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When I was a kid I read superhero comic books. I wasn't an avid reader and I know some folks collected them but I didn't collect them, I just read them for what they were. Entertainment. My favorites were the Fantastic Four, The Flash and Ironman. As an adult I still like the idea of the classic superheros. While I gave up reading the comic books themselves when I became a teen I do still enjoy the superhero movies. I don't know if it brings me back to my childhood days or what. I just like them.

This summer has been a boon for those who like the classic superheros and of course superhero movies. There's been 3 this year with Ironman and Batman being monster hits and the Incredible Hulk also doing quite well. So seeing as I am not the only one who likes superhero movies I thought it would be kind of cool to take a look at some of the great films of the genre, some of the bad and some of the future films coming down the pike.

Since superhero movies tend to go in a series I am not going to do an entry for each Christopher Reeves Superman film for example. However I will do separate entires for the new Christian Bale Batman film from the previous series started with Michael Keaton.
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1. Board Game: UNO - Superman [Average Rating:5.79 Unranked]
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 Superman (1978)

Sequels:
Superman II (1980)
Superman III (1983)
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (1987)

Hero:
Christopher Reeve as Superman

Main Villains:
Gene Hackman as Lex Luthor
Terence Stamp as General Zod

Probably the first big budget superhero film. Directed by Richard Donner, the first and second films were filmed simultaneous until they started to basically run out of money. At that point principle photography on the second film stopped and all attention focused on completing the first film. After the first film was released the second film was completed but with the Producers firing Richard Donner and hiring Richard Lester to complete the film.

This film is a true classic and for many Christopher Reeve was and will always be Superman. His performance as the Man of Steel was great but it was his performance at Clark Kent that truly sold the whole package. Gene Hackman was a great villain. Unfortunately after the first two films the series took a downward turn resulting in the goofy Superman III with Richard Pryor and the downright horrid Superman IV Quest for Peace.

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Just to let you know, it's Christopher Reeve.
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Richard Pryor wasn't the goofiest thing about Superman III! Wasn't that the one where the robot accountant fought superman?
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Superman II goes not my list of great sequel films (a small list to be sure). Kneel before Zod!
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We had a fellow in our cw reenactment group with the last name Kent, I thought it would have been funny if they had named their son Clark.
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Mention should be made of Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut. It's an interesting alternate take on Superman II. Don't watch it expecting it to be a big improvement over the original though.
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 Superman Returns (2006)

Hero:
Brandon Routh as Superman

Main Villains:
Kevin Spacey as Lex Luther

This film is sort of a sequel to the Christopher Reeves Superman II. Mind you it's likely a good idea that we forget that Superman III and IV ever happened.

The plot itself is kind of funky with the is he or isn't he the father of Lous Lane's son. Kevin Spacey does a great job as Lex Luther as does Brandon Routh filling the shoes of the late great Christopher Reeves. In theory a sequel is in the works with director Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh set to return but so far nothing concrete is in motion.
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I thought Spacey was terrible as Luthor. He wasn't doing his own interpretation of the character but was instead just mimicking Hackman. I would have much rather seen Spacey do his own version.

The movie also did not have enough destruction as I would expect from a Superman movie.
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Bad:the scene of the thug playing the piano, the Gene Hackman impersonation, the lazy plot and the scene of Lois Lane discovering Luthor's wigs.

Good: some of the effects (not all of them).

I found this one a terrible movie and one of the few recent superhero movies that made me want to leave the theater in the middle of the whole thing.:yuk:
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Hated this movie.

Singer did a great job turning Superman into a creepy stalker.
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A bad movie with wooden acting and a thinly veiled messiah plotline. This was a real letdown.

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This movie was horrid. I don't understand why it is so hard to make a good Superman film.
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 Spiderman (2002)

Sequels:
Spiderman 2 (2004)
Spiderman 3 (2007)
Spiderman 4 (2011)

Hero:
Tobey Maguire as Spiderman

Villains:
Willem Dafoe as The Green Goblin
Alfred Molina as Doctor Octopus (Doc Ock)

A real first class recreation of the comic book series. Tobey Maguire was spot on for the role of Peter Parker and Willem Dafoe was just fantastic as The Green Goblin. Both sequels have lived up to the original film as well. The first film actually held the record for best domestic opening weekend for a film until it was dethroned this past weekend by Batman.

