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Grand Old Games (Part 1): Rare and Well Done
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I am fairly new to BGG but I have been a gamer most of my life and a collector for quite a while. My collection is focused on Wargames and Strategy games from the 1880s to 1950 and I now have over 80 games from that period.

I have slowly been adding them to the BGG database and figured I'd pause every so often and share the new additions via a Geeklist. It's an interesting piece of gaming history.

While the games are all fairly rare they also represent a broad range of quality of presentation and depth of play. The first set I wanted to get out to folks is probably my most rare, and most interesting.

The presentation (map and/or playing pieces) really sets this group apart from the rest of my collection.

I hope you enjoy them....

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1. Board Game: Waterloo [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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The first two games are appetizers. Waterloo (1895) and the following game (Kriegspiel Junior) are the only two games on the list that aren't complete (no rules or pieces) but the map presentations are amazing.

Waterloo's map is lacquered onto a wooden board 14"x21" that acts as the top of the game box. The game is over 100 years old and the board still has a vibrant color and is very playable...

I have a line on the rules and hope to have details on game play in the near future.
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Did it strike anyone else odd that there is no named Waterloo spot on the board, yet Quatre Bras is named?
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I was just lucky, I didn't know what I had when I found the board for Kriegspiel Junior and it clued me in to the presence of other old games.

I found it on eBay listed as a board for an old game... When I received it in the mail I realized how old it was and noticed the notation on the bottom of the map. Doing some research I found that there were quite a few war/strategy games by PB and MB during the late 1800s and early 1900s but I didn't know what they looked like, no pictures anywhere.

When I saw the Waterloo map at auction I almost had a cow! I really didn't know that PB had done other similar games. This board was in better shape but obviously earlier since it didn't have any notations except for a "Pat. Pending" note at the bottom. When I got it in the mail I was amazed to find a full box with the map as the top of the box. It even has a slot for game pieces. Great stuff.
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The game you described as having a board/map acting as the top of the box, actually has a conventional top! It is quite handsome and includes images of officers dancing in Brussels, the French army leaving Paris, and a framed picture of the battlefield as seen from a strategic hilltop. Parker Brothers published a number of these over-sized games with terrific artwork on the box and the board. This was during the period when they were in direct competition with McLaughlin Brothers. It was the first of the Golden Ages of Games.
 
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Yep, I found a copy of the rules on line with the picture you describe (unfortunately mine is in B&W).


 
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I did mention it on the game's forum, but there is a copy of Waterloo on display at Brodie Castle in Scotland. It seemed pretty complete when I was there, if someone drops by I'm certain they'd be fine in letting someone copy the rules.
 
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2. Board Game: Kriegspiel Junior [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Kriegspiel Junior (1915) is larger than Waterloo (16"x22") and again the version I have is just the map lacquered on a board (no box, rules or pieces).

The map is more detailed than Waterloo with more points, the addition of fortresses, a river and with the same clarity and detail that shows so well on the Waterloo map.

I would love to know how this game plays....

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Remarkably beautiful. Thanks.
 
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And Parker Brothers no less!
 
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So one could infer they use the same ruleset and format. Imagine the pieces are similar too.
 
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3. Board Game: War Tactics or Can Britain Be Invaded? [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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The last of the very early games, War Tactics - Can Britain be Invaded (~1917) is special because of of what it brings to the player at such an early stage in strategy/war gaming.

The detailed map, multiple unit types with different abilities and special rules make for an extremely advanced game for its day.

The rules allow for amphibious invasions and bombing raids in a Grand Strategy game created in or around 1915. An amazing accomplishment.

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4. Board Game: Sturmpioniere [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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The rest of the games are from the WWII era and I thought I'd bookend this group with my favorites.

Strumpionere (late 1930s) is one of the tops of my list because of the components. The game supplies 4 identical triangular maps that form a square game board when put together. The goal is a wooden bunker that sits on the spot where all four maps come together.

The pieces are painted flats of German Pioneers with different implements and the detail of each is excellent. The game play is simple but with the pieces and the map its really special.

I have only seen one copy of this in all my years of collecting. A spectacular box and game set.
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Wow, that is an absolutely amazing find. I wonder if there is anyone in Germany who could provide information on the development of German popular-market wargames from this era.
 
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Such information would be from an academic point of view most certainly, as most germans try not to get associated with being interested in this particular period of our history... And those who are have probably other motives then just playing games, if I might add.

Anyway, maybe there is somewhere a paper on this on some obscure university's home page! :-)
However I would guess that most of the games (if there have been any) have been destroyed either in war or post war due to "Entnazifizierungs" activities.
 
