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I like tea.

Not that wussy stuff in bags.

Real TEA, the kind that comes as loose leaves. You have to steep it in an infuser (like one of those little mesh balls or something).

True Tea has to contain the plant Camellia Sinensis. Based on the time of picking and drying preparation, this can be made into various final products like green teas, black teas, oolong or white tea.

Other drinks commonly accepted as "tea" are things like rooibos (pronounced Roybus) or herbal infusions. I have no problem still calling it "tea".

Let's talk tea.

And please please please add your favorites (or hated varieties).
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The difference between black and white tea is the way the leaf is prepared.

White teas have the leaf steam dried. That's about it. They look more like fresh grass. Often even slightly fuzzy.

Black tea is what you would find commonly called "Tea" in America. Its been dried through various sun or baking processes.

White tea is far more delicate and sweeter. Often there is a bitter edge.

Black tea is much stronger.
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And here's me thinking that the difference was white tea has milk in it.

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Black tea became common in Europe and the America's because the process of curring the tea made it last longer.

Europeans IN India and China universally drank the green tea, as it had a finer flavor, but they shipped black tea back to England, because the trip around the horn of Africa took 8 months, at best, and green tea would rot in the damp ship holds, while black tea all arrived in good condition.

Also, Tea became so important to the British economy that the crown ordered the tea houses to keep a supply to last 18 months in warehouses in London, in case a disaster should interrupt the tea trade. So, Tea for general consumption in england had been in storage for 26+ months before it went on sale...
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Black tea - aka 'Builders tea'. Prefer White or Green tea myself - more subtle taste.
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Green tea has oodles of wonderful health benefits. It is steamed, but not oxidized. This preserves a lot of the original plant flavor, but also allows flavors to be added without being overpowering.

Certain strains will taste like... grass clippings.
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Caffeine is an antioxident. Control studies I... er... read about... had drinkers of green tea drinking either caffeinated or decaf green tea. (Wonderful processes they have these days for gently removing caffeine from things.)

Measurable health benefits for green tea disappeared without the caffeine.

Sorry, this was a while ago and I haven't a clue where to find the source.
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The grassiness is what has turned me off of green tea. There is a Japanese restaurant near here that all my Japanese co-workers go to because it is most "Authentic" and their tea tastes like it came from my yard.


You should probably be drinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genmaicha at a Japanese restaurant. It's been a while since I've drank this, unfortunately, so I can't fully remember if it's "grassy" or not, but you might want to try different green teas.

Like coffee, teas are somewhat of an acquired taste, and as you drink more of it, your enjoyment will likely deepen.
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Also it really depends on the quality. As I'm sure your aware, green tea comes in lots of different grades. You can usually tell a good one because the tea leaves them selves uncurl and are usually quite large. Cheaper green tea will be more powdery. I'm not actually that fussy my self, nice green tea is great, I bought a whole bunch when I was in japan, but I'll still drink the cheapest nastiest stuff out there. I mainly drink chinese stuff now, as a bought some in australia when I was last there. Even worse I make iced green tea to drink in summer, very refreshing.
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jgrundy wrote:
Caffeine is an antioxident. Control studies I... er... read about... had drinkers of green tea drinking either caffeinated or decaf green tea. (Wonderful processes they have these days for gently removing caffeine from things.)

Measurable health benefits for green tea disappeared without the caffeine.

Sorry, this was a while ago and I haven't a clue where to find the source.
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That's a shame. I love green tea, but I'm hypersensitive to caffeine, so I have to be absolutely sure it contains only trace amounts per cup (5mg or less).
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My favorite Green tea is Tamaryokucha
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Gunpowder is a WONDERFUL tea.

Each leaf is individually rolled into a tiny ball and it is smoke dried.

It ras a great round flavor, something like a lightly smoked black tea, but it is a green tea by definition.

This stuff is excellent, and I must always have it available in my house. The least 'green' tasting of the greens. Get the benefits but not the flavor if you find the flavor of traditional greens too veggie.

