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When in the course of human events the requisite number of days have passed to where I have seen the Dark Knight more times than most everyone else and I have taken the proper time to reflect upon my encyclopedic knowledge of the Tim Burton 1989 original, I am ready to proclaim insights and theories on the emerging debate that no doubt will continue with cinemaphiles and fan-boys for ages. For all those requiring a foundation upon which to launch their own diatribes, I present to you the great debate of Joker: Jack or Heath?
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As a film actor, no one else comes close to the record of success of Mr. Jack Nicholson in roles requiring the crazy or the evil. Long before he took the role of the Joker, Jack had already played two of the definitive crazy roles of all time in a man just on the edge in Cuckoo's Nest and a man pushed way over the edge in The Shining. Find me an actor with a better track record on crazy than Jack. Not so much.
 
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Brad Pitt did a pretty good job in The Twelve Monkeys.
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Find me an actor with a better track record on crazy than Jack.


Gary Oldman. Who, as the Dark Night presumably shows, has a bit of range as well.


We are getting a little OT, but Gary Oldman has played some crazy parts. Watch him in: Leon: The Professional, Bram Stokers Dracula, True Romance, Fifth Element, and you can see the evil, demented, off balanced roles he plays and plays well.
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Find me an actor with a better track record on crazy than Jack.


Gary Oldman. Who, as the Dark Night presumably shows, has a bit of range as well.


We are getting a little OT, but Gary Oldman has played some crazy parts. Watch him in: Leon: The Professional, Bram Stokers Dracula, True Romance, Fifth Element, and you can see the evil, demented, off balanced roles he plays and plays well.


How I know Gary Oldman is a great actor:
1.) Sid and Nancy
2.) True Romance
3.) JFK
4.) Bram Stoker's Dracula.
 
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And how could anyone forget Gary Oldman in "The Professional"?
 
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Thankfully both Mr. Burton and Mr. Nicholson had ample source material to work with thanks to the re-imagining of the classic Batman vs. Joker comic theme as worked to manic perfection in the Frank Miller graphic novels that came out just a few years before Tim Burton got to make Batman. Before that monumental event in comics history, the perception of the Joker character by most was just that of a nasty clown. Cesar Romero took the role so slightly that he didn't even bother to shave off his mustache before putting on the makeup. Thankfully he had a wonderfully manic laugh to fall back on.
 
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Except that Burton didn't read comic books.
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Carcagarbage wrote:
[B]ut you can't deny the man's got some talent:

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Mars Attacks


I deny that anyone listed anywhere in the credits of Mars Attacks! has any talent unless they show me some very compelling proof to make me think otherwise.
 
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tenhole wrote:
Carcagarbage wrote:
[B]ut you can't deny the man's got some talent:

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Mars Attacks


I deny that anyone listed anywhere in the credits of Mars Attacks! has any talent unless they show me some very compelling proof to make me think otherwise.


Think what you want. Mars Attacks is excellent. But then I really like many of Tim Burton films...
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tenhole wrote:
Carcagarbage wrote:
[B]ut you can't deny the man's got some talent:

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Mars Attacks


I deny that anyone listed anywhere in the credits of Mars Attacks! has any talent unless they show me some very compelling proof to make me think otherwise.


Jack Nicholson is IN "Mars Attacks!". You believe he has talent, right?
 
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Whereas Jack had a rich black pallet upon which to paint his Joker, Mr. Heath Ledger faced a shadow so ominous, far lesser actors wouldn't even dare to step into the light. "You're going to out-crazy Jack. Sure you are." But just as Mr. Nicholson moved past the icons of his day to redefine what makes a legend, Heath Ledger belonged to the new school of actors ready to transcend even the legendary status of Jack. "They are ready and willing to drink your milkshake. They drink it up!"
 
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Haven't read much as to how Ledger's portrayal of Joker evolved, but what I have read suggests that he wasn't influenced by anyone. The Joker we see is a product of his own fevered imagination, and bits he cribbed from animals and mental patients. I understand that they made him read "The Killing Joke" comic however?

Romero, If you become familiar with the man, probably just gave his own spin on the character as well. Pretty big ego in that one.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Haven't read much as to how Ledger's portrayal of Joker evolved, but what I have read suggests that he wasn't influenced by anyone. The Joker we see is a product of his own fevered imagination, and bits he cribbed from animals and mental patients. I understand that they made him read "The Killing Joke" comic however?