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Not to mention Venom and the Sandman as villains!
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The problem with SM3 is that Raimi is a classic Spidey villains fan...Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman. Marvel asked Raimi to include Venom, who is popular in the comics. Thus, Venom is shoehorned in by a director that doesn't even like the character.
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If they had taken the musical numbers and venom out of spiderman 3 it would have been a decent movie. Part 4 is rumored to have a new person in the roll of spiderman, the casting going around is a much much younger spiderman. Talking teenage spiderman. Which would mean a reboot of the series.
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If they had taken the musical numbers and venom out of spiderman 3 it would have been a decent movie. Part 4 is rumored to have a new person in the roll of spiderman, the casting going around is a much much younger spiderman. Talking teenage spiderman. Which would mean a reboot of the series.


Which will mean it will probably suck (but probably not as bad as the 3rd movie).
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Spiderman 2 was a thing of beauty. Spiderman 3 made my head hurt. Spiderman 3 was so bad it could have been Superman 3 or 4 and it would have sucked about the same. the first two seemed to have a lot of passion behind the films while the third just seemed to be a lets see how many bad guys we can slam into one film kind of movie.
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 The Hulk (2003)

Sequels:
The Incredible Hulk (2008)

Heros:
Eric Bana as Bruce Banner (2003)
Edward Norton as Bruce Banner (2008)

Main Villains:
Tim Roth as Emil Blonsky

The first Hulk film in 2003 was considered a great disappointment by many fans and in the end it did rather lackluster at the box office. Undaunted the studio folks went back to the drawing board and hired Zak Penn who wrote the screenplays for two of the X-Men films and the first Fantastic Four movie to pen a new Hulk script. The result was a much better received and financially successful Hulk film. Penn is also slated to write the scripts for the upcoming Avengers film as well as Captain America.

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2008 Hulk is not a sequel but a re-do, right? I didn't see the new one yet.
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I've always thought that the Ang Lee (2003 w/ Eric Bana) version was hugely underrated, which is not really surprising considering that it was marketed in a way completely at odds with the directors vision.

I recommend anyone who hasn't seen this and can deal with movies without non stop action to check this out.
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I've always thought that the Ang Lee (2003 w/ Eric Bana) version was hugely underrated, which is not really surprising considering that it was marketed in a way completely at odds with the directors vision.

I recommend anyone who hasn't seen this and can deal with movies without non stop action to check this out.



I don't think that the problem with the film is lack of action. I could live with a more cerebral, angst filled movie, but the 2003 Hulk is not that either. The plot is basic comic book fare with bad pacing and technical problems. Some of the Ang Lee's ideas are interesting, but they are totally out of place in that kind of script.

For a more serious tone, Hulk would have to struggle with dilemmas more close related to the real life and not gamma irradiated dogs!!

But the thing is watchable. I think it is much better than Superman Returns.
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I love Ang Lee's Hulk. I think it is quite faithful to the comic book character, as far as I can estimate. Many comic books have deliberate pacing, and not non-stop action. Many of the most-loved comic book characters are interesting because of their private lives and the conflicts that cross-over to their secret lives, which takes character development and plotting.

Anyway, I think the 2003 Hulk is faithful to that.
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I was so bored with the first film. I won't say that its not faithful to some aspects of the character, but not hte major aspects. The new movie has great action and a good story. It's a more balanced work and fits quite nicely for the third best comic book movie of the summer
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 Batman (1989)

Sequels:
Batman Returns (1992)
Batman Forever (1995)
Batman & Robin (1997)

Hero:
Michael Keaton as Batman (1989/1992)
Val Kilmer as Batman (1995)
George Clooney as Batman (1997)
Chris O'Donnell as Robin
Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl

Villains:
Jack Nicholson as Joker
Danny Devito as Penguin
Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman
Jim Carrey as The Riddler
Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy
Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze

The first Batman series separate from the current one starring Christian Bale (or at least imho is). The series started off great with Michael Keaton turning in a fantastic performance as Batman (still the best I think). Jack Nicholson's Joker was one of the best performances of his long and impressive career. The second film was good even with Danny Devito's rather over the top portrayal of the Penguin. After that it went down hill with the final film featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger in perhaps the worst performance in any superhero film (I know Arnold fans are going to roast me for saying that).