This stuff expands crazily as the leaves unfurl from their gunpowder shape, which is kind of fun.
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I once got some black gunpowder from my tea merchant. This was a great tea, but he only was able to get it that one time.
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I also have had gunpowder black. I liked it a lot. It was definitely a black tea, flavorwise (I'm not a big fan of greens so I would have noticed).
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Because of how this expands you need to make sure you have it in a larger infuser than you might otherwise think. It's pretty fun to see the little balls of tea open up into little leaves. The leaves are rolled this way to protect them from damage; you could ship gunpowder tea without it spoiling or becoming ruined. You can also imagine how helpful it would be to have these much tinier, compressed leaves!

Once, while at the office, I dropped my infuser while spooning gunpowder into it. The tea flew everywhere, and for the next week I kept finding these little gunpowder pellets. Now I have to look at the gal who cleans our office and hope she didn't think a mouse crapped all over my office.

I really like gunpowder because it's got much of the fullness of a black tea, plus the benefits that Geosphere mentions.

Gunpowder is a fairly widely-available tea. When shopping for it you want to make sure you buy pellets that look waxy; this is an indication that the tea is fresher, as the leaves still contain their natural oils.
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Lapsang Souchong.

Tea of the Gods, I tell you!

My son calls it "Burnt Bacon" tea.

This is a very strong flavor (and smell) made by drying the tea leaves over burning pine needles.

It tastes like the acrid smoke of burning rope, and I mean that in a good way.

If you consider yourself a tea drinker and have never delved into the heady masculine flavor of lapsang, you are doing yourself a disservice.
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I drink more lapsang than anything else. To me it tastes a lot like a Islay Scotch. I use one of these to drink it...:



A friend of mine brought it back from China for me, but I just discovered that Amazon is selling them:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000SZNWD4
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Cigarette butt tea. I could make it by taking the contents of a dirty ashtray and mixing it with hot water :gulp:
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I once made a chocolate lapsang souchong ice cream. One of my coworkers commented that it would probably taste good on a steak. I need to try that some day.
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The whole house stinks when he makes this...
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I describe this tea as "tasting like a campfire."

When I was growing up, my Mother eventually asked me to stop even brewing it in the house. She hated the smell that bad.
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India is a huge producer of Tea, and the place where Chai comes from.

OK, all you Starbuckians, let's get this straight - "Chai" in tea terminology is the cheap crap tea that is too powdery to be made into good loose leaf tea. That's right, chai is the scraps, not the good stuff.

However, to make up for the shoddy quality of the base leaf, all sorts of wonderful things tend to get added.

One important additive here is milk. Chai is meant to be served heavily milked.

Another characteristic of Chai is the spicing added to the base tea. Usually cinammon is among the flavors.

I enjoy Chai Rooibos, which is a wonderfully seasoned "tastes like red hots" blend, which you can add to your favorite black tea (1:1) and end up with a good hearty spiced tea.
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Actually, chai simply means "tea" in Hindi. In english, chai is usually used to mean "masala chai", which is simply spiced tea. You may be correct that Starbucks Chai is made from the scraps, but Chai can also be made from quality leaf tea as well.

The things that most masala chai recipes have in common are that: (1) they are made with black tea, (2) they are at least half milk, and (3) they are spiced with Cardamom, as well as other spices which may include cloves, cinnamon, ginger, and peppercorn, depending on the recipe.
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I enjoy a masala chai with no milk but a spoonful of wildflower honey, not traditional but thoroughly delicious.
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Yep, chai means tea, masala chai is spiced tea (YUM), and there is actually a Kashmiri chai I used to get in Islamabad that was just served out of big vats that slowly steeped over a fire. It was great in the frosty February mornings and evenings of North Pakistan. It was kinda red and they served it with sprinkles of coconut on top. Don't ask me what was actually in it.
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The best thing about chai, is the milk. I've only had chai in india, but the milk in india is superb, probably because it was unpasturized. For me it was almost the sole reason to drink it, you had this wonderful drink, sweet, spiced and with the best, creamiest milk I've ever had. Not really the same here, but I'll still drink it, spiced milk as a whole is a favourite drink of mine.
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ibn_ul_khattab wrote:
The best thing about chai, is the milk. I've only had chai in india, but the milk in india is superb, probably because it was unpasturized. For me it was almost the sole reason to drink it, you had this wonderful drink, sweet, spiced and with the best, creamiest milk I've ever had. Not really the same here, but I'll still drink it, spiced milk as a whole is a favourite drink of mine.


