

Maximum Speed: 460 km/h (290 mph) in most common types, 494 km/h (307 mph) in final versions

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The cover of the Spanish wargame La Guerra Civil Española, publ. 1981 depicts some I-16 Ratas (called Mosca, "Fly" by the Republicans):

 
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They also appear in Storm Over Taierzhuang.

 
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This airplane was also used in the Zveno "parasite aircraft" project, which in its most successful installement allowed two I-16 armed with 2x250kg bombs each to launch from and dock at a flying TB-3. Further tests included in-flight rearmament or refuelling.

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There's a huge number of I16 squadrons in GDW's Fire in the East.

And some I15s, to boot.
 
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The I-15 and I-16 also are in the expansion kit for Mustangs.
 
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16. Board Game: Greyhounds [Average Rating:6.42 Overall Rank:3087]
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The elegant Macchi C205V Veltro (Greyhound)was considered to be one of the few Axis fighters capable of matching the P51.
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Power plant: Daimler-Benz DB605A-1 (rated 1475 h.p. at take-off)
Armament: 2 X Breda-SAFAT 12.7mm MG & 2 x 20mm Mauser MG151
2 x 110; 220 or 350lb bombs.
Maximum speed: 399 mph at 23,620 ft.
Maximum cruising speed: 310 mph
Maximum range: 646 miles
Climb rate: 2 minutes 40 sec. to 16,400 ft.
Service ceiling: 36,090 ft.
(source: War Planes Of The Second World War-Fighters Vol. 2 Macdonald 1961)
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Nifty plane. Fill us in on the details! I know next to nothing about Italian air power, So i didn't know what to add from that country.
 
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Meant to be especially good at low to medium altitudes.

Came in just as the Italians were leaving the war though. Like a lot of the better Italian equipment (Tanks, Assault Guns etc.) when they were really trying to fight (40-41) they had pretty awful equipment. But by '43 they were producing some pretty good stuff. Just when they were looking to get out of the conflict. So the impact of this and a lot of the other decent weapons they produced was very marginal.
 
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It was a good, competitive plane.

One German squadron actually used it for a time when their 109's were rendered hors de combat for some reason.
 
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17. Board Game: France, 1940 [Average Rating:5.65 Overall Rank:5415]
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Dewoitine D.520C.1



Country of Origin: France

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 8.6 m (28 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
Height: 2.57 m (8 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 15.97 m² (172 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,036 kg (4,489 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,676 kg (5,900 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,780 kg (6,129 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 liquid-cooled V12 engine, 690 kW (930 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 535 km/h (289 knots, 332 mph)
Range: 1,250 km (675 nm, 777 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 14.3 m/s (2,820 ft/min)
Wing loading: 167 kg/m² (34.2 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 257 W/kg (0.156 hp/lb)
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Guns:

1× 20 mm (0.787 in) cannon
4× 7.5 mm (0.295 in) machine guns

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The French were developing some excellent fighters, all destroyed before the Germans could reach them. The Arsenal VG 33 was one notable one.

A pity their bombers were so astoundingly ugly yuk
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Not ALL of them where ugly mon ami..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeO_451
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18. Board Game: Poland, 1939: The First Battle [Average Rating:6.25 Unranked]
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PZL P11C



Country of Origin: Poland

Specifications-

Power plant: one 700 kW Gnôme-Rhône 14N-07 engine

Crew: 1

Wing span: 10.68 m

Length: 7.81 m

Height: 2.69 m

Weight: empty 1329 kg, max loaded 1915 kg

Max speed: 430 km/h at 4250 m

Service ceiling: 10500 m

Range: 700 km

Armament: four 7.9 mm Colt browning MG40 machine guns and four 12.5 kg bombs



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*looks at the wings...* You parked your Corsair upside down, there, son.
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*looks at the wings...* You parked your Corsair upside down, there, son.


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First Allied Ace of World War Two: Stanisław Skalski with 6 kills while flying his PZL P11C gullwing fighter in September 1939.





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19. Board Game: Cruisers in Flames [Average Rating:6.87 Unranked] [Average Rating:6.87 Unranked]
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Fokker G1 'Jachtkruiser'



Manufacturer: Fokker

Country of Origin: the Netherlands

Powerplant: 2 Bristol Mercury VIIIs, 830 HP each.

