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Best heavy two player games in your opinion?
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There are times when you get just one player to participate to your game night. You would still like to keep the game night. Then you just have to find a suitable two player game, that's all. Some of the two player games are so great that you don't even notice that the amount of participants is just two. As a matter fact you'll not see anything else than the game. Provided that it's good enough. In our game club we have sometimes heavy sundays, when we play just heavy games. It can be quite difficult to get players to these brain burning festivals. So that we'd need also heavy games that can be played with just two players for these. The game should last atleast two hours.

Please feel free to add any suggestions to the list! Your help is appreciated. These will be the games that we acquire for the club. Thank you for your help!
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Posted On: 2008-01-20 22:04:13
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1. Go [Average Rating:7.91 Overall Rank:29]
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Go is the ultimate heavy two player game IMO. It's like Antoine de Saint Exupéry said that perfection isn't reached when there's nothing more to add, but when there is nothing that could be removed. Go has the most simple rules a game can have and still it's one of the deepest games that exists. You have to appreciate the level of perfection.
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Posted On: 2008-01-20 21:48:44
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absolutely true.

Go is heavy in depth, strategy and usage of neurons.

Go is not heavy in rules. Go can also be played fairly fast (45 minutes gameif you play fast)so it is not necessarily heavy in game length (though a game can last several hours).
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The first game I thought of when I saw the title of this list.
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∞ Rayito Gauguin ∞
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It's like Antoine de Saint Exupéry said that perfection isn't reached when there's nothing more to add, but when there is nothing that could be removed.


But, historically, what makes Go deep is what has been added (board size increased) not what was removed. In fact the apperently official(?) Japanese rules listed here on BGG (http://files.boardgamegeek.com/geekfile_view.php?fileid=4615) imply that the board size will continue to increase as players desire more complexity.
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That's true. But I am speaking about the rules. But even if you consider that how elegant the game is, there is nothing to be taken away either. Just stones and board with a simple grid. You could play this with just stones and draw the board.
2. Advanced Squad Leader (ASL) [Average Rating:7.97 Overall Rank:42]
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ASL is the longest game that I can add to this list. Mainly because the library where we have played is open for just 6 hours on sundays. Haven't tried it but it seems fascinating.
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Posted On: 2008-01-20 21:51:14
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It's an amazing but heavy game. Look into the Advanced Squad Leader (ASL) Starter Kit #1 for a great intro to the system. It's cheap and has an amazing amount of depth. Once you figure it out you can play a scenario in 3 hrs or less. If you move into the full game you will have an amazing amount of depth. However, the full game is quite rules-intensive so I would start with the starter kit first before jumping into the first game.

Awesome!

In the full game there are several Finnish scenarios as well-the Finns are badass in ASL.
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ASL isn't a LONG game....

There are plenty of big wargames that take getting on for 6 hours just to setup!

That said ASL is a very good tactical wargame.
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3. EastFront [Average Rating:7.97 Overall Rank:139]
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As my grandfather also participated to the battles on the east front this is the battlefield where I want to battle too. After all the fact that Finland survived as a country from the war was a miracle. Well our command was supreme compared to the Russians. Stalin did a very bad mistake in shooting all the good generals he had. Well thanks to his mistakes Finland exists today. Besides supreme command Finland had also superior tactics. I get a bit nationalistic when I think about these battles. But it's just to celebrate the memory of my dear grand father. He was always a war hero to me.
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My Grandmother has always told us about sisu. It seems to be a hard one to translate into English exactly but when I consider what the Finns faced during the Winter War I think I get some understanding; even without proper translation. She translates it as "to have guts". Indeed.
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We have lot of sayings that have sisu mentioned. Like:

Sisulla siitä selviää. (If you have the guts you can make it.)
Sisu, sauna, salmiakki ja Sibelius. (Doesn't need a translation. But these are the neljä ässää (four aces, ässä=ace and letter 's') that describe the Finnish culture)

Sisu can't be translated to English. But it means cold will or persistance even in the impossible situation. Like in the setting of WW2. The Finnish cavalry troops called "hakkapeliitta" troops were famous in the middle ages for their cold will. Hakkapeliitta comes from a Finnish battlecry "Hakkaa päälle pohjanpoika, ettei meitä toiset voita!" I don't how that should be translated. Maybe as something like "Beat the shit out of them, you son of north, so that they can't beat us!" Doesn't really translate to English either.
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hobitti wrote:
"Beat the shit out of them, you son of north!" Doesn't really translate to English either.


I love it! I'm gettting that tattooed somewhere.:) I keep wanting to put together a Geeklist of all the games that star the Finns or take place in Finland. I really need to get that going!
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The short version is that "Hakkaa päälle pohjanpoika!" the longer version has a rhyme.
4. Twilight Struggle [Average Rating:8.32 Overall Rank:4]
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I am very interested about the cold war. And this is it at it's hottest. The threat of nuclear war is glooming the world. Who will win? Or is the human kind come to an end. I was a child when the cold war ended but I can still remember it.
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