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As cool as Nicholson was, I still wish to this day that the main focus had been on Batman/Bruce Wayne. Too bad that The Joker had to be given most of the screen time to justify Jack's paycheck.
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Give me Batman: The Animated Series and its movie-length extended episodes (esp Batman and Mr. Freeze: Subzero) over any of the live-action movies any day -- including the recent ones!
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I think the visual style and Jack Nicholson surprised everyone in the first movie. Michael Keaton was a poor choice for Bruce Wayne, but we learned to ignore him with so much going on.

The sequels kind of repeated themselves with poorer scripts. However, the villains sometimes provided casual fun. My favorite is Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman.
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With Batman Begins they finally found an actor in Christian Bale who could pull off Bruce Wayne. Anyone can look cool in a batsuit (Keaton, Clooney) but it was Bruce Wayne the playboy billionaire that they never got right. Until now.

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The problem with Jack Nicholson is that he is Jack Nicholson in every movie, Batman included. From a movie point of view i found him entertaining but that franchise started off on the wrong foot, having a batman that acted very much not like batman would (batman killing the joker is what the joker in the comics wants).
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 Batman Begins (2005)

Sequels:
The Dark Knight (2008)

Hero:
Christian Bale as Batman

Villains:
Liam Neeson as Henri Ducard
Heath Ledger as The Joker

Opening last weekend the second film in this series set the record for the top domestic opening weekend beating out the previous record holder Spiderman I. Liam Neeson was a good villain in the first film but Heath Ledger's performance as Joker in the sequel is legendary. I think Christopher Nolan makes a good Batman but I'm still a fan of Michael Keaton in the role. Will be interesting to see what the future holds for this series and whoever is cast as the next villain will have huge shoes to fill.
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Christian Bale as Batman, you mean. ;)
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After Batman Forever and Batman & Robin (seriously, what the fuck?), I lost faith in the Batman franchise all together. Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale reaffirmed my faith, but it wasn't the two of them alone that made the difference. If not for Frank Miller's Batman: Year One, this movie never would have had the brilliant story that carried the movie.
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After Batman Forever and Batman & Robin (seriously, what the fuck?), I lost faith in the Batman franchise all together. Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale reaffirmed my faith, but it wasn't the two of them alone that made the difference. If not for Frank Miller's Batman: Year One, this movie never would have had the brilliant story that carried the movie.


But I think that's the secret of the success. Spider Man and the X-men also take a lot from the comics - that's the whole point of making a comic-inspired movie. Sin City is, in my opinion, one of the best comics to movie adaptations and it is almost literal - the dialogs are straight from the pages.

The sequel also borrows heavily from the Batman Comics. I found the dialogs between the Batman and the Joker very reminiscent of Alan Moore's The Killing Joke.

Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman also help a lot. And Ledger is brilliant as the new Joker (much better than Nicholson).

Christian Bale is also very good, but I sometimes found very funny that voice he does as Batman.

I would be scared if I bumped into Bale in a dark alley. Michael Keaton would only scare me if he appeared dressed as Bettlejuice:D
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After Batman Forever and Batman & Robin (seriously, what the fuck?), I lost faith in the Batman franchise all together. Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale reaffirmed my faith, but it wasn't the two of them alone that made the difference. If not for Frank Miller's Batman: Year One, this movie never would have had the brilliant story that carried the movie.


But I think that's the secret of the success. Spider Man and the X-men also take a lot from the comics - that's the whole point of making a comic-inspired movie. Sin City is, in my opinion, one of the best comics to movie adaptations and it is almost literal - the dialogs are straight from the pages.