Armament: frontal: 8x M36 7,9 mm(FN-Browning M32) and facing rear: 1x 7,9 mm M36 7,9 mm(FN-Browning M32).

Although it was mostly compared to the German ME110 and as such not eligible for this list, I think the Fokker G1 deserves to be mentioned here. It was designed as a military allrounder, which meant, embedded in dutch military doctrine of the time, a reconnaisanceplane, fighter and sometimes close-airsupporter. Fokker was aiming to foremost serve foreign markets, such as the French and the Spanish. The nationalist latter did in fact order a few dozen, but Fall Gelb cut this deal short. The Dutch, who didn't think much of the aircraft in it's early development, ordered 36 G1s in 1938.

The title the dutch Luchtvaart Afdeling (Aeronautics Department, preliminary of the air force) gave it wasJachtkruiser, roughly translatable as Hunter-cruiser or Hunting-cruiser. This hints at the role it was suppose to fulfill , predominatly that of patrol-fighter. And as such, the plane is eligible for this list

During the short german onslaught in 1940, remembered by the Dutch as the Meidagen, Maydays, the G1s proved to be the only dutch aircraft that could fight back against the Luftwaffe. They scored a few hits against ME109s and wrecked lots of JU52s. After the fall of the Netherlands, the Germans used the G1 as a trainer and reconnaissance aircraft.

There are no remaining copies of the G1.

Edit: The image is from the website of Rob Euverman, http://www.aviationart.nl/
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Very interesting. I was under the impression that the few airplanes we had were destroyed on the ground. And I never new about the existence of this plane.

Thanks for adding it.
 
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That is one of the coolest looking planes, ever. And i've never even heard of it.
 
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Yeah, I think it's a pretty cool plane as well. If you take into account the fact that it is made of aluminium, wood AND fabric (roughly nose-to-tail), it seems like a technical masterpiece as well!
 
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The Dutch shot down a LOT more German aircraft than they lost themselves. Although, admittedly most of the German losses were transport planes trying to land at airfields that the Falschirmjaegers were behind schedule capturing.
 
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That the Dutch wracked more german planes than vice versa is probably true, but only due to the fact that the Dutch didn't have a lot of planes in the first place. The planes that were operational a the time of the invasion were largely destroyed on the ground on the airfields of Bergen, Soesterberg and Waalhaven.

The aircraft that escaped the initial bombardment, about 10 G1s or so and a few obsolete Fokkers XXIs, scored, as said, some hits on german fighters and a a lot more hits on the german transports. I am under the inpression although that the most damage was done by Dutch AAA.

Still, the Jachtkruiser would be my pick for coolest plane of the war.
 
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Some historians say that the Germans may have lost the Battle of Britain over the airfields of Holland, or any real chance of invading Britain anyway. Around 400 Junkers were destroyed, putting a big dent in any aerial landing plans they may have had for the UK.

Anyway, G-1 video on YouTube:


The G-1 rebuild project (Dutch Only):
http://www.fokkerg-1.nl/

And a hobbyist with similar ambitions (Dutch/English):
http://www.fokker-g1.nl/
 
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20. Board Game: Showdown [Average Rating:6.90 Unranked] [Average Rating:6.90 Overall Rank:2416]
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The Tempest V was in the hands of operational squadrons by April 1944.

Tempests scored a number of kills against the new German jets, including the Messerschmitt Me 262. Hubert Lange, an Me 262 pilot said: "the Messerschmitt Me 262's most dangerous opponent was the British Hawker Tempest — extremely fast at low altitudes, highly-manoeuvrable and heavily-armed." Some were destroyed with a tactic known as the "Rat Code". Tempests on immediate alert took off when an Me 262 was reported to be airborne. They did not intercept the jet, but instead flew to the Me 262 base, Rheine-Hopsten.[1] The aim was to attack jets on their landing approach, when they were at their most vulnerable: travelling slowly, with flaps down and incapable of rapid acceleration. The Germans responded by creating a "flak lane" of over 150 quadruple 20 mm guns at Rheine-Hopsten, to protect the approaches.



There is a great book by French RAF Ace Pierre Clostermann: the great show!
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Very nice plane. With more range, heavy armament and good ground attack potential the Tempest was probably better than the late war Spitfires in most circumstances.

Not quite got the style though
 
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21. Board Game: Gladiator [Average Rating:6.40 Overall Rank:1982]
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Gloster Gladiator (or Gloster SS.37)



South African ace Marmaduke "Pat" Pattle claimed 15 kills in Gladiators, against Italian fighters over North Africa and Greece, making him the highest scoring RAF biplane ace of World War II.

Manufacturer: Gloster Aircraft Company, Limited

Country of Origin: Great Britain

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 27 ft 5 in (8.4 m)
Wingspan: 32 ft 3 in (9.8 m)
Height: 11 ft 7 in (3.2 m)
Wing area: 323 ft² (30 m²)
Empty weight: 3,444 lb (1,560 kg)
Loaded weight: 4,864 lb (2,205 kg)
Max takeoff weight: lb (kg)
Powerplant: 1× Bristol Mercury IX radial engine, 850 hp (630 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 257 mph (414 km/h) at 14,600 ft (4,500 m)
Range: 444 mi (710 km)
Service ceiling: 33,500 ft (10,200 m)
Rate of climb: 2220 ft/min (11.2 m/s)
Wing loading: lb/ft² (kg/m²)
Power/mass: hp/lb (W/kg)
Armament
Guns: Two Synchronised .303in. Browning machine-guns on sides of front fuselage, and one beneath each lower wing.

In at least some Sea Gladiators, provision existed for a pair of Brownings to be fitted under the upper wings as well, bringing the total to six. Official service release trials were not completed before the Sea Gladiators were replaced by later types - but some upper wing Brownings may have been fitted in the field, in particular in Malta.


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22. Board Game: Falcon's Maze [Average Rating:7.20 Unranked]
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FIAT CR.42 "Falco" ("Falcon")



Ace Luigi Baron ended the war with 12 kills flying a CR.42 in the East African campaign of 1940-41.

Manufacturer: Fiat

Country of Origin: Italy

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 8.25 m (27 ft 1 in)
Wingspan:
Top wing: 9.70 m (31 ft 10 in)
Bottom wing: 6.50 m (21 ft 4 in)
Height: 3.06 m (10 ft)
Wing area: 22.4 m² (241.0 ft²)
Empty weight: 1,782 kg (3,929 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,295 kg (5,060 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Fiat A.74 RIC38 radial air cooled, fourteen cylinders radial engine, 627 kW (840 hp at 2,400 r.p.m./12,500 ft)
Performance
Maximum speed: 441 km/h (238 kt, 274 mph) at 20,000 ft
Cruise speed: 399 km/h (215 kt, 248 mph)
Range: 780 km (420 nm, 485 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,210 m (33,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 11.8 m/s (2,340 ft/min)
Wing loading: 102 kg/m² (21 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 270 W/kg (0.17 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns: First series : Breda SAFAT 7.7 mm (0.303 in)
Later 2 × 12.7 mm (0.500 in) Breda SAFAT machine guns, 400 rounds/gun each.
Two additional 12.7 mm machine-guns in underwing fairing on some.
Bombs: 200 kg (440 lb) on two wing hard points

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23. Board Game: Finland at War, v. I: Jatkosota [Average Rating:6.50 Unranked] [Average Rating:6.50 Unranked]
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Brewster F2A Buffalo(B-239)
Brewsters were orginally designed as carrier based aircraft in the USA but large numbers were sold to Finland. They saw action agains Russians during the continuation war with great success: the LeLv 24 fighter wing scored 460 recorded aerial victories with these planes.
Manufacturer: Brewster
Country of orgin: USA
Power Plant:R-1820-G5, 950 hp
max speed: 480 km/h
armament: 1 x 30-06 (7,62 mm) and 3 x .50 BMG (12,7 mm)
 
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Fine job...but no Black Widow (first night-fighter) and no Komet (first jet fighter)?
 
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  • Posted Tue Oct 9, 2007 6:24 pm
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Adam D.
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If anyone knows of a computer game that models the Boston-Boulton Defiant, I would love to know! The only time I've seen them protrayed is that squadron that gets pulled right after the start of the Battle of Britain in a few BOB boardgames.
 
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  • Posted Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:56 pm
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Adrienne
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Great list.
 
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  • Posted Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:48 pm
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Paul D.
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A fun time. Great list.
 
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  • Posted Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:52 pm
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Just call me Erik
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PAYDIRT wrote:
A fun time. Great list.


Indeed! thanks for your contributions, and see you on the next one.
 
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  • Posted Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:20 am
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