I understood there was a tendency to use evaporated milk in india (or maybe condensed- i can never remember the difference ) which accounts for the sweet creamy taste.
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Earl Grey, piping hot.

That's what Picard often asked the replicator for.

Earl Grey is a standard imperial black which has been infused with bergamot.

Bergamot is a flower with a very strong scent.

The result is a somewhat floral bouquet and a tea which has a taste something like licorice.

It isn't unpleasant at all.
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Not a fan of this one at all...
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I like something known here as "Professor's special", a 50-50 mix of Earl Grey and Lapsang. (Suitable for a Math (associate) Professor, no?)
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Both Earl and Lady Grey are both great teas.

And this GeekDuel idea really needs to be put into practice, see:
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Earl Grey, afternoons only. The perfect tea.
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I've always thought that Earl Grey tea tasted effeminate, while Jasmine tea tasted feminine.

Having said that, I enjoy drinking both ...
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Sometimes, what makes a tea so compelling is not just the flavor, but the presentation and preparation.

Star Of China is a strange tea. It is a very very green tea. It tastes like fresh cutting. This requires a bit of over sweetening for most, although the flavor is very delicate, and it you sweeten too much you get hot sugar water.

Anyway, Star Of China is made by someone actually taking the tea leaves and hand tying them into little tiny 5-pointed stars. Asterisks of tea! Rather than the usual "1-2 tsp per 6 oz" or such, you steep several "stars" worth of tea.
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Great stuff - no sweeteners necessary!

I get mine from http://www.theteatable.com/
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I'm also fond of Panda Pearls (white) and Dragon Pearls (green), where the leaves are hand-rolled into little "pearls" that open up when infused.

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China Beauty Ring is a bit less elaborate than the Star tea. Each leaf is wrapped around a chopstick during dry time. This makes, you guessed it, little rings.

This is my favorite 'green tasting' green tea. (as opposed to Gunpowder, which does not taste like a green tea).
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Emporer's Red is a great black tea from Fujian and has a wonderful chocolate like taste. Very high quality, great for breakfast with a donut. People say its a dessert tea, but this is really unflavored, and I always felt dessert teas need more festive flavoring. It goes well with desserts and cakes, however.

A great traditional black single estate tea. (As opposed to a blend).
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Several teas are called "Monkey" such and such.

This is due to a legend that monkeys were trained to get the leaves.

I'm not sure how true that ever was, but the annoying thing is it really doesn't define a flavor or denote a blend or anything. Keemun 3 Monkey (a very pleasant black) is NOTHING like Monkey-Picked Ti Kuan Yin (a fairly fruity oolong).
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Not sure if it belongs in this category but Snow Monkey Plum is one of my favorite teas. It has a light plum flavor combined with a smooth black tea. It even tastes great as an iced tea.
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Hopefully, it's not like that Kopi Luwak, the alleged finest coffee in the world. Surely, tea drinkers would be too refined to drink such a thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak
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GyoKuro is the GREENEST of green teas. It is picked before harvest so the leaves are rish in chlorophyll.

Some people find it the finest. The tea is BRIGHT green.

I think it tastes like dishwater.
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OK, Lajos, I'll concede that perhaps mine was prepared incorrectly and it is worth pursuing.

Where should I get it from, and what preparation (temp/time/whatever) should I use?
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Lajos wrote:
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Some people find it the finest.

It is the finest of green teas!

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I think it tastes like dishwater.

This is one of the most shocking and offending things I ever read on BGG...


Just curious, why would it be offending? Just his palette talking. If to him it tastes like dishwater, whats the harm?
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moldndecay wrote:
Lajos wrote:
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Some people find it the finest.

It is the finest of green teas!

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I think it tastes like dishwater.

This is one of the most shocking and offending things I ever read on BGG...


Just curious, why would it be offending? Just his palette talking. If to him it tastes like dishwater, whats the harm?


For an American comparison, if someone said that your finest steak offering (a $50 steak) tasted like manure, what's the harm?
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blueatheart wrote:
moldndecay wrote:
Lajos wrote:
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Some people find it the finest.

It is the finest of green teas!

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I think it tastes like dishwater.

This is one of the most shocking and offending things I ever read on BGG...


Just curious, why would it be offending? Just his palette talking. If to him it tastes like dishwater, whats the harm?


For an American comparison, if someone said that your finest steak offering (a $50 steak) tasted like manure, what's the harm?


LOL, none whatsoever. Ive long since passed caring whether someone likes everything. Its absolutely pointless to get ones panties in a twist simply because of someones opinion.
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moldndecay wrote:
Its absolutely pointless to get ones panties in a twist simply because of someones opinion.


I can't believe anyone would think such a thing.
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Pu Erh is tea that is aged. This stuff supposedly helps you lose weight. Let me tell you something - all tea helps you lose weight. You want a snack? Go make some tea instead. It will fill you, give you the psychological feel of a snack and contains next to nothing bad for you and practically no calories beyond any additives you might put in.

Beyond that, Pu Erh is pretty good, and often comes as pressed pellets, looking something like goat turds. That might be what Pu Erh means, as that would be the reaction after stepping in some.
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Nonsense; I'll just have to make sure I add enough sugar that I'm still consuming as much had I gone for the bag of candy corn instead.
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Hmm, I am a big tea drinker but Pu Erh has a very distinct flavor that I just can not get in to.

Give me a nice Oolong any day.
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Mum sez don't drink pu!
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dogmatix wrote:
I've yet to find anyone importing loose leaf PE into the U.S.


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I have my co-workers bring me back loose-leaf Pu Erh when they go home to visit family in China (Working as a software engineer, I work with many people from China and India, making good opportunities for tea requests). Pu Erh is one of my favorite teas.
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Tea is bitter. Sometimes this is good. Sometimes its too much. Sugar and milk can easily cut the bitter in small quantities. Honey can also be very nice.

For the love of all that is tea, don't use white processed sugar. The flavor is overpowering.

A rock sugar like German Cane or even In The Raw is much less refined and much lighter in taste.

And artificial sweeteners are simply unacceptable.
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Good tea isn't bitter.
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Bitter doesn't mean bad. Bitter means bitter. Sometimes bitter things are good things.
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I suggest demerara sugar. Its darker and closer to raw than the
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TiwazTyrsfist wrote:
Good tea isn't bitter.

Good tea can be very bitter. I have a plantation/elevation-selected Uva tea sitting in my cupboard that is VERY bitter, but you can't say it's not a good tea.
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Good tea can be bitter but it is frequently a mark of bad tea or more likely inappropiate preparation.
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Isn't it because if the water temperature is not right for the specific tea, over-bitterness can occurr? And likewise, underflavoring if the water is below prescribed temperature. (assuming water to leave porportion is correct)
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Add sugar before lemon. Add sugar before lemon. Add sugar before lemon.

Say it with me.

If you are adding lemon (a very common practice) AND sugar (very common again) THE SUGAR HAS TO GO FIRST.

Otherwise, the lemon actually chemically bonds the sugar and prevents it from melting properly into the tea.
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Lajos wrote:
Neither.

Don't add anything to your tea. Just drink better tea.


Damn Right!
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If you put in enough lemon to lower the temperature of the tea (water), then it will take longer to dissolve the sugar, as sugar dissolves more easily in warmer water than cooler. You could, in fact, get a sweeter beverate by putting the sugar in first, if you took the liquid to saturation point, at the higher temperature, then dropped it (giving you a super-saturated solution), than if you started adding at the cooler (post-lemon) temperature. Of course, this is far too sweet for most (all?) tea drinkers.
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I just love this discussion! I am into life sciences myself, and just love the fact that both of you did experiments to test your hypotheses. Wonderful! I'm into biology so I can't help you with the chemistry, but I really enjoy your discussion.
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