The sequel also borrows heavily from the Batman Comics. I found the dialogs between the Batman and the Joker very reminiscent of Alan Moore's The Killing Joke.

Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman also help a lot. And Ledger is brilliant as the new Joker (much better than Nicholson).

Christian Bale is also very good, but I sometimes found very funny that voice he does as Batman.

I would be scared if I bumped into Bale in a dark alley. Michael Keaton would only scare me if he appeared dressed as Bettlejuice:D
I was eerily reminded of the killing joke, so much that certain lines just creeped me out.
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Finally saw it last night, and while being an excellent movie, Iron Man was still better. What made the movie for me was the amazing performance of Heath Ledger. What blew me away about his performance was that, in spite of playing a psychotic homicidal maniac, he underplayed his performance. Not that it'll make a difference at Oscar time.

Oh and William Fichtner was cool, too.
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Hero:
Ioan Gruffudd as Mr Fantastic
Jessica Alba as Invisible Girl
Chris Evans as Human Torch
Michael Chiklis as The Thing

Villains:
Julian McMahon as Doctor Doom
Laurence Fishburne as voice of The Silver Surfer

While not the knock out hits of Spiderman and alike the films aren't bad and Julian McMahon does a nice job as Doctor Doom. Still the films are a touch on the campy side and not a ton of depth to the stories.

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Okay, I get the campy feel of these movies but McMahon was absolutely god awful as Doom. I can't think of a worse possible role for him in this movie.
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I caught about ten minutes of this on cable the other night. The cheese and camp was so extreme that I could hardly bear it for even that short amount of time. I can't imagine sitting through two hours of that dreck. Was the sequel any better?
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Jessica Alba. Normally, I could stare at her for hours without complaint.


I agree that if you look up the term "drop-dead gorgeous" in a dictionary there will probably a photo of hers... ;)


Have you seen her in Sin City? :p
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4: Rise of the Silver Surfer was ruined for me by the ridiculous co-incidences and the geographical shrinking of the world.

For example: the massive holes in the Earth are supposed to be appearing according to some pre-set geometric pattern. So one just happens to appear in the River Thames in the centre of London. What's the chance of that happening? Instead of it appearing in some suburb like Orpington? Or even half-in and half-out of the Thames.

In one shot they're at the Great Wall in rural China. In the next they're in a major oriental city. So they flew 1000 miles in 15 seconds?? Yeah, right.


More like the makers of this film made a list of all the well-known locations in the world and then strung them together with some poor editing.

Yet another example of childish film-making from Hollywood.
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Jessica Alba. Normally, I could stare at her for hours without complaint.


I agree that if you look up the term "drop-dead gorgeous" in a dictionary there will probably a photo of hers... ;)


Have you seen her in Sin City? :p
Jessica's just horribly micast for this movie and she does "action" acting about as good as a wooden spoon. I know my audience werent the only ones who laughed everytime she attempted to use her power. Looks like she's passing kidney stones.
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 X-Men (2000)

Sequels:
X2 (2003)
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (movie prequel 2009)
X-Men Origins: Magneto (prequel concentrating on the early lives of Charles Xavier and Magneto 2010)

Heros:
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine
Patrick Stewart as Professor Charles Xavier
Famke Janssen as Jean Grey aka The Phoenix
James Marsden as Cyclops
Halle Berry as Storm
Anna Paquin as Rogue

Villain:
Ian McKellen as Magneto
Rebecca Romijn as Mystique

Different than most other superhero movies with there being so many different people running around with superhero powers. Hugh Jackman does a great job in what is basically a starring role even with the huge cast. The third film didn't quite live up to the first two but it was hardly a bad film.

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Good, but not great films. Its hard to feel too connected to any of the characters in these films. That said, Patrick Stewart and Ian McClellan was probably the most inspired bit of casting that we've had in superhero films (until Heath Ledger as the joker?).
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Good, but not great films. Its hard to feel too connected to any of the characters in these films. That said, Patrick Stewart and Ian McClellan was probably the most inspired bit of casting that we've had in superhero films (until Heath Ledger as the joker?).



