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The third in a series after Dice-Fests and beginning with Settlers of Catan, I find myself once again drawn to some "basic" games that seem to be overlooked by the community.

Namely, card games.

Not Games that use cards, mind you (like Race for the Galaxy or Ticket to Ride, both games I like)... but card games that use a basic deck of cards.

That's right. I still like games that use the basic, good old fashioned cards.

Feel free to add your own.

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1. Board Game: Poker [Average Rating:6.78 Overall Rank:368]
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Ahh poker...

I like poker. The whole aspect of the the game just appeals to me. Heck, I spend my whole time at work dealing with people and having to read them... I tend to be rather good at poker. And I like it.
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Great game to start off the list.

My favorite game. It has everything: skill, luck, bluffing, the decisions of going for it or playing it safe, simple rules, easy setup, game length can be as quick or long as a player wants, has player elimination (but you can always buy back in), good party game, good social game, good drinking game, can be an intimate couples game (strip variant), I will stop there.

I think it is the most played game in Movies and Television shows because everyone knows it, and it has built in drama. It has been overexposed on ESPN, etc., but I just think that goes with the "reality TV" genre right now, and I think it is better reality TV than anything else out there (I don't watch it myself; I would rather play).

"No Mr. Spock.......not chess......poker". Star Trek - "The Corbomite Manuever."


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I'm burnt on poker. When I started to rebuild my collection in 2002, it seemed like the majority of my friends switched to playing poker and poker only. I don't mind playing a game or two of hold 'em, but all night? Can't do it.
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I'm remembering this the next time I host a session after EPGS. (I know it's been a while; still, I don't believe you've ever partaken.)
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My wife and I will go months without playing, then months with playing Cribbage.

Its one of my favorite card games.
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I play this more than any other game. I've gradually raised my rating over the years, it's now a 10 in my book.
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Quote:
Its one of my favorite card games.


Not just a favorite card game, but favorite games period!
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David Vander Ark wrote:
Snooze_uk wrote:


Am I missing something?


I felt the way you felt for quite a while, until I started playing regularly. After playing this so often I'm finding ways to make some of those "obvious" decisions in a subtly different way. Despite the fact that there is a large luck element, it's often possible to deduce what your opponent may be holding before the third card is played, leading to pegging or blocking opportunities in play.

There's a depth to this that belies the luck.


It's oft been said that "Cribbage is 60% luck, and 60% skill... and the winning or loosing is in the overlap."
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My dad taught me this game when I was 10. I am forever grateful.
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Best game I ever learnt for two people. It seems full of trivial rules at first but is a really skillful game. I have probably played cribbage more than any other game.
3. Board Game: Euchre [Average Rating:6.77 Overall Rank:620]
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My wife and I learned this a few years ago and enjoy teaching others it.

Its one of my favorite trump games.

We also like partnership games, although, we tend to get angry at each other... hmmm...
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6-handed version (played with a pinochle deck) is really far and away better than the 4-handed. The latter just seem to lack depth in comparison.
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Any game where you get to stick cards behind your ears is ah-right in my book!




(p.s.- this is what you do when you are "in the barn")
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ScrabbleGangsta wrote:
Any game where you get to stick cards behind your ears is ah-right in my book!




(p.s.- this is what you do when you are "in the barn")


"In the barn" and "milking the cow?" or something similar is not as common in Michigan. Somewhere we discussed this but for the life of me, I can't find it now using the search feature. As a mid-westerner tho - it is definitely a right of passage to play Euchre. Anyhoo, yes, I love this game.

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I guess since I grew up playing Pinochle for so long I always hated Euchre.

I kind of feel like it's the short bus of Trump/partnership games.

No offense meant to the multitude that love playing it, but I think if you took the time to really learn pinochle you'd never play this game again unless you were on a long bus trip and had minimal time and space.
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gordon1018 wrote:
I guess since I grew up playing Pinochle for so long I always hated Euchre.

I kind of feel like it's the short bus of Trump/partnership games.

No offense meant to the multitude that love playing it, but I think if you took the time to really learn pinochle you'd never play this game again unless you were on a long bus trip and had minimal time and space.


Ditto here as well, though I cut my teeth on Spades...Euchre has always felt like it's missing too much of what I like about Spades.
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Hearts is a game that I like to play, but am horrible at.

While it seems rather easy, it can be hard to master.
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This is my favourite classic card game.
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I much prefer hearts with "spot hearts" scoring (hearts count face value, hearts picture cards 10, Queen of Spades 13), as it de-emphasizes the Queen of Spades (as compared to regular scoring with 1 point per heart card, 13 for the QoS).
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Awesome game. The variant we played throughout college was that the Jack of diamonds is worth -5 points. It adds an interesting element to the game.