Romero, If you become familiar with the man, probably just gave his own spin on the character as well. Pretty big ego in that one.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


They gave him Killing Joke and Long Halloween... he said he tried to read Killing Joke, he just couldn't stop putting it down.

 
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They gave him Killing Joke and Long Halloween... he said he tried to read Killing Joke, he just couldn't stop putting it down.



That's disappointing, but I guess understandable. Seems like a lot of actors aren't particularly interested in their character outside of the actual script in their hands.

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As a decent if unknown stage actor, I can suggest something here. Unless you are specifically playing a person whom people can remember, whether still alive or through film or TV, it's better to NOT spend a lot of time determining what other people did with a character. It's better to make that character your own. If you don't do a good job, you didn't imagine the character well enough, you didn't spend enough time in your own head creating the backstory, creating the mannerisms, adapting the character to the world that he is intended to inhabit. If the Gotham that Dark Knight lived in was completely taken from some comic or some previously built city, then it behooved Ledger to find that Gotham and understand it. He didn't need someone else's idea of the Joker to work from. The Joker is a fictional character, so he had full freedom to build him as he thought best. Sometimes, that's harder that working off a real person! Sometimes, not.

I did a production of "On Golden Pond," as Norman Thayer, the Henry Fonda character, last fall, and the last thing I wanted to do was to see the movie or anything he did, to avoid copying his work. Especiallys since we both grew up in Nebraska, so it would have been too easy to imitate his voice. I got good reviews, so I feel justified in saying all this to you guys, who are probably wondering, "What the hell is this bozo saying?" and "Who let him in here?" Ah, well.

It sure sounds to me like Heath Ledger built a believable villain.
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Haven't read much as to how Ledger's portrayal of Joker evolved, but what I have read suggests that he wasn't influenced by anyone. The Joker we see is a product of his own fevered imagination, and bits he cribbed from animals and mental patients. I understand that they made him read "The Killing Joke" comic however?



I heard him say that the role was influenced by Sid VIscous, among others.

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JonJacob wrote:
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Haven't read much as to how Ledger's portrayal of Joker evolved, but what I have read suggests that he wasn't influenced by anyone. The Joker we see is a product of his own fevered imagination, and bits he cribbed from animals and mental patients. I understand that they made him read "The Killing Joke" comic however?



I heard him say that the role was influenced by Sid VIscous, among others.

- J


Ahh - That's right. I remember that now. Good choice on his part.
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At the showings I've seen (so far), the biggest initial reaction in the entire movie comes during the first major scene of the Joker, from now henceforth in history to be referred to as the "disappearing pencil scene". From that moment to his last screen appearance cackling upside down, Heath is there to let you know there is a new crazy in town. This isn't the crazy of Jack or any crazy heretofore seen on screen. This is even beyond Kubrick crazy. This is the new crazy - crazy in a good/bad/wildly entertaining way.
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The Disappearing Pencil was indeed magic.
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Everything I'd previously read before seeing the film touted the pencil scene as the focal point of Ledger's performance, and sure, he did admirably in a 10-second shtick that highlights the talents of the director and editors about twice as much as it does those of Ledger, which themselves are approximately one-third the talent required to envision that scene and commit it to paper (I'm really good at these sorts of comparative calculations, you'll just have to trust me.) That film is a tremendously collaborative effort is never more apparent than in snippets like the pencil thing.

Adopting speech patterns reminiscent of lunatics with horribly scarred cheeks is probably not the most difficult technical task an actor has ever had to perform, and while Ledger did it quite well, as well as such business as the hospital detonation, none of it rises (for me) to the level of mastery that I keep seeing attributed to the man. Good job, Heath, and well done, but Nicholson to my way of thinking was just as good, and--though this is not really germane--he managed to keep himself alive for MANY years after his excellent performance.
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Good job, Heath, and well done, but Nicholson to my way of thinking was just as good, and--though this is not really germane--he managed to keep himself alive for MANY years after his excellent performance.


That comment is rude and insensitive.

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Really? Does that have anything to do with his acting ability?

"Oops, he died early... it must mean that he's a hack."

All acting is collaborative and an actor that is able to collaborate and still have the performance work on an amazing level IS an amazing actor.

I've seen collaborated efforts that fail miserably; "Batman & Robin" for instance. Every componenet needs to work for a machine to work.
 
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Adopting speech patterns reminiscent of lunatics with horribly scarred cheeks is probably not the most difficult technical task an actor has ever had to perform, and while Ledger did it quite well, as well as such business as the hospital detonation, none of it rises (for me) to the level of mastery that I keep seeing attributed to the man.