Agreed... it almost seems as if the writers came up with those roles as the anchors, with those actors specifically in mind, and then developed everything else around that.
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My favorite thing about these movies was tying the bits and pieces of the characters and their origins back to the comic books I remembered from junior high school. But the stories seemed overly complicated and hard to follow (though, yes, I will admit that's partially because I accidentally watched the movies out of order; I-III-II is not a very logical progression). McKellan did a great job of capturing the "Bad guy or good guy?" character complexity of Magneto, but crimony, he's an Oscar-winning actor; if he HADN'T I would have been surprised.

EDIT: Also, Kelsey Grammar as The Beast was better on paper than in actuality.
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Good, but not great films. Its hard to feel too connected to any of the characters in these films. That said, Patrick Stewart and Ian McClellan was probably the most inspired bit of casting that we've had in superhero films (until Heath Ledger as the joker?).


Ian McCellan's Magneto is the best comic book movie villain I've ever seen. Never have I felt so inspired to join the bad guys side then when Magneto talks to Pyro in X2.

"What's your real name?"

"Uh, Pyro"

"Your a god amongst ants... never forget that."

Man if I was an X-man it would be so hard not to follow this guy. Charisma just oozing out of him in every way.

And I still think that X2 is the standard for comic book movies (not remakes like Sin City where they just storyboard the comic... actually NEW stories from comic characters).

Magneto - Perfect
Professor X - Perfect
Wolverine - perfect
Mystique - perfect

Hell even cyclops they nailed. The only shitty character was Storm, Halle Berry (sp?) cannot play a comic book hero.

The opening scene with Nightcrawler and Magneto's prison escape... Amazing scenes easily as good as the "Pencil Trick" everyone's raving about now.

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When I saw the last film in the theater, I was literally screaming and yelling at the screen because it was so bad.

Whoever was responsible for this trash should hang their head in shame.
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This and spiderman should have stopped at 2. A horrible sequal that was horrible because the actors, primarily halle berry, got big heads. (btw halle berry acts much like jessica alba)
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 Ironman (2008)

Sequels:
Ironman 2 (2010)
The Avengers (2011)

Hero:
Robery Downey Jr as Ironman
Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury

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Jeff Bridges as Iron Monger

The hit of the 2008 summer movie season...at least it was until Dark Knight came along. Robert Downey Jr puts in perhaps the best performance as the main superhero since Christopher Reeves as Superman years ago. The film will have a sequel of course but also a third film involving The Avengers with Samuel L. Jackson (if you didn't stay through the credits of Ironman you missed Samuel L. Jackson's scene) as Nick Fury.



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Could the two best Superhero films of all time come out in the same year? It certainly seems like it. Downey, as many have commented, made the movie.


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I thought BGG already had one:



He'd have to be played by Andy Dick.
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Iron Man will always top The Dark Knight for me purely for its ability to tell a story coherently and compellingly throughout its entirety.
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This movie was amazing. I have no geeky fanboy complaints about this film. I sat down in the theater and the smile started and did not stop for the rest of the film...... both times........several times on video..... It was just that good.
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Colin Farrell as Bullseye

Ok, not as bad as a lot of people say but not a good film either. They did manage to squeeze a sequel out of it for Jennifer Gardener that made about $1.99 at the box office.
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I am not sure what's so bad about this film. And yet, its bad.
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The two villains are done quite well. I love Michael Clarke Duncan's Kingpin, and Farrel's Bullseye was much better then I expected. this movie fails in a couple of ways for me.

1/ Daredevil beats Kingpin in fisticuffs... this should never happen.
2/ Ben Affleck was a very bad casting choice, maybe Garner could have pulled it off, but it would take some work (I always pictured her as having an accent, vaguely European kind of Cosmopolitan accent like many travelers have).
3/ Elektra never gets to be evil and work for the kingpin, a huge injustice to the story.
4/ Ben Affleck was a bad casting choice. Did I mention this one already?
5/ The fetish costume (although I may hate Batman's costume even more!... in the new movie I mean)
6/ That awfull, awfull scene where Daredevil sees Elektra in the rain.