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I remember an article in the Spielbox magazine about war games from the early 20th century. But I think i threw that away the last time we moved apartments. Maybe I can check and tell you more later.

Edit: Yeah, I remembered correctly. In Spielbox 1 and Spielbox 2 from 2005 there was an article about WWI / WWII games. You can still order them, but - of course - it is in German.
 
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5. Board Game: Empires [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Empires (1940) is a true Grand Strategy game. Conquer the world one colony at a time. Even though its a point to point movement game, it's a definite forerunner of Risk in terms of game play mechanics. Key elements include:

* Collecting territories on the map to build an Empire
* Collect resources from the territories which are turned in 3:1 for armaments (a bonus is gained for having all territories in a region)
* Defeat the other players in wars using the armaments to claim territories from them

Not sure if the creators of Risk every saw this game but it sure has some similarities.

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How very, very strange, that in this 1940 game, all of the major powers are involved.....except Germany! Could someone please explain THAt to me?!
 
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6. Board Game: Battle at Sea: The New Game of National Defense [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Battle at Sea (1940) has it all, a roll up vinyl map, metal miniatures, destroyers that can lay smoke screens, cool dice and a log book of ships.

Players move along a path on the map attacking enemy ships when in gunnery range using the special embossed dice to roll hits. The victor is the one that sunk the most tonnage.

I have only ever seen this game one time and while the map is getting a bit rough around the edges (its was rolled up for 60 years) its still one of the most compelling pieces in my collection.
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What a beaut. Love the look of this thing.
 
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If I ever spot this box in an antique mall, I'm afraid I might have a heart attack. Boy is that cool.
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That is an absolutely amazing game
 
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7. Board Game: GHQ [Average Rating:5.00 Unranked]
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GHQ (1940) is simple but like all interesting games its full of choices. The pieces and game map are much more modern than the usual 1940 games.

The map is bright, multicolored and very detailed. The pieces are wooden with different shapes for armor, motorized and infantry corps and they all have a National Flag attached... Each unit type has a different movement and defense with support being key.

Very playable, even now.
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My gosh, this looks like it could be reissued and be a hit today. Just fascinating. I'd love to see a piece compendium and rules summary to try and home-make one.
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Fascinating. It probably isn't related to the game of the same name desinged/invented by Kurt Vonnegut. Or is it?
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This GHQ game was published in England in 1940 by Waddingtons, before we were in the war and before Vonnegut went overseas. From what I have been able to find Vonnegut send his GHQ to Saalfield Publishing Co. in Ohio. There was a GHQ done in the USA in the 40s (I have a copy, it was published by All-Fair) but its simply a repacking of another game they made called Battle. I don't think Vonnegut was involved.
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I also own this game. It is awesome. I like to call it a "near beer and pretzels" game. I would like to see this game reprinted or reworked and put on the market. It's very playable. I sometimes use GHQ micro-armor early WWII 1/285th scale minis instead of the units provided with the game. I also have included an additional unit for the Netherlands army, and an additional unit for the Belgian army. The German player in this game also has the option of attacking France via Switzerland, so I also made up a Swiss army unit. I give the Germans an additional five game pieces to fight the neutrals with. The Maginot line and the Siegfried lines are both handled well in this game. Units are only allowed to move one space at a time when in the enemy's fortified area. One thing about the game pieces themselves, the pieces are very old, made of wood, and have pins attached with thick paper national flags for Poland, Germany, France, and UK. There is a free Polish army unit stationed in France, so we know the game is from 1940, and was possibly issued/printed during the "Phony war"/winter of 1939-1940. It's funny that this game was overlooked for so many years by gamers. It must have been a real stinker when it was published, (especially after the Allies disaster in France in the spring of 1940.) I never recall seeing it mentioned in any of the wargaming magazines I have from SPI-UK (the Phoenix magazine). I lived in Liege Belgium, and on occasion would go to England in the late 1970's for SPI and Avalon Hill games. Never did I see Waddingtons GHQ game mentioned anywhere. I bought mine at a flea market in Liege around 1980, and it is the same as the game pictured here, other than it has a pink cup to shake the dice with. I have seen the game once on the internet, and it sold for $250. It works well solo.
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DCermak wrote:
This GHQ game was published in England in 1940 by Waddingtons, before we were in the war and before Vonnegut went overseas. From what I have been able to find Vonnegut send his GHQ to Saalfield Publishing Co. in Ohio. There was a GHQ done in the USA in the 40s (I have a copy, it was published by All-Fair) but its simply a repacking of another game they made called Battle. I don't think Vonnegut was involved.