Have to disagree with you on this one, Josh. Anyone else would played it as an overblown, scenery chewing, madman. That's something you can phone in. What made Ledger so freakin'(to me) memorable was that he underplayed the part. That was the brilliance of it, and why everyone is still talking about it. I will say that Nicholson's performance was also inspired, and I felt he should have gotten an Oscar nod as well.
 
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This is even beyond Kubrick crazy. This is the new crazy - crazy in a good/bad/wildly entertaining way.


I disagree. This "I kill because I can" villain archetype has been around for quite a while now. It's only been a little while since we've seen it done right (No Country for Old Men).

As I was watching Dark Knight I was thinking "Do we really need another of these type villains?" but by the end of the film I willing to accept the cliche maniac one more time.
 
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Ah, but is this new crazy a better crazy than Jack's Joker? No, it most certainly is not. Go ahead and re-watch the 1989 movie again. I did. Over time, some critics have been so short-sighted as to claim that Jack's Joker was nothing more than a means to deliver movie poster one-liners. Those are just the crescendos of the performance. Of course you're going to remember those! Watch the performance between all the immortal lines. Jack's Joker is only over the top as a means of release. As is stated in the movie, he really does have a head full of loose wires. But only when they spark does he deliver lines so brilliantly that they are both hilarious and pure evil.
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I liked Jack's Joker very much. Ledger also did a bang up job. I love them both because they're unique and distinct from each other. I think that a preference of one over the other is merely a matter of personal taste. I wouldn't say that one was better than the other. It's like two different musicians rendering their own interpretation of a piece of music. All of the essentials may be there, but there are stylistic and interpretational differences that are worth exploring and enjoying. We can love them both.
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I am so glad to finally hear someone bring up the point of different Gotham's and different Batman's and even different Jokers. I think Ledger did the best job he possibly could with my least favorite Joker available. I have never liked the "anarchist" Joker generally speaking. I loved the Killing Joke, but as much for the art as the story. Jack played the vain, killer clown, the Joker Ledger played was not really established yet in 1988-1989, with source material of The Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum and The Long Halloween. I say in this case the Joker was written much different than anything Jack had a shot at trying. I liked Jack's Joker much more, but I think Ledger gave the kind of performance that you certainly have to say was fantastic in the setting he was in, but as a huge Joker nerd I just don't feel the Joker Ledger had on paper was a good definative version.

I figure the next movie we get the Riddler, but he will be a bit more like Jigsaw from the Saw movies, and people will say it was the greatest Riddler ever.
 
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I have to say I preferred Heath Ledger's performance. I find that he went much further in his efforts to distance his character from himself.

What I mean by this is that although Jack Nicholson did a wonderful job in 'his' Batman, he was playing the same crazy Jack we knew from The Shining. He relied on that same Jack smile, that same dry Jack sarcasm and that same Jack charisma that we already loved - that could make even The Bucket List a forgivable slight.

Heath Ledger, on the other hand, conveyed the illusion of disappearing completely behind the character he was given to play. He was rendered unrecognizable by much more than the makeup he wore. The random way he moved and gestured, the wild abandon of his laughter and the sickening, haunting way he licked his lips throughout the entire movie made his performance shine brighter.
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Jack Nicholson as the Joker cut the thickest, saltiest ham of his entire career.

I hated it.

In fact I thought it was so clearly and obviously awful performance that I was genuinely astonished to discover, on reading some material about the new film, that most people thought his performance was very good and that he himself was angry he hadn't been asked to reprise it. It's badness was so totally gospel to me that I'm still not entirely sure these positive reactions aren't some sort of hoax.

I've not seen TDK yet, but I can't imagine Ledger could do much worse.
 
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That said, it really is hard to compare both Jokers as I feel each was appropriate for the film they were in. Both work well but if you swap Heath and Jack, neither would work. Each Joker was the perfect match for the version of Batman they fought in their respective versions of Gotham.


Very good point. Agreed.


Yes, very good point. I agree, as well.


I agree. My sister said the same thing.
 