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2/ Ben Affleck was a very bad casting choice, maybe Garner could have pulled it off, but it would take some work (I always pictured her as having an accent, vaguely European kind of Cosmopolitan accent like many travelers have).
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4/ Ben Affleck was a bad casting choice. Did I mention this one already?


I think Weird Al put it best:

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Aw, do I even need a reason?
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Verkisto wrote:
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2/ Ben Affleck was a very bad casting choice, maybe Garner could have pulled it off, but it would take some work (I always pictured her as having an accent, vaguely European kind of Cosmopolitan accent like many travelers have).
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4/ Ben Affleck was a bad casting choice. Did I mention this one already?


I think Weird Al put it best:

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Aw, do I even need a reason?


On the other hand, I thought he was robbed of an Oscar nomination for Hollywoodland. He was easily the best part of that movie. And if he can't make it as an actor, he can fall back on his directing chops. Gone Daddy Gone was one of the best pictures of the year. But that's me. ;)
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I also thought he was great in Hollywoodland. What a shame he has such a string of dreck preceding it, of which Daredevil is a prime sample.
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Sharon Stone as Laurel Hedare

When Halle Berry was named Hasty Puddings's Woman of the year in 2006 they made her write on a blackboard 10 times "I will not make Catwoman 2...I will not make Catwoman 2". She won a Razzie Award for her performance and actually showed up to accept the award!
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Watch it on mute and its not so bad.
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I caught the last twenty minutes of this one on cable a few months back. If there were a way to use steel wool in my brain to scour out that memory, I WOULD DO IT.
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Haven't seen this one or read the comic book for that matter so I'll leave it for someone else to fill us in on this box office flop.
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Poor Dolph Lundgren gets no love... :(

The Punisher (1989)

Not a bad movie, but very much a product of its time and a vehicle for its laconic Scandinavian star.
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It was a GOOD movie. It was well written, and well acted. It isn't getting the love here that it deserves.

Of course, I was a Thomas Jane fan since The Deep Blue Sea.
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I do like Thomas Jane. However, Ray Stevenson was brilliant as Titus Pullo in Rome! I'm really looking forward to seeing him in this role.
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Hal wrote:
It was a GOOD movie. It was well written, and well acted. It isn't getting the love here that it deserves.

Of course, I was a Thomas Jane fan since The Deep Blue Sea.


My favorite Thomas Jane role is Mickey Mantle in 61*. He was pretty good in The Mist, too.
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Ok, not a great film but worth watching if for no other reason than Nicolas Cage.
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Nick Cage being in a movie is not reason enough to see it. He does way too much complete crap to justify that.
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To my great shame, I really liked this movie. Cage was awful. The Ghost Rider skell effect was pretty bad. But a hellhorse-ridin' Sam Elliot made up for all that.



Sam Elliot makes any movie better. He was sorely missed as "Thunderbolt" Ross in the Norton Hulk reboot, the only bit of casting I felt was a serious downgrade.
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The whole long lost love intrest part of the story was ultra cheesy.
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I enjoyed this one, and had almost no trouble sitting through it without losing the grin I walked into the theater wearing, as I anticipated how much it would stink. Much better than I'd dreamed it would be.
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CapAp wrote:
To my great shame, I really liked this movie. Cage was awful. The Ghost Rider skell effect was pretty bad. But a hellhorse-ridin' Sam Elliot made up for all that.


I would have enjoyed the movie more if, everytime Sam Elliot showed up, the background music was "Tumblin' Tumbleweeds". ;)
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Sylvester Stallone as Judge Dredd

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Hardly a cinematic masterpiece but fun. Rob Schneider is actually funny as Dredd's sidekick.


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I kinda liked this, and was never a fan of the comic book.
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It really is terrible.

Armand Assante and Sly Stallone as clones? They barely look alike.

I love this movie. I don't know why.
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Still in early pre-production with no one cast yet in the lead. Avi Arad who produced Ironman, this year's Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four and the X-Men films is producing.
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No director or star yet (It does have a write in Zak Penn again of course) but it does have a release date already. This one hits the big screen on May 6th 2011. Get your tickets now.

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Like the Punisher above, Cap Am has also ventured onto the big screen before. Although this one was somewhat worse that the Punisher one.

Captain America - 1990
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From the rumor mill: the bulk of the new Cap movie takes place in World War II and has our hero bumping heads with the Red Skull. Cap ends up encased in a block of ice beneath the Atlantic Ocean; at least until the end-credit kicker - a setup for "The Avengers" later that year.

Too perfect for words? I think so.
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I'm a little concerned at how the studios are trying to pull together all of the pre-Avenger movies together in preparation for The Avengers. Superhero movies have a history of being uneven, and that they're all being helmed by different directors is worrisome to me. Guillermo del Toro's vision of a superhero movie is far, far different from Jon Favreau's*, and I wonder if that will create any issues when they finally get around to doing The Avengers.

Also, are all the scripts for all these movies finalized? I'd hate to have a bunch of stuff change between now and 2011, and then see the director of The Avengers have to pull a George Lucas and retrofit a bunch of things that don't make any sense anymore.




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Oh YEAH! When and where do I get my tickets?
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I'm with you Isaac. It's a long shot to hope for, but the picture just seems to get rosier the older I get. Maybe I'm losing focus, or maybe my taste changes the further I get away from my comic book years, but I feel like Marvel has caught the balance of creative control and mass appeal that they need. I'm excited about most of the scripts I've heard about (Ant-Man definitely excluded).
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How could you possibly not be excited about an Ant-Man script? There is NO Avenger more delightfully inane, with more absolute horseshit in his history to pull from, than Ant-Man/Giant-Man/Goliath/Yellow Jacket/Ad Nauseum. That's a script I'm totally eager to see. How his fellow Avengers put up with his histrionics makes for a wealth of tragicomic opportunity. Oh, nobody gives me more hope for The Avengers movie than Hank Pym.
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Set to start shooting next year no actors as yet signed but Edgar Wright who directed Shaun of the Dead is slated to direct.
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What the fuck? Ant-Man? DC has a ton of comic book characters to choose from, and they go with ANT-MAN? Jeezum crow, why not just make a movie about Matter Eater Lad?
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What the fuck? Ant-Man? DC has a ton of comic book characters to choose from, and they go with ANT-MAN?


Because Edgar Wright is known for his comedy films, not for his serious dramatic films. Does he even have any?

I heard they were going to have all three Ant-Men, so if that includes the current guy... well, then, this movie could be pretty funny.
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I think they're doing Ant-Man because he was one of the old-school Avengers before they started rotating membership all the time. What with Iron Man, Thor, Cap, Ant Man fits right in. Not saying I'm happy he gets his own movie first, though. The Giant Man years MIGHT be ok with me, but really, it's not like they have to make a movie about EVERY member of the Avengers first. I don't see why they can't just put him in the Avengers movie and introduce him that way.
The good thing is that Marvel has its own studio and has bene rumored to have peppered contracts that will make it easieer to form a "universe" for the big screen.
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Well now I'm confused. CapAp, you seem like you are a Hank Pym enthusiast in this entry. What were you grousing about up in the previous one about the script?
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The ANT-MAN part. Seriously. They've got 9 different eras to pull from, including 'master scientist' and 'towering behemoth', and they're going to go with 'makes a helmet that lets him control bugs'?
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Mired in development hell at Warner Bros for several years. Joss Whedon was announced as the director last year and then silence ensued. Rumors have put a number of actresses in the title role including Charisma Carpenter from Buffy the Vampire Slayer who has openly campaigned to get the role. Don't expect this one to be coming soon very soon.

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Joss Whedon. ;)
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Joss Whedon. ;)
He's no longer involved with the project :(
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I have a feeling nobody is involved with this at the moment.
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Apparently Sandra Bullock was a front-runner at one point. Although I like her, I wasn't sure how that would work.

To date, Linda Carter is the WW template. And Ms. Carter has some pretty big...shoes for Ms. Bullock to fill.

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Another Warner Bros. development hell special. Said to be coming out in 2010 and then silence was all that was heard.
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a lot of potential here if they hire the right director and actors...
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a lot of potential here if they hire the right director and actors...



Been thinking that too. And the series has the advantage that you can intentionally have several different actors play Green Lantern in sequels...
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I'd like to see a green lantern corp movie but a standalone Hal Jordan movie I'm afraid they'd just blow it with a drawn out origin story. A Kilowog standalone movie. Now that has some potential.
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I hear they keep having issues casting Hal. They have turned down several actors in their early and mid 30's due to them being to old to play Hal. How long has Hal had grey hair? Kind of scares me a little
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In development hell for a few years now with no signs of that changing.
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"Please never be made... please never be made..."

I cannot see this movie being good at all, even as a campy over the top summer film.
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I used to watch it and I remember it being fun. Mark Hamill played a villian in some of the eppisodes.
Yeah I read that on imdb. Mark Hamill as Trickster. I gotta pick up the dvd's of the one and only season.

Also, there were a couple episodes of Smallville with Bart/Impulse that really rocked. They brought him back after a solo episode (season 4 episode 5) to have a sort of young Justice League (Season 6 episode 11). Those are probably my two favorite episodes.
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The Flash TV series was pretty good, with the obligatory Danny Elfman theme (and a damn good one at that):
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I loved this show as a kid growing up. I wish they'd done more seasons.
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This was a very good show. Hell, I was an adult when it aired, and my folks liked it and told ME about it. Too bad nobody else thought so at the time.

A Flash movie has every opportunity to be as good as any other superhero movie, if acted, written, and assembled correctly. There's nothing inherently hard to do or uninteresting about Flash-style heroics...they're cool!
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Another future release said to be set for 2010 but as yet no director or cast.
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Johnny Depp as Stephen Strange = I pay Marvel money.
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Jonny Depp? Really? I guess he has the weird factor going for him from every other role he's played, but I don't know about the "ultimate worldy knowledge/mysteries of the universe/wise beyond recognition thing."
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Johnny Depp as Stephen Strange = I pay Marvel money.


Agreed, but more importantly, who's going to play Clea? :p (I'm thinking Charlize Theron.)
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Not like I based that on antything, I just pulled it out of my ass.

But come on. Picture him with that little Vandyke beard, saying "by the hoary hosts of Hoggoth!"
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 Ultimate Avengers 1 and 2 were animated movies but worth of an entry. Cap fights Nazi Aliens and Hulk smashes.

Ultimate Avengers (2006)
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I heard rumors of a live action Avengers but I think they want to get Cap and Thor refreshed first.
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 V for Vendetta.

This is one movie made from a comic nobody even mentioned in the comments, and I feel it DEFINITELY belongs on this list. I thought this film was just spectacular.
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Martin Sheen as Jason Wynn

This movie was an uninspring drab echo of the animated series that was running on HBO around that same time. However, this film marks the resurgence of John Leguizamo's career, carrying him away from his Luigi role in 1993's Super Mario Bros. Leguizamo's playful disturbing performance as the demonic imp-clown is still the most memorable aspect of this film. (Remind you of anybody?)
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Hellboy 1 & 2 and the upcoming Watchmen movie (Can't wait! The trailer is out now and looks fantastic!) should count as well.
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Here's a pair of good Superhero movies not based on an original comic book.


The Incredibles
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317705
The great Pixar movie directed by Brad Bird has to be mentioned.

The Specials
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A fun low-budget comedy about a team of C-list superheros and the mundane problems they face away from the fighting.
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Agreed. The Crow is a fantastic movie and always makes me sad that the potential of Brandon Lee (who was previously in some forgettable action films) shows through so much yet we were never able to see more.
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jedigoalie wrote:
Agreed. The Crow is a fantastic movie and always makes me sad that the potential of Brandon Lee (who was previously in some forgettable action films) shows through so much yet we were never able to see more.


I guess Brandon Lee's potential greatness was eclipsed by his actual stupidity.
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MisterCranky wrote:


I guess Brandon Lee's potential greatness was eclipsed by his actual stupidity.


Wait a minute.

His death was accidental due to the film crew's negligence.
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