Currently doing a research project on Kurt Vonnegut's "GHQ," which was sent to the company Dan Cermak mentions in 1956. It is unrelated to the Waddingtons game, as far as I know, and was never published. From what little I know of it so far, Vonnegut's game was to be played on a regular chessboard, with markers representing units including a headquarters, three types of infantry, and three types of artillery. Veterans were the intended players of the game, and in the words of Kurt, "as it develops it bears many strong similarities to tactical situtations of ground troops in warfare."
The Lily Library at Indiana University in Bloomington houses most of Vonnegut's papers, and I will be lucky enough to take a look at Vonnegut's description of the game to Saalfield, as well as the rules to the game, in the next few days. I'm planning on giving it a play with some buddies, and I'll let you guys know what else I find out.
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8. Board Game: Diplomacy [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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A favorite of mine based on the pieces, the map and the background.

Diplomacy came out in 1939 and after the Germans attacked Poland people wouldn't buy a game with the Nazi Flag on the gameboard. The makers began including an alternate set of Russian and German Flags to replace the offending one on the game board (see the additional picture I included in the Diplomacy record of the database).

Again this game has a lot of choices based on the map board, playing pieces and the addition of special cards to the basic game play. It's all about collecting territories to grow your empire through diplomatic means.
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9. Board Game: Dog Fight [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Dog-Fight (1942) - gotta love a game that requires you to set up the board in wooden holders so that it stands erect in the form of a triangle and supports the game's metal planes in little slits on the mapboard (check out the picture under the game's image section).

Dog-Fight has miniature fighters, bombers and Anti-Aircraft weapons and is effective in giving the feel of flying a squadron even if it isn't quite true 3 D.

Not as rare as some of the games in my collection, its presentation easily puts it in the top tier.
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Novel idea.
 
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Yep that was 12 Power Grid maps back to back over two days. Worth doing, but possibly not in such a concentrated burst.
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Dog-Fight "An aerial combat game", they were much more honest in their advertising back then. These days it would be "the aerial combat game"
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10. Board Game: Bombers Aloft [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Bomber's Aloft (1941) is another bombing game that has a unique way of presenting the game pieces. Each plane is placed nose first in the appropriate elevation slot of a metal holder (elevation is determined at the beginning and changes during game play). The players move around a circle bombing as many targets as possible and getting shot at by AA fire.

The rules say that up to 7 players can play the game in less than 30 minutes. I haven't tried that yet.
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11. Board Game: Dictator [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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For many collectors Dictator (1939) is the ultimate game. It includes over half a pound of lead miniatures and has a great presentation in terms of components. The lead battleships, planes, subs, and aviators are easily broken so its hard to find the game in one piece...

The game play was fairly deep for its time with cards (coup and revolt) affecting game play as well as a map that was timely including areas that were key in the events of the period.

The game play mechanism is simple but effective (movement around a game circle with spaces that add or take away armaments, cards or money). The goal is to gather resources via conquest of the 3 colonies on the map.

Dictator is the last game of my first Geeklist and hopefully you find this small part of the history of strategy and wargames as interesting as I do. If you have any questions about the games let me know.

I hope to have another group in the database shortly with a focus on things like second tier publishers (Corey games, E.E. Fairchild, and All-Fair Games). I also have a fair number of games produced in Germany (both before and during WWII) that I will be adding.
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I added a couple more shots of Dictator to give a better idea of the contents and detail of the game.



The cards (Coup & Revolt) show back and front, side by side, so you can see what kinds of game play they provide.
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Dan, you did a really great job describing these old games. Thanks again.
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Amazing list.
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Bloody marvellous. The first geeklist on which I regret I have but one thumb to give.
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It's rare that a geek list nowadays can surprise or delight, but this does both. Congrats on your fine collection!! Truly amazing...I am so jealous!
 
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Unbelievable! I've been a wargamer for 40 years and almost everything you've uncovered here is a revelation to me. I would pay a lot of money for a book compiling these gems, with some fold out maps and cardboard counters. No, I guess that's out of the question. Still, I'll haunt antique shops with these lists in mind. Thanks for the great, great research.
 
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A very interesting list of games that I have never heard of before. How enlightening it is to learn that wargames have been around for a lot longer than we thought. Makes you wonder how many more were out there, printed by obscure companies or self-published, that have vanished into the mists of time. I'm sure you are taking extra care in preserving these rare titles - keep up the good work.
 
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