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At the core of both performances of the Joker is of course anger. Heath's character was not given a backstory in the Dark Knight so we are left to deduce which if any of his facial scar stories he tells his victims might be real. I don't want to delve into psychoanalysis here, but I agree with Peter Traver's conjecture that Heath's Joker is all id. His Joker uses anger as a means not to deal with any conscience of consequence. His anger is his freedom - the hotter it burns, the freer he feels. Perhaps the deepest insight into this character is a brief scene without any dialogue at all. It is the scene showing the Joker careening wildly through the streets of Gotham in a police car with his head out the window completely lost in his delicious madness. He is an anarchist and he is an antichrist.
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What would be a background story to an anarchist anyway?

What is his future?
 
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I would disagree with this statement.

It is not anger that drives the Joker. It is sheer chaotic madness. He is a man without morals of any kind and is totally apathetic toward others. This is man without feeling or regret.

It is his love of chaos and the uncertainty in everyones mind that drives him. He push people past their limits and drives them into that barbarism that lives in all of us.

It is amazing what a man without morals can do.
 
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With Jack's Joker, the anger is grounded. As he succinctly states in the film while reading the latest exploits of his nemesis Batman "I have found a name for my pain." Jack's Joker is a brilliant underworld thug who finds this new crazy anger as a means to an end. His life has become a cruel joke and now everyone (especially Batman) must pay.
 
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The omission of the backstory for the Joker in Chris Nolan's Dark Knight inadvertently (or purposely?) serves to deepen the allure of Heath Ledger's Joker. Why is he so crazy? Why is he so angry? The only answer we are given is "Why so serious?" Back in 1989 big budget blockbusters were almost required to be rather formulaic in order to ensure maximum success. However as cinema and the very nature of film acting for maximum effect has evolved, so have the audience's expectations and tolerances. The Dark Knight is monumental for many reasons other than the performance of Heath Ledger - not least among these is a deeply insightful view into terrorism in a post 9/11 world. We all know why Jack's Joker was so crazy, so evil, and therefore so much fun. We all have to internalize our rationale for the enjoyment of Heath's Joker. Maybe we will never know and that makes it the most fun of all.
 
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We all have to internalize our rationale for the enjoyment of Heath's Joker. Maybe we will never know and that makes it the most fun of all.

I've yet to see TDK, but this does not bode well for my enjoyment of this film.
 
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The lack of backstory for the Joker was clearly intentional, and it's one of my biggest gripes with the film. Far too much screen time is devoted to ridiculous international expeditions, far too much to the genesis of Two-Face, and far too little to The Joker's rationale. Leaving the Joker alive for sequels and later exposition was probably a fine thing until Ledger OD'd. Now who's going to bust out of Arkham in a film or three from now?
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I'm a long time comic nerd, and in my experience the Joker doesn't really need a backstory. Giving him the Joe Chill position in the Burton Batman movie was a neat touch, but unnecessary.

The Joker doesn't need a motivation for what he does--he just acts, often without discernible rhyme or reason. It's what makes him so scary. And Batman doesn't need motivation for trying to stop him beyond the facts that someone has to and no one else can.
 
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I'm probably as long time a comics nerd as you. I'm 50, and have been reading Batman stories for at least 46 years. Of course the Joker doesn't need a back story--he has one. The Joe Chill stuff from the Burton film actually irritated me greatly. I, for one, did not need the cyclical device of having Joker be the one who killed the Waynes. Such liberties get taken all the time, however, and within the comics themselves origins and backstories are written in mercury-based ink on flash paper, so I've come to expect that sort of thing.

What bothered me so much in The Dark Knight was the throwaway quality to the mystery of the man. Where is the purpose in bringing up his absolute unidentifiability, and then never resolving it in any way. Just ignore it altogether. Hearing that Joker's clothing is custom-made without any labels is a challenge for the world's greatest detective...oh, hang on...that's the Batman, right? This guy can build a sonar array out of cell phones in fifteen minutes but he can't track down one ultimately hugely unique psychopath? I know, I know: It's not the focus the film wanted to take. That's fine, but it doesn't gibe at all with the capabilities of the character these films purport to depict. It's not all "here, Lucius, make me this crap" as far as I'm concerned. Batman is the most ingenious human being of all time, and he needs to be portrayed as such, not as a complete relier on Deus Ex Sonarina.

There's nothing inherently more stylish in Ra's Al Ghul's imbecilic plan to dump Scarecrow's toxins into the water supply than Joker's use of deadly cosmetic interactions. There is, however far more analysis required by Batman and complicated detective work in thwarting both of those plans than anything that showed up in Dark Knight. I want to see Batman SOLVE stuff, not just ask his R&D guy and his butler to facilitate stuff.