Our game style was fairly aggressive where we were always trying to shoot the moon, which we typically tried to do every hand, avoid all points, which we did when shooting was hopeless, or catch the Jack of Diamonds without getting the Queen of spades.
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At a former job we played this to death at lunch. Finally one of the high muckity-mucks learned that we were playing so he started reserving a conference room and joined us.

We loved dumping the Queen on him because he would always shout "You're all Sons of the BITCH!!!!"

Good times, good times.
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3 in the morning is a good time to play hearts. When nothing really matters but the convivial company of friends and the pretty colours of the cards in your hand.
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A nice game that scales down as well as up is always welcome.

I would probably mention this as one of the better 3 player card games...though I haven't played it in ages now since I bought all these schnazzy Euro card games like Cosmic Eidex, Flaschenteufel, and the like.
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shh.. I have a secret...

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I really want to learn. There just seems no one to teach my wife and I.

It seems like one of the best partnership games out there.
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Don't feel too bad; I've never played Euchre, Cribbage, Pinochle OR Bridge ;)
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I loved playing this until my partner bought a bidding book. We started creating our own bidding techniques before that and it was quite fun. Memorization has never been my bag, so I quit when everybody started using different techniques.

Much more fun when the intellect is engaged.
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If you and your wife go at it in partnership games, you should seriously consider NOT being partners in Bridge. It's true that Bridge has broken up marriages.

But um, no offense, but after reading this list, I have a feeling that your wife will pick it up faster than you. But to offer a bit of practical advice, most trick taking card games are exercises in counting. The basics is just knowing how many card of each suit was played. Then you can plan your play better.

In most climbing games (like Presidents and A**hole, Tichu, or Peon/Peasant mentioned on this list,) the basic skill is counting the high cards so you can time when you win the stack.

(btw - I'm surprised nobody has added Wizard yet.)
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Snooze_uk wrote:
Plus the snobbery that surrounds the game is phenomenal. A couple - some friends of mine - who also understood the basics of bridge and played occasionaly with friends - decided to attend a local club for a bit of fun. After the first evening they were told, in no uncertain terms, that they were not welcome back because they didn't use an "official" bidding mechanism! That sort of attitude seems quite common in bridge circles. :shake:


The requirement to use a well-known bidding system at clubs is intended to make the game easier, so that you do not need to learn a new bidding system every time you encounter new opponents. (You really need to know the bidding system the opponents are using.)

Actually, at top-level tournaments (such as World Championships), the players are allowed devise their own bidding systems freely, but they are required to publish them some time before the tournament so that the opponents have time to study tuem.
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Snooze_uk wrote:
The fact that at most tournaments you even have to tell opponents what bidding mechanism you're using is plain ridiculous!


The purpose of this rule is to make bridge a game of coding instead of a game crypting. That is, when you bid you make information publicly available instead of available only to your partner. I cannot see anything ridiculous with that principle.

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Plus the snobbery that surrounds the game is phenomenal. A couple - some friends of mine - who also understood the basics of bridge and played occasionaly with friends - decided to attend a local club for a bit of fun. After the first evening they were told, in no uncertain terms, that they were not welcome back because they didn't use an "official" bidding mechanism! That sort of attitude seems quite common in bridge circles. :shake:


Actually, the snobbery thing goes the other way around. At an average bridge club, the snobs are the ones who want to use weird conventions, and thus oppose restrictions put on bidding systems. The non-snobs want to avoid learning the snobbish non-standard conventions, and hence want everyone to use the standard bidding systems.
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A nice card game to play with my wife's Youth group.

I don't mind playing it every once in a while.
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Essentially War with some physical dexterity added in -- but that's enough skill added for me to consider it an okay game as opposed to a worthless one =)
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This was a physical sport at my school. We would pass 2 decks to each player and have at it (the game would literally last hours) :)

Ah... memories
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A very painful game that was repeatedly banned from a coffee house I used to hang out at.

Do not play this with the ladies, especially the ladies who wear hand jewelry...you will be sorry.
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A game with constant changing rules that I play every time we have a certain family friend of ours over.

Not a bad game, just fun with the right people.
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I'm surprised this was already listed - I was planning on listing it myself ;)

I'd still call this my favorite game. Never gets old because it's a new game every time.
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Completely agree, one of my group's favorites...

There was a time when, just before the Mao was declared, he'd roll a d4, and make THAT many rolls... we did that until we had 75 rules circulating around... then we quit :)
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Completely agree, one of my group's favorites...

There was a time when, just before the Mao was declared, he'd roll a d4, and make THAT many rolls... we did that until we had 75 rules circulating around... then we quit :)


Haha, 75?? That seems quite a bit beyond the saturation point I think ;) I think we usually quit at the 10-15 (1-3 hour) range. When you can't remember your OWN rules to enforce them anymore, let alone other players' rules... then it's about time to stop, hehe.
8. Board Game: Pinochle [Average Rating:6.90 Overall Rank:691]
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Okay... for some reason, I have never played/learned/had the opportunity to play this...

Tell me why I should. Please.
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Another really good "couples" game (i.e., 2 teams of 2). It combines bidding and trick-taking like Bridge, but without the wealth of "bidding conventions" and other "unwritten" tactics.

My wife & I just re-learned Pinochle and have enjoyed the opportunity to play with my parents when they visit (it's one of the few games that my Dad will play).
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Played two-player it is a decent game. You draw a replacement card for each card you play, making new melds over the course of the hand.

Played three player it is an excellent game. Two play against one. Vicious.

Played double-deck four player in partnerships it is perhaps the best traditional-deck four player card game in existence outside of Bridge. The only other game that's close is Spades, and IMO Pinochle is much better. If you play Euchre, you'll have no trouble learning Pinochle, although you're better off having someone teach you instead of mucking your way through it using a book or pagat.com. The bidding for the right to call trump sets the bar for the score you must make in meld points plus card points taken in tricks after the meld phase. Watching what others meld helps you card count the 20 card hand you're holding. Much more depth than Euchre, where the decisions are rarely challenging.
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David Vander Ark wrote:
Played two-player it is a decent game.

Played three player it is an excellent game.

Played double-deck four player in partnerships it is perhaps the best traditional-deck four player card game in existence outside of Bridge. The only other game that's close is Spades, and IMO Pinochle is much better.


He pretty much covered it.

Two-handed was the first version, but I prefer Gin Rummy and Cribbage (but this is probably my third favorite, but at third rarely played).

Three-handed is okay, but I prefer Hearts.

Four-handed Partnership Pinochle is great. I think Bridge is better, but Pinochle is lighter and is played more by me. I have to agree to disagree with David, in that I prefer single pack Partnership Pinochle (48 deck). To keep it light, but intellectually satisfying, twelve tricks per hand is my favorite. With double pack I have to count way too much (I'll take Bridge if I am that stimulated), and there are too many duplicates of the same rank (just my personal preference; I have played both ways many times).

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I played partnership Pinochle during my days at Temple University. I never tried the 3pl version, but have heard from many that it is an exceptional game.
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I guess redundant seeing as I commented on the Euchre post area.

I started playing when I was Eight with my parents and grandma, and I take every opportunity to teach other friends so I have more people to play with

WE always play with single deck partnership, but with the four card "kitty" in the middle. High bidder takes the four cards and adds them to their hand and then discards any four they choose into their "trick points"

It adds an element of draw poker and a little bit of bluffing on the bids.

Such a great game because even non-card counters can count at least the trump, and the more you play with people and learn their style, the more intricate a game can get.

If anyone's in the Phoenix area and wants to learn or play a partner game let me know.

It's definitely worth the one night it will take to learn as opposed to the three dictionaries you'll have to read to play bridge.
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This poker driven game has turned into our favorite filler. No gambling needed to "drive" the game, so it's completely portable with a deck of cards and a single game plays in ~5 minutes. I've played this on airplanes and in waiting rooms. Clever.
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I'm still trying to get this played with my 'casual' game group. One guy there likes Poker but doesn't want to play this since it doesn't have the gambling aspect :P
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Probably my favorite 2 player standard deck card game. You can play at a coffee shop; just shut your brain and play. You can also make it quite deep if you want to count cards and really think about it.

Fun!
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I totally forgot about Rummy (and its kin)...

:angry:

Thanks for adding it.

-DK
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Made an awful lot of beer money playing $.10/point rummy all throughout college. This game will always have a place in my heart [or maybe my liver]...
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A fun partnership trick-taking game. Kind of bridge-(really)lite but still has a fair amount to think about and makes for a nice social game. It might scratch that bridge itch without the massive overhead or complex scoring.
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I guess this was a big game in the army (at least in the 70's) - so this is a game I grew up playing with my dad. One of the few games he would regularly play with us. And he was almost always SANDBAGGING!!!!!!!!
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Was my basic card game of choice for years, and is one of my few 10 rated games based on all of the fun I've had with this.

Spades is a huge pain in the ass to play for me now though because I'm used to playing a specific variety of Spades that only a small group of people in Kalamazoo, MI play, and several members of that old group have spread out around the country now.

I am still very fond of this though...I just wish I could play it more.
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Sheepshead is one of the best card games I have ever played. 5-handed is the best, but 4- and 3-handed are worth playing. We play it every day during lunch.
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Played this so much that I've played once in the past 9 years. Before that, 2-3 times a week, no less than 4 hours a shot. Really a great game, tho.
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Don't! I say don't play this in Bavaria unless you know the rules and are an experienced player. This is THE game in bavaria. I am bavarian and never got the hang of it although my 3 little brothers play it and beat the ... out of me every time. Heck even my grandmothers play better than me. Takes a lot of experience to master. Yea ok my grandmothers have been playing this game for 70+ years and my parents and my brothers and my friends... but I'm sick of this game. The main reason being: mastering the game mechanics is pretty easy, but playing it right (with your father/grandmother/uncle/even little brother) without getting yelled at and ridiculed is tough. Hate this game even though i'm bavarian. Excellent game though, so I'm told (by my father/grandmother/uncle/little brother)
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one more note: the bavarians have a totally different deck of cards. You guys play with the french deck of cards, Schafkopfen is usually played with the german deck of cards, making the game a bit easier.

Eichel -> Grass -> Herz -> Schelln

Clubs -> Spades -> Hearts -> Diamonds

and

Ober -> Unter -> As -> 10 -> König -> 9 ->...

Q -> J -> Ace -> 10 -> King -> 9 -> ...


This should make it clear. Clearer than this post, I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheepshead

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Eder wrote:
Don't! I say don't play this in Bavaria unless you know the rules and are an experienced player. This is THE game in bavaria. I am bavarian and never got the hang of it although my 3 little brothers play it and beat the ... out of me every time. Heck even my grandmothers play better than me. Takes a lot of experience to master. Yea ok my grandmothers have been playing this game for 70+ years and my parents and my brothers and my friends... but I'm sick of this game. The main reason being: mastering the game mechanics is pretty easy, but playing it right (with your father/grandmother/uncle/even little brother) without getting yelled at and ridiculed is tough. Hate this game even though i'm bavarian. Excellent game though, so I'm told (by my father/grandmother/uncle/little brother)


Who said anything about not getting yelled at. I've been playing for two years now with people that grew up playing the game. I'm still learning all of the subtle nuances of the game, such as knowing when to play what cards based on who picked, who led what, who threw off what, where the picker is in position of the card led, ...
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That's what i'm talking about. Now imagine your dad and grandmothers sitting there with you and you just don't know what to play, which card to pick... Yeah I guess I'm a bit traumatized
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The Basic trick taking game. If you understand trump and tricks you can play this game. It's quick easy and has enough luck that you can't take it too seriously.

The game play of bridge without learning a second language. Although at some point you will say out loud "There has got to be some way of picking the trump suit!". You will then remember that bridge is out there and leave the question lie.
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I'd never heard of this game until I read "Around the World in 80 Days". Interesting that people still play it.
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I absolutely love this game! And it's probably the game that I have played the most.
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I was introduced to the variation called "Bid Whist" by some guys I used to work with. It's incredible - I'd love to play this more often. I need to read up on the difference between Bid Whist and classic Whist - BW was anything but basic.
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Normal Whist is a useful game to know if you're trying to break someone into a more advanced game with bidding, like Spades, because it takes some of the complication away and allows them to learn the fundamentals of taking tricks.

A bit dull for the seasoned card flopper though.
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Possibly my favourite card game. We played this one to death in high school. (Well, this and euchre.)
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Yes, this is a fun one. Easy to teach. There's some strategy. And it scales well from 3-6 players.
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Or 'Peasant', as we know it. Similar to The Great Dalmuti, which is just a packaged version of this game with some minor changes. A fairly light game with just enough strategy to remain interesting. Best with at least 5, better with 7.
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A little bit different from more traditional trick taking or set collecting card games, I learned to play this in Scout camp (although we called it Baloney). Plays like a light, card version of Liar's Dice.
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Marcin S
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Looks like there's not to many people who've played this one...

Two decks, two players. This is a bit of a two-player solitaire. But it's also extremely confrontational (yes, it IS possible).

My parents taught me this game, they used to play it on long autumn evenings. I haven't played it in a while, but when I did, I always liked it.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the Polish game for this one is "Garibaldka": which means something like "the Garibaldi game".
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