Oh yeah, my biggest gripe with the depiction of the Joker of them all: His absolutely brilliantly masterminded bank heist that succeeds down to the requisite timing of the bus crash is supposed to be accepted as the work of an agent of chaos who rants and raves against people with plans? Bzzzzzzt!!!!
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Oh yeah, my biggest gripe with the depiction of the Joker of them all: His absolutely brilliantly masterminded bank heist that succeeds down to the requisite timing of the bus crash is supposed to be accepted as the work of an agent of chaos who rants and raves against people with plans? Bzzzzzzt!!!!



Wait - you expected that Joker was telling the truth to Dent in that scene? You actually expected the Joker to be internally consistent in his own character and "reasoning"? Then you missed the point.

That's not the only thing that Joker engineers. He sets up the whole chase to get Dent, setting up a blockade to force them underground, setting up defenses against helicopters, etc. Think that's someone interested in chaos? Then to plan ahead to have Dent and Dawes taken to separate locations... while he's intentionally in jail...

The Joker does not state he's an "agent of chaos". He finds organized society, as it stands, to be a joke - one big sick joke. His intent is to expose the joke for what it is (at least to get everyone to see it his way) - not simply "cause random chaos and mayhem." His chaos and mayhem is all part of his own plan. And to expect that the Joker will suddenly become introspective and question his methods... well, that would be totally out of character for the Joker, no?
 
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This list presents an interesting debate, but I don't think its really fair to Jack Nicholson. Heath Ledger got a script about 1000x better to work with.

Don't get me wrong, I think Heath did an incredible job and I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win acting awards galore for TDK. I just don't think you can say that Heath > Jack based on these two performances because Heath's script was soooo much better.
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I just came from seeing the Dark Knight.Good movie but too long.Heath was great but so was Jack way back when.I'll call it a draw!
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I think Morgan Freeman fits this mold. He always plays the same character . . . the smartest freaking man in the whole movie. Full of sage wisdom.

I'll respect him as an actor when he convincingly plays a homeless drunk that finished 3rd grade and steals your kid's bicycle to pawn off for his next bottle of Mad Dog.


You need to see "Street Smart".
 
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Jack was better.
 
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Unfortunately, the character he played wasn't really the Joker, but instead a thoughtful, evil, and genius anarchist with a political agenda to reflect this. He had no real "joker" about him. Whether it was part of the script, or how they decided to portray the joker, this joker wasn't really the insane JOKER of the comics or anything else. He was a genius criminal with an agenda that had ever widget thought out.

Jack's Joker on the other hand had his hands full of irony, humor, and jokes...that were also meant to kill. He really was about...the JOKE. No political agenda, no anarchist political idealism...just get him the power to pull of the joke...and be crazy...because to him...everything including his life then was also a joke.

Hence Jack did a MUCH better job at portraying the JOKER, either by being true to the JOKER Itself, whilst Ledger showed tremendous acting, but portrayed a joker that wasn't so much a joker...but a political activist who went to far in showing their anarchist agenda.


My first thought when reading this comment was: He doesn't know the Joker. He only knows the BATMAN (1989) Joker. That's where his idea of the Joker comes from. That's why he thinks it's the perfect portrayal. It is how he measures all other interpretations. He's not measuring Jack's Joker against anything else except "Jack's Joker". It's who he grew up knowing as the Joker.

Read the first issue of Batman. The Joker is a thief out for revenge. That is "an agenda". That is "politics".

Read "The Further Adventures of The Joker". (a novel collection of short stories by various authors). It's not about the joke. It's about the horror, with a twisted sense of humor after it.

Read "the Killing Joke" (which ironically Ledger got bored of reading). The Joker is about revenge and depravity. (That is an agenda!)

Read "the Dark Knight Returns" (on which BATMAN[1989] is very loosely based). The Joker is all about fighting Batman and creating murder and mayhem. No jokes. Nothing about the joke. Except the joke that is played on Batman. He only uses a gun and a knife as personal weapons.

The Joker is called "The Clown Prince of Crime." Who's more of a leader of Crime? Jack's Joker or Heath's Joker?

I believe it's Heath's Joker.

Watching the Dark Knight was like watching a fictional character come to life for the first time, like when I first saw Keaton as Batman... Awesome.

Oh and BTW I've been a Batman fan since kindergarten. My first experiences with the Joker were as a kid watching reruns of the Batman 60's series, reruns of the Superfriends and Batman 1989 when it was first released on HBO. I saw it with my Dad. I was 